Discontinued The Grasshopper

[Snappo]

I think we should always extend gratitude, respect, and patient indulgences to our generous forum reviewers, regardless of whether we fully understand or agree with their findings, personal means of expression, or tangents which to them may seem relevant to the matter at hand or are merely offered as an aside that they wish to share.

 

[pakalolo]

That said any questions about the actual experiment? No on is interested in why the Ti strips terpenes faster? I mean I don't know why, I'm no scientist, just a simple country lobbyist but if someone is a scientist, curious to your thoughts!

If you want to explore this topic it has to be about how the Ti GH is different from the SS GH. It it's just Ti vs SS, you need a new thread in Vaporization Discussion.

 

[Jazzah]

I own a shitload of vaporizers(50+) and can say there are a couple of vapes that are pure pieces of crap that'll get me near as high as my best with the same amount of herb, so just the fact that you get a good buzz from the GH means Nothing to me at all.



This has nothing to do with the GH but i gotta ask what do you mean by using a vape with a tiny bowl like the Pax 2 for vaping a spliff ? What's a "spliff" mean to you ? Serious question, I'm not trying to sound like a prick. Just I don't understand this statement about vaping a spliff.

I believe he said that by "spliff" he means a mix of ganja and tobacco.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Also for all the persistent non believers, hasn't anyone notice how every post I write about the GH is clearly written by someone who is extremely high? Typos everywhere, rambling "narrative" random tangents, whole paragraphs about nothing

I just read them with a "Jerry Seinfeld) voice.

 

[nopartofme]

Wondering for the guys with both a SS & Titanium in there in hands , if they could possibly just try placing the titanium MP on there SS and see if there is a difference when it comes to heat and being cooler ? I was thinking maybe down the line the GH team will offer just the tips alone and if that may help for us SS buyer's with cooling.

This has a high potential of damaging your threading. Here's some info from the Cera thread, regarding mixing SS cartridges with a Ti body or vice versa:

The TI and SS will expand and contract differently with the heat, this could be a problem on the threading.

It will. Also, since the SS is much harder it's going to win out over the Ti. Eventually this will lead to 'galling' where the metals adhere to each other so well that pieces will be ripped out. Once it starts it rapidly runs downhill if not corrected. This often happens with SS in friction situations (like jammed threads) where there isn't enough lube (and we use none.....).

You can also get strange chemical reactions at the junction, but I don't think this is an issue here since both SS (once oxidized as it all is) and Ti are pretty inert. This is a problem with more reactive stuff like Aluminum, Zinc and so on.

It will work, but it can be expected to fail over time.

OF

 

[slcbdco]

I believe he said that by "spliff" he means a mix of ganja and tobacco.

Correct, also @Shit Snacks One could pack it any size you want a full pack could last all day, maybe a half pack could last all day, you can have almost no vapor or huge clouds, the world is your oyster with the GH.

That said, and again I realize probably there is no way for anyone who doesn't have one to understand this because I don't know of any other vape that I've used that I would say this about, I just don't understand why you would want to put in more than you were planning on consuming right then.

Here are the reasons why I think someone "might" want to use it that way.

They literally can have cannabis concealed on there person in a GH but for some "reason" probably having to do with not living in Colorado for some reason so first of all remember all of my comments come from the perspective of someone who does not care about discretion, has no reason to care about discretion or efficiency for that matter. I am a cannabis industry lobbyist that lives in Boulder, Colorado, DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!

That tangent over my precise anecdotal evidence tells me that these might be the reasons fro packing more than you plan on consuming within the next 10-30 seconds (something I never do with any other vape and never thought about using a vape this way until the GH made it clear that this is not only a TRES SEIS!!! STRAIGHT TREAT YO' SELF, SOMEONE LESS HIGH THAN ME PLEASE INSERT THAT RON PAUL GIF HERE!!!! way to use a vape ... it is also the way I find the vape performs best. Its not to say that none of the things folks have complained about (heat etc.) are not problems, it is to say that if you use the unit the way it seems to be designed or at least likes to be used, none of those issues ever come up. So here is why I think you might want to pack more than you plan on consuming right that minute (literally) and to be clear, like all of my posts if you haven't noticed, this list is full of scientifically accurate sarcasm, I am after all a simple country lobbyist I fo' sho' have precise equipment for sarcasm, if you don't agree that my list is both hysterical and informative then you're just wrong cus ya know, science!


