Madcap79
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Give him a break. He ain't no high falutin' scientist!
Discontinued The Grasshopper
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nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
Interesting, so are the threads on both the mouthpiece and body of the Ti GH made of SS? In that case, my post about Ti/SS Ceras doesn't apply and GH bodies/mouthpieces could be freely mixed and matched.
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It's maybe a placebo effect that its different and nothing to do with the metal casing. After all some folk have grown beards waiting for this to happen. I reckon a few may even get a little Hopper hard on every time the postman arrives.
zymos
Well-Known Member
In the few seconds it takes the GH to heat up and deliver a hit, it seems like any difference in the subjective experience between SS and Ti should be minor. Over a longer period of time, maybe that difference could,become more pronounced due to the different properties of the metals.
Even so, that assumes the temperature calibration is uniform between individual units.
At least, that's the take that I, a simple country space chicken, have on it...
Even so, that assumes the temperature calibration is uniform between individual units.
At least, that's the take that I, a simple country space chicken, have on it...
shadymilkman
Well-Known Member
Check the abv (all things being equal, temp control, and organics involved being two variables).. there is a clear difference in efficiency (differing thermal properties of fe/c vs ti) which would lend credibility to the perception (taste being subjective) of a difference in taste. Although placebo cannot be ruled out, there's evidence that it may not be the case.
zymos
Well-Known Member
But really, all things are not literally equal. I know I keep saying this, but we have no idea of individual differences between any two GH, whatever metal they are made of. Some people have preproduction ones, some people have early models, some people have refurbished ones. And again, how accurate is the temp calibration between units?
I believe the heat transfer is different between SS and Ti, and that the mouthpiece may get hotter with one. I'm convinced the GH rocks- but I'm just not convinced about making greater assumptions about specifics of performance between the different metals.
I believe the heat transfer is different between SS and Ti, and that the mouthpiece may get hotter with one. I'm convinced the GH rocks- but I'm just not convinced about making greater assumptions about specifics of performance between the different metals.
Wzfbaby7
Well-Known Member
Buzz has had more time with both his SS and Ti Grasshoppers so he'd be the best candidate to chime into this debate whenever he feels comfortable enough or has time to assess the differences. It could be as simple as a longer draw on the Ti causing darker AVB for all we know. I hope they don't push back shipping lol, many of you guys seem close to the edge.
zymos
Well-Known Member
If you set the dial to say 3, and that consistently equals X degrees, but one loses heat faster than the other due to the properties of different metals, then of course there could be a difference in taste or ABV color, depending on the heat regulation and how it keeps up.
Whether those differences would be noticeable, I don't know, but it's within the realm of possibility.
Whether those differences would be noticeable, I don't know, but it's within the realm of possibility.
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
@Just Justin
All I know is that I noticed a difference in taste between the two units, I noticed a difference in duration of peak terpene flavor (the Ti had more complex flavor but the SS flavor lasted longer) which when I examined the ABV after confirmed my thesis because with the same amount of product, temps, number and duration of hits (anecdotally of course) the ABV from the Ti was noticeably darker as I would have expected from the input data of the taste of the vapor. They have different thermal properties necessarily otherwise they would feel the same temperature.
If I had to offer a hypothesis, I would say since the amount of time it takes to get to operating temperature is faster, the Ti probably gives faster, vaporization which would explain how I would describe the flavor as more "complex" as you are getting more of the terpenes faster and is consistent with the Ti vaping more thoroughly within the same period. FYI both bowls could have been vaped a fair bit more probably and I did smoke that bowl so there were for sure both terpenes and cannabiniods left in it.
So that is to say if you want longer sessions (you don't but you don't know that yet) the you would prefer the SS even though its hotter because it vapes slower than the Ti and as a result of vaping slower is necessarily releasing terpenes longer.
But again, simple country lobbyist and my absolutely precise anecdotes, NOT a scientist, a nerd yes, but not a scientist, I know we look so much alike ...
All I know is that I noticed a difference in taste between the two units, I noticed a difference in duration of peak terpene flavor (the Ti had more complex flavor but the SS flavor lasted longer) which when I examined the ABV after confirmed my thesis because with the same amount of product, temps, number and duration of hits (anecdotally of course) the ABV from the Ti was noticeably darker as I would have expected from the input data of the taste of the vapor. They have different thermal properties necessarily otherwise they would feel the same temperature.
If I had to offer a hypothesis, I would say since the amount of time it takes to get to operating temperature is faster, the Ti probably gives faster, vaporization which would explain how I would describe the flavor as more "complex" as you are getting more of the terpenes faster and is consistent with the Ti vaping more thoroughly within the same period. FYI both bowls could have been vaped a fair bit more probably and I did smoke that bowl so there were for sure both terpenes and cannabiniods left in it.
So that is to say if you want longer sessions (you don't but you don't know that yet) the you would prefer the SS even though its hotter because it vapes slower than the Ti and as a result of vaping slower is necessarily releasing terpenes longer.
But again, simple country lobbyist and my absolutely precise anecdotes, NOT a scientist, a nerd yes, but not a scientist, I know we look so much alike ...
vapebuddy13
Your resident Super Hero
except he has a pre-production SS and a V.9 TI so its really not the best comparison no matter the length of use as there is a difference which I believe includes the software which deals with the heater
Ti or SS it all sounds good to me. Although I could see me making another longer MP just in case it took my fancy to kill a bowl full or two sharpish.
zymos
Well-Known Member
Which one did you hit first?