Reasons to pack your GH full of dope for no particular reason:

1. You hate this strain and you want to get rid of it.
2. You HATE that first rip taste
3. You LOVE that day old begone dull care 17th hit vape taste and you want to marry it
4. You HAVE 10 seconds to get high but for some reason, your old vape that took half a minute just to warm up notwithstanding, you don't have the additional 3 seconds it would take to throw in a pinch of fresh cannabis and treat yo self
5. You somehow CAN carry around a vape pen loaded full of dope but for whatever reason CANNOT carry around some small, like WAY WAY WAY less than a gram of your Tres Seis pre-grinded weed to get you through your day.
6. Your fingers break out in hives every time you touch cannabis so you would like to reduce the amount of times you get hives a day to 1.
7. You actually do have crazy tolerance and actually do plan on consuming that entire bowl in the next minute, in which case can you please post an instructional video. As a representative of the industry I think its important that in the face of threats to sales like a device that can get you wrecked on a pinch for what it would take an entire pax temp step session, we definitely need to figure out a way to get peoples tolerances WAAAY higher.


There might be more reasons and if I think of them I'll add them. Like I've been saying the GH experience just might not be for you, but apply the logic of other vapes is not going to be useful in understanding this vape because its a different experience. Better or worse? You'll decide, for me I'm glad that I have this new method of vaping, its more natural and I wouldn't want a pax2 for getting high, I would want it for vaping spliffs instead of smoking spliffs, and in a group setting people who like tobacco tend to also like combustion and there is no vape in the world that can replace the visceral experience of some Tres Seis dope twisted up with some nice tobacco one my balcony with a cold home brew.

Is the GH an "everything" device? No, its not supposed to be, what it is my absolute favorite connoisseur product. Unless I specifically want something else (a bong rip, a spliff etc.) the grasshopper is my default device, its faster by far for one thing. Particularly if you start the clock at a "good hit" the GH is WAAY faster than the Firefly even which requires pre-heating etc.

I would like to compare it to a crafty, if anyone is in Boulder has a crafty and wants to hang out. Its the only vapor experience that I can imagine coming close the the GH because of convection and no need for technique like the FF. Not to mention I'm curious to see if the cooling makes a difference because the GH vapor doesn't offended me ... the comments on this thread are often harsher than the GH hehe.

Anyway now that I've forgotten what I was talking about, off to my next Grasshopper Inspired Misadventure!


Also about my new avatar, YES that is a stock photo and YES that is actually me in said stock photo, I'm ahem canna famous ... ;-)

 

[peaceonearth]

@slcbdco Just want to thank you 'cuz I've been thoroughly enjoying your merry posts. Not only are they informative and entertaining, but just the act of reading them gets me high!
Only problem for me is, whereas before I was just passionately and obsessively pining for my blue Ti hopper , now I've become rabid!

 

[Kalessin]

2. You HATE that first rip taste
3. You LOVE that day old begone dull care 17th hit vape taste and you want to marry it

I can't actually taste vapor at all, so the vaped taste factor of the bud doesn't bother me, and the fresh flavor holds no incentive for me, so I probably will load more than pinches fairly often

 

[nopartofme]

I'd like to note here (with zero disrespect intended toward the folks taking their time to share their experiences with the GH) that any time you hear someone claim that a new vaporizer of theirs is more efficient than their others, you should take that information with a grain of salt.

The reason is that tolerance is a funny thing and actually has a strong environmental and habitual component. The way it works is that your brain comes to associate routines and settings with an impending rush of chemicals and actually reacts in anticipation prior to the administration of the dose, diminishing the associated effects. An extreme example of this is that heroin users are at risk of overdose if shooting up in a novel situation, even if they use exactly the same dose as they usually do.

New vape; new routine; "new high".

I'm not saying that the GH isn't "efficient", just that you can't know much about that based solely on early experience reports.

Here's an article about one study regarding this effect. Quote:

"If the same amount of a drug is administered in one context and later in another different and distinct context, then the effects of the drug are different," Cepeda-Benito says. "The drug has a much greater effect in a novel context rather than in a context that is associated with the administered drug."

IMO this is why "this new vape gets me ripped on so little" is a fairly common thing to hear around here.

 

[zymos]

Ohhh...you live in Colorado. How come you never mentioned that before....?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Correct, also @Shit Snacks One could pack it any size you want a full pack could last all day, maybe a half pack could last all day, you can have almost no vapor or huge clouds, the world is your oyster with the GH.

That said, and again I realize probably there is no way for anyone who doesn't have one to understand this because I don't know of any other vape that I've used that I would say this about, I just don't understand why you would want to put in more than you were planning on consuming right then.

Here are the reasons why I think someone "might" want to use it that way.

They literally can have cannabis concealed on there person in a GH but for some "reason" probably having to do with not living in Colorado for some reason so first of all remember all of my comments come from the perspective of someone who does not care about discretion, has no reason to care about discretion or efficiency for that matter. I am a cannabis industry lobbyist that lives in Boulder, Colorado, DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!

That tangent over my precise anecdotal evidence tells me that these might be the reasons fro packing more than you plan on consuming within the next 10-30 seconds (something I never do with any other vape and never thought about using a vape this way until the GH made it clear that this is not only a TRES SEIS!!! STRAIGHT TREAT YO' SELF, SOMEONE LESS HIGH THAN ME PLEASE INSERT THAT RON PAUL GIF HERE!!!! way to use a vape ... it is also the way I find the vape performs best. Its not to say that none of the things folks have complained about (heat etc.) are not problems, it is to say that if you use the unit the way it seems to be designed or at least likes to be used, none of those issues ever come up. So here is why I think you might want to pack more than you plan on consuming right that minute (literally) and to be clear, like all of my posts if you haven't noticed, this list is full of scientifically accurate sarcasm, I am after all a simple country lobbyist I fo' sho' have precise equipment for sarcasm, if you don't agree that my list is both hysterical and informative then you're just wrong cus ya know, science!


Reasons to pack your GH full of dope for no particular reason:

1. You hate this strain and you want to get rid of it.
2. You HATE that first rip taste
3. You LOVE that day old begone dull care 17th hit vape taste and you want to marry it
4. You HAVE 10 seconds to get high but for some reason, your old vape that took half a minute just to warm up notwithstanding, you don't have the additional 3 seconds it would take to throw in a pinch of fresh cannabis and treat yo self
5. You somehow CAN carry around a vape pen loaded full of dope but for whatever reason CANNOT carry around some small, like WAY WAY WAY less than a gram of your Tres Seis pre-grinded weed to get you through your day.
6. Your fingers break out in hives every time you touch cannabis so you would like to reduce the amount of times you get hives a day to 1.
7. You actually do have crazy tolerance and actually do plan on consuming that entire bowl in the next minute, in which case can you please post an instructional video. As a representative of the industry I think its important that in the face of threats to sales like a device that can get you wrecked on a pinch for what it would take an entire pax temp step session, we definitely need to figure out a way to get peoples tolerances WAAAY higher.


There might be more reasons and if I think of them I'll add them. Like I've been saying the GH experience just might not be for you, but apply the logic of other vapes is not going to be useful in understanding this vape because its a different experience. Better or worse? You'll decide, for me I'm glad that I have this new method of vaping, its more natural and I wouldn't want a pax2 for getting high, I would want it for vaping spliffs instead of smoking spliffs, and in a group setting people who like tobacco tend to also like combustion and there is no vape in the world that can replace the visceral experience of some Tres Seis dope twisted up with some nice tobacco one my balcony with a cold home brew.

Is the GH an "everything" device? No, its not supposed to be, what it is my absolute favorite connoisseur product. Unless I specifically want something else (a bong rip, a spliff etc.) the grasshopper is my default device, its faster by far for one thing. Particularly if you start the clock at a "good hit" the GH is WAAY faster than the Firefly even which requires pre-heating etc.

I would like to compare it to a crafty, if anyone is in Boulder has a crafty and wants to hang out. Its the only vapor experience that I can imagine coming close the the GH because of convection and no need for technique like the FF. Not to mention I'm curious to see if the cooling makes a difference because the GH vapor doesn't offended me ... the comments on this thread are often harsher than the GH hehe.

Anyway now that I've forgotten what I was talking about, off to my next Grasshopper Inspired Misadventure!