Do you think if you tried the same thing tomorrow, but hit the other one first, it might make a difference in your perceptions?
vapebuddy13
Your resident Super Hero
was thinking that exact thing, had something typed out too, but figured id think about the wording more b4 I did
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
Certainly not trying to stir the pot, as I have found the enthusiasm/reviews super helpful and fun... But you do certainly mention that you live in CO a... lot... which is funny.
Don't get me wrong either, lived here myself since birth, and wouldn't leave with or without the legal weed.
But, I'm just a simple lettuce farmer. Pay me no mind!
<---- This guy for one.
fft
Well-Known Member
Yes and even better would be attachments that use the gH threading. Not sure how hard it is to match that precise threading, though.
hippogriff
Well-Known Member
Should be super easy to read, ask, or measure for thread size, and get whatever you want machined to fit for a reasonable cost. No idea if I'll dislike the actual temps of the unit, still love the idea of a longer wood or glass stem. Does anyone have an existing mouthpiece they love?
inuhuion
Well-Known Member
You need to do a double blind study, or at least a blind one. Have someone else blindfold you then give you either ss or ti, so you don't know which.
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
I tried the SS first for the record and always proceeded in that order.
The taste difference was NOT subtle however neither was the difference in taste drop off. The titanium was begone dull care a solid few hits before the SS got stale, both were still producing vapor at the end and probably could've given more hits still but you know, let them eat crawfish? Amirte?
That said since I did hit the SS first, even if you would attribute the dull taste in the Ti after to my taste buds being exhausted, then I shouldn't have noticed the taste when I went back to the SS and again the differnce was not subtle. To make an analogy (a subjective one so results may vary) by the time the Ti tasted like a pax, the SS still tasted like a crafty but the Ti started out tasting like a Firefly.
That said if you think you will likely, or your vape style is already along the lines of my pinch method and you have the option I would recommend the Ti, just tap out the begone dull care and treat yo self to some Tres Seis freshies ...
Then you to can speak in only cliche and sound bite
#protip
The condition of one's taste buds and nasal passage odor receptors play a predominant role in perception of flavor and smell. This can vary from minute to minute, snack to snack, meal to meal, day to day, physical/medical condition, medications taken, person to person, taste bud overload, etc. If you can find a way to bring your taste buds and sense of odor to a neutral state, e.g., clearing/cleansing the palette with a Saltene cracker and a swig of cold soda water perhaps, then possibly a more subjective-objective assessment of herb flavor can be achieved. I, for one, find relatively little value in the taste impressions of others, as my physiology and daily habits are unique only to me, as are yours. When I read critiques and reviews of liquor, tobacco, food, cologne, herb, etc., I take them all into consideration with a grain of a grain of a grain of salt, and then I ultimately decide for myself, finding most of the time that my impressions differed greatly from the majority of reviews .
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durwood dank
Member
Agree.
The ti shells do have a lower conductivity rating than the ss shells- a third less. So they should conduct less heat over the same time period assuming they are the same thickness.
Durwood Dank
Just Justin
Well-Known Member
Just wondering if there really is a differance, as I thought they were the same. I would like to know this too and what's causing it.....Give him a break. He ain't no high falutin' scientist!
I don't know for sure. Maybe Buzz can clear this up?
I'm not doubting you, I am just curious. I have an SS and I plan to get a titanium too, especially if it offers better flavor not to mention all of the other proven advantages
inuhuion
Well-Known Member
That's what the little jars of coffee beans are for in perfume stores, supposedly clears the olfactory senses. So I say, sniff some ground coffee.
You get the idea ...BUT, coffee beans are a known and University study & proven olfactory neutralizing compliment to perfume odors, yet may not necessarily be complimentary or olfactory-cleansing when it comes to the herbal essences we are discussing. It does bear exploration though;-) Maybe someone on this thread (GH reviewers invited) would also like to experiment with drinking a cup of coffee to see if it enhances the taste bud's ability to pick up on terpenes and other flavorful herb constituents. Thanks!
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inuhuion
Well-Known Member
Anyways, all this talk of how the Ti's flavor dips sharply makes me wonder if I should downgrade to SS.
With all due respect to our resident simple country lobbyist, I simply don't want to fiddle with loading and reloading so often. Flavor is important, but it's not the end-all be-all to me. I'd rather be high. Plus, it seems like a tremendous hassle. I'd have to unscrew the GH, hold the tip in my palm, hold GH with fingers of that same hand. Use other hand to grab and onehandedly open whatever container i'm using. Still using same hand, grab a pinch and close container. I'd then have to throw away my beloved ABV cuz where else am I going to put it, put the pinch in the chamber, then reverse all those steps. How often am I expected to do this while I'm out and about? And I do not live in the land of unicorns, puppies and legal cannabis, so merely opening up my "pen" could blow my cover, let alone accidentally dumping weed on the street or something. In principle, I understand and agree with the concept but in reality, MY REALITY, it's hard to imagine it working for me, at least while out hiking or biking or whatever.