Also about my new avatar, YES that is a stock photo and YES that is actually me in said stock photo, I'm ahem canna famous ... ;-)

Haha thanks brother! True I am thinking of how I used to do that with my Indica and ofcourse its session conduction, I don't use my Elevape or Firefly that way much

The Elevape can work with a pinch but the temp control isn't so simple so can be tricky to get exactly where you wanna be, I get best results with a half to 3/4 full pack kept at low temp. The flavor on the first few puffs is literally mouthwatering and the clouds and effects more than satisfying.

I expect very similar performance from the GH, only streamlined with precise temp control, no stirring, even less load size restriction apparently, and replaceable batteries. Like the next gen Thermovape many of us have been clamoring for

Interesting about Firefly, some people do have more trouble with it, I never need preheat but it has other limitations like no temp settings at all, size/heft and lack of stealth, doesn't work well with small loads unless a screen keeps em down, and stirring still required like Elevape. It sure is a fun vape with great starting flavors, and when done right the hits are very heavy.

However I look forward to the Hopper, as it streamlines the best of these vapes with the stealth sexiness of a Pax2 or Indica, to bring the powerful convection technology to the masses with zero technique required and a very reasonable retail price!

 

[slcbdco]

I'd like to note here (with zero disrespect intended to the folks taking their time to share their experiences with the GH) that any time you hear someone claim that a new vaporizer of theirs is more efficient than their others, you should take that information with plenty of salt.

The reason is that tolerance is a funny thing and actually has a strong environmental and habitual component. The way it works is that your brain comes to associate routines and settings with an impending rush of chemicals and actually reacts in anticipation prior to the administration of the dose, diminishing the associated effects. An extreme example of this is that heroin users are at risk of serious overdose if shooting up in a novel situation, even if they use exactly the same dose as they usually do.

New vape; new routine; "new high".

Here's an article about one study regarding this effect. Quote:


IMO this is why "this new vape gets me ripped on so little" is a fairly common thing to hear around here.

It just occurred to me that this could be seen as a physical component of VAS.

I agree and I know what you're talking about and controlling for that effect, (I had it with the pax, pax2, Firefly, everything I've ever tried so I know and believe that is a thing), this GH gets you RUHL HIGH, believe the hype, you don't have to, but I recommend it, As I stated in an earlier post, I've been putting less and less in as time goes on because I want to enjoy playing with the device and enjoying the flavor, particularly at low temps but the problem is being kinda too high.

I also suspect that is in part due to the increased flavor. Again, NOT A SCIENTIST JUST A SIMPLE COUNTRY LOBBYIST, but some scientist that do know what they are talking about think that Indica/Sativa apart from telling you some nominal information about visual traits tells you almost nothing about how the plant would make you feel, and that strain "science" is even a little "junky" which makes sense right? Let's say I had two Tangerine Haze plants, one grown indoors hydroponically in a factory in Colorado and another grown in the dirt outside in Kentucky, they might express radically different cannabinoids flavonoids and terpenes, so even if you know a clean genetic lineage you may have totally different results.

What you always know however when you have the plant is the precise terpene, cannabinoid and flavinoid profile if the plant you have in front of you.

So the theory which I'm sure i'm going to botch is that the cannabinoid profile (percentage and relationship to each other) is what it is and will deliver a precise and predictable effect because thats just a chemical reaction in your body. Thats why marinol "feels" weird because you're getting the THC without the enoutrage effect OR the terpenes. So the theory is that the cannabinoid profile will cause the effect it will, it is the terpenes and flavinoids that moderate the effect, like for example limonine makes you feel uplifted, (notice that "sativas" tend to also be citrusy?). From a self titration perspective thats why some say follow your nose, because the terpenes are telling you something.

Nevada actually requires testing for terpenes in their regulated market, Colorado doesn't yet but we do require a full cannabinoid spectrum, not just THC and CBD but the whole gamut. It'll be interesting to see how the science develops now that its out of the closet and its not that Sativa/Indica is noticing something, its just that something might be the relationship between terpenes and cannabiniods instead of the size of fan leaves and sugar leaves.

Right before I hit reply I wanted to remember what I was talking about, so yeah I am higher than I normally and from most vapes, I've had it for a week now, and I've notice I vape fewer times a day and stay higher longer and use less each time than I was this time last week, again with 100% anecdotal certainty this vape gets me higher per unit of cannabis than any other I've used, and again, go back and look at those ABV pics comparing a GH bowl to a pax2, its not like its even close to the same amount and like I said, I can't believe I used to use that much. I am not conservative with weed ya'll be sure, I did not think I cared about efficiency but it is the MOST impressive thing about this device and again, I didn't think I would care about it, with other devices I am happy to tap about bowls when the flavor is gone and I'm happy to have a long session, I live in Colorado there is no famine and I am in no rush, that said, this vape just gets you

RUHL HIGH (scientific term)

 

[snamuh]

Thanks for the post @slcbdco !!!
Skipped most of the pages after your initial post...

Reading the post and looking at the pinch of ABC (size, and color) kinda helps prove your opinion of the efficiency of the gh.

Can't wait for my blue ti. finally low doses with ease!

 

[slcbdco]

I agree and I know what you're talking about and controlling for that effect, (I had it with the pax, pax2, Firefly, everything I've ever tried so I know and believe that is a thing), this GH gets you RUHL HIGH, believe the hype, you don't have to, but I recommend it, As I stated in an earlier post, I've been putting less and less in as time goes on because I want to enjoy playing with the device and enjoying the flavor, particularly at low temps but the problem is being kinda too high.

I also suspect that is in part due to the increased flavor. Again, NOT A SCIENTIST JUST A SIMPLE COUNTRY LOBBYIST, but some scientist that do know what they are talking about think that Indica/Sativa apart from telling you some nominal information about visual traits tells you almost nothing about how the plant would make you feel, and that strain "science" is even a little "junky" which makes sense right? Let's say I had two Tangerine Haze plants, one grown indoors hydroponically in a factory in Colorado and another grown in the dirt outside in Kentucky, they might express radically different cannabinoids flavonoids and terpenes, so even if you know a clean genetic lineage you may have totally different results.

What you always know however when you have the plant is the precise terpene, cannabinoid and flavinoid profile if the plant you have in front of you.

So the theory which I'm sure i'm going to botch is that the cannabinoid profile (percentage and relationship to each other) is what it is and will deliver a precise and predictable effect because thats just a chemical reaction in your body. Thats why marinol "feels" weird because you're getting the THC without the enoutrage effect OR the terpenes. So the theory is that the cannabinoid profile will cause the effect it will, it is the terpenes and flavinoids that moderate the effect, like for example limonine makes you feel uplifted, (notice that "sativas" tend to also be citrusy?). From a self titration perspective thats why some say follow your nose, because the terpenes are telling you something.

Nevada actually requires testing for terpenes in their regulated market, Colorado doesn't yet but we do require a full cannabinoid spectrum, not just THC and CBD but the whole gamut. It'll be interesting to see how the science develops now that its out of the closet and its not that Sativa/Indica is noticing something, its just that something might be the relationship between terpenes and cannabiniods instead of the size of fan leaves and sugar leaves.

Right before I hit reply I wanted to remember what I was talking about, so yeah I am higher than I normally and from most vapes, I've had it for a week now, and I've notice I vape fewer times a day and stay higher longer and use less each time than I was this time last week, again with 100% anecdotal certainty this vape gets me higher per unit of cannabis than any other I've used, and again, go back and look at those ABV pics comparing a GH bowl to a pax2, its not like its even close to the same amount and like I said, I can't believe I used to use that much. I am not conservative with weed ya'll be sure, I did not think I cared about efficiency but it is the MOST impressive thing about this device and again, I didn't think I would care about it, with other devices I am happy to tap about bowls when the flavor is gone and I'm happy to have a long session, I live in Colorado there is no famine and I am in no rush, that said, this vape just gets you

RUHL HIGH (scientific term)

Also @zymos don't know if that was a joke cus I just broke my sarcasm machine, actually about to go get it fixed right now but pretty sure I ONLY mention I live in Colorado and right under my profile it says in bright orange Boulder, Colorado. To be fair its usually in some snide snobby remark about someone talking about something that isn't a problem unless for some reason you don't live in Colorado. Discretion? Who Cares? Efficiency? Is there a famine? Let them eat Crawfish! (here's the reference, its awesome #LetThemEatCrawfish http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/341...na-smoke-your-crayfish-let-us-smoke-our-weed/

Reclaiming my time, Living here, in the sovereign state of Colorado, I support the right of Grasshopper labs to continue producing innovative products!

So I do think one should fault GH for anticipating problems that aren't "real things" in Colorado like, not being able to carry dope around for example, or someone said something about not wanting to have huge clouds plooming because they're allows to smoke dope or something weird, I didn't really understand it, it sounded like some kind of "cultural" thing, I don't want to be insensitive but you people who don't live in Colorado believe in some strange shit yo!

also @Shit Snacks forgot to say, yeah when I can get the Firefly working right and I'm fairly good at it, its AWESOME. I call it the Saab, its awesome when its running! Where as the GH is like a BMW, as ergonomic as the Saab? no but at least its running!

 

[Madcap79]

 

[marduk]

@slcbdco did you find the temp tick marks harder to see on the blue Ti?

 

[slcbdco]

@slcbdco did you find the temp tick marks harder to see on the blue Ti?

I was just thinking how even though at first I didn't like the two tone design, the tick marks are actually easier to see on the color than the SS because of the contrast

 

[zymos]

Personally, I haven't paid for weed in a decade, but I can guarantee that EVEN IN THE HOLY LAND OF COLORADO, there are people who do and have to stretch their dollars to afford it, and so are concerned with efficiency.

 

[snamuh]

Dreaming out loud....

I want to see some GH optimized glass. A travel piece and home piece. Still holding back on a dhgate pnwt and d020.

(cheap, because I'm now in debt.)

 

[JiggyJack]

I don't see the point in a stale begone dull care hit in an hour when. can just finish the pinch, dump it out and have a nice clean GH for a fresh green pinch in an hour.

In the interest of science I have a Tootsie Pop question for you. Would you be willing to pack your hopper with, for example, 4 or 5 of your normal pinches (or maybe whatever might equal an average day's usage) and then use it as you normally would throughout the day just without refilling it? I would be very interested to know at what point the flavor goes. Does it last through several uses, is it gone by the second? Yes, I am a lazy, reason #4 bastard.

Also about my new avatar, YES that is a stock photo and YES that is actually me in said stock photo, I'm ahem canna famous ... ;-)

Love your blonde hair and thanks for all your feedback so far.

 

[slcbdco]

Personally, I haven't paid for weed in a decade, but I can guarantee that EVEN IN THE HOLY LAND OF COLORADO, there are people who do and have to stretch their dollars to afford it, and so are concerned with efficiency.

Precisely my point! I am over emphasizing how much I don't care about efficiency #LetThemEatCrawfish because I know that people do. Again maybe need to read through my sarcasm and being sooper ripped but my whole point is that I don't care about efficiency, don't need or want it, I care A LOT about flavor, this is the best tasting vape I've used by FAR except for the FireFly and only when its running and only on like the first two hits, and yet STILL the efficiency is SO impressive that not even caring about it I can recognize it as one of the vapes best and most important features.

Put another way the way i've been telling people that care about session style their just wrong and don't get the point? I would say the same to a flavor junky like me who was going around saying get the GH, its best feature is the flavor ... no STOOPID the flavor is awesome but you clearly missed the point, the best feature is the efficiency? Don't care about that? Great, neither do I!

It's still the best feature though and if you do care about efficiency a. you're gonna learn to care about flavor as soon as you taste this thing and b. unlike someone who REALLY wants a session vape where I would say get a GH for when you wanna get high and get a separate session vape, I recommend the pax2, the GH is DEFINITELY the vape for the cheap bastard, I mean efficiency minded consumer. Particularly since the efficiency also comes with more fresh hits! Just pinch your day away!

also @JiggyJack Tried that already, like I said you can session it if you want its still better than a pax and perhaps you will still want to after you try the GH, its just that I highly doubt it. I did not plan on changing anything when I got the GH I changed immediately because it suits the device better. Like any tool, it comes to you but you must also come to it to use it correctly. Is the flavor at the end of an all day long pack in a GH better than a pax2?

Sure but who cares, why suffer, trust me nobody is that lazy, folks may be SERIOUSLY OVERESTIMATING the loading and unloading of this. I can't be any clearer than drop in a pinch, take way more hits than you need to be high and the unscrew the cap and allow said to fall out. I understand you may not believe me because I don't know of any device easier to load and unload except literally a oil pen cartridge.

At this point I'm usually more upset myself when I over pack it than anything else because it seems wasteful, I don't care about wasn't product but I care a lot about wasting flavor and I just think gee, I could had half that amount and twice the freshies with zero additional effort, what a waste.

@zymos I don't know how to make you understand so I'll say this with no sarcasm and bore the shit out of everyone for your convenience.

I am not insensitive to the economic conditions of others. Without writing an essay suffice to say I do not come from means nor am I wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, I just happen to work for the industry and therefore since access to quality cannabis is not a concern for me, recognizing that it is a very real concern for a variety of reason for folks including location and economic status I wanted to use my particular and specific good fortune as a tool to highlight for those who do care about that particular attribute of the device, which in my opinion is perhaps its strongest attribute, regardless my assumption that I would concern myself with it. Thats why I ended by saying for cheap bastards err I mean efficiency minded consumers this should be there go to vape.

You might very well still think I' an insufferable bastard, I do however want to clarify the rhetorical tool for those for whom that was the only source of offense lest they no longer feel offended from explanation.

 

[zymos]

Flavor >>> efficiency to me too. But I know there are a LOT of people on this site who are really concerned about efficiency, and I'm not going to put them down if that's their priority.

 

[snamuh]

I am a light user without good access and tight on cash, but still alot of the time I do pretty much what @slcbdco does to an extent. I often dump after flavors gone, then save the abv. When I'm out of fresh I go back to abv. Sometimes even making a third cycle.

Or fresh in the day abv at night.

 

[Snappo]

Precisely my point! I am over emphasizing how much I don't care about efficiency #LetThemEatCrawfish because I know that people do. Again maybe need to read through my sarcasm and being sooper ripped but my whole point is that I don't care about efficiency, don't need or want it, I care A LOT about flavor, this is the best tasting vape I've used by FAR except for the FireFly and only when its running and only on like the first two hits, and yet STILL the efficiency is SO impressive that not even caring about it I can recognize it as one of the vapes best and most important features.

Put another way the way i've been telling people that care about session style their just wrong and don't get the point? I would say the same to a flavor junky like me who was going around saying get the GH, its best feature is the flavor ... no STOOPID the flavor is awesome but you clearly missed the point, the best feature is the efficiency? Don't care about that? Great, neither do I!

It's still the best feature though and if you do care about efficiency a. you're gonna learn to care about flavor as soon as you taste this thing and b. unlike someone who REALLY wants a session vape where I would say get a GH for when you wanna get high and get a separate session vape, I recommend the pax2, the GH is DEFINITELY the vape for the cheap bastard, I mean efficiency minded consumer. Particularly since the efficiency also comes with more fresh hits! Just pinch your day away!

also @JiggyJack Tried that already, like I said you can session it if you want its still better than a pax and perhaps you will still want to after you try the GH, its just that I highly doubt it. I did not plan on changing anything when I got the GH I changed immediately because it suits the device better. Like any tool, it comes to you but you must also come to it to use it correctly. Is the flavor at the end of an all day long pack in a GH better than a pax2?

Sure but who cares, why suffer, trust me nobody is that lazy, folks may be SERIOUSLY OVERESTIMATING the loading and unloading of this. I can't be any clearer than drop in a pinch, take way more hits than you need to be high and the unscrew the cap and allow said to fall out. I understand you may not believe me because I don't know of any device easier to load and unload except literally a oil pen cartridge.

At this point I'm usually more upset myself when I over pack it than anything else because it seems wasteful, I don't care about wasn't product but I care a lot about wasting flavor and I just think gee, I could had half that amount and twice the freshies with zero additional effort, what a waste.

Excellent flavor from the GH may be due to the consistent extraction and short vapor path from oven to mouthpiece and immediate concentration of flavors drawn directly onto the tongue & palette. Pairing with a water tool may yield a much milder flavor profile, yet could be subjectively more flavorful than other convection vapes, IME.

 

[Just Justin]

If you want to explore this topic it has to be about how the Ti GH is different from the SS GH. It it's just Ti vs SS, you need a new thread in Vaporization Discussion.

Slcbdco,

I'm pretty sure the Titanium and SS have the exact same chamber, inside and out so the taste should be the same.....The only difference is the actual body tube and the mouthpiece tube are either ss or Titanium so I don't see how an outside tube can really affect the taste. You can see in your photo where the Titanium ends, the parts that are not anodized.

The main difference in the Titanium version; lighter, better scratch resistance and more durable as well as better thermal properties. The air and vapor path are nearly identical except for the tiny bit of titanium where the air intake holes are and a tiny, tiny little piece in the very tip of the mouthpiece, the rest of the mouthpiece is a made up of two different pieces for shielding the heat which is the exact same in both models.