Willeh

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So some sad news, I broke my S2 spacer. Mine was snug and was a little challenging to get into position. I had some extra S1 batteries and decided to go back to conduction for a few days. I decided it was time to kick it into s2 mode again but had a lot of difficulty getting the screen in place again. It got sort of wedged in and I used too much pressure trying to pull it out and it 'exploded' ><. Luckily though, FlashVAPE is THE MAN, and not only is he sending me those FC freebie screens that his new staff forgot about but is also going to take good care my broken spacer situation. +10 points to FV for being an absolutely top notch vaporizer manufacturer :D
 

TheHerbalReview

@TheHerbalReview
+10 points to FV for being an absolutely top notch vaporizer manufacturer :D

They really are a top-tier manufacturer. I have been in contact with over 100 different companies and I'd most definitely put them at the top with the most helpful, easy to contact companies (right along with VaporBLUNT, Magic Flight, and VapeXhale). It's always nice being able to get ahold of a direct representative instead of an answer machine or having to wait an entire week for a support response.
 

Hippie Dickie

The Herbal Cube
Manufacturer
OF said:
In order to heat the air hot enough to get material above the screen (heated only by air) to 400F you'd need a surface hotter than 400F to produce that hot air.

not true in my experience. even though not in contact with the hot surface, the hot air heats the herb very quickly (5 seconds during inhale) to whatever temp the heater is set for. the air flow makes the difference. and maintaining the heater temperature so the air flow doesn't cool the heater.
 
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noobers

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Hey FC! I got my unit yesterday and gave it a test run. My friend and I had a great night but I think we will get better with practice. We did have one issue with my FV: the bottom on/off switch does not stay depressed, so I have to hold down both buttons simultaneously to get heat production. Is this normal? Have you seen it before and can you suggest any fixes? I'd prefer to not have to send my unit back as shipping took 8 days 1 way, and I'm already attached to it!
 
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FlashVAPE

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Hey FC! I got my unit yesterday and gave it a test run. My friend and I had a great night but I think we will get better with practice. We did have one issue with my FV: the bottom on/off switch does not stay depressed, so I have to hold down both buttons simultaneously to get heat production. Is this normal? Have you seen it before and can you suggest any fixes? I'd prefer to not have to send my unit back as shipping took 8 days 1 way, and I'm already attached to it!

The bottom on/off switch button is removable if you unscrew the retainer cap inside with a pair of needlenose pliers. However, the switch is a real heavy duty one and rarely ever has problems (we test each every single one before assembly and again before shipping). Send me a PM and we'll figure it out for you.

btw... you do have to depress it with a little bit of a forced "push" until a "click" is heard in order for it to lock to the ON or OFF position....
 
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OF

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not true in my experience. even though not in contact with the hot surface, the hot air heats the herb very quickly (5 seconds during inhale) to whatever temp the heater is set for. the air flow makes the difference. and maintaining the heater temperature so the air flow doesn't cool the heater.

I'm not sure that experience is the same here? You don't have herb sitting on the heater do you? And your system, as I understand it, is closed loop and has a very fast response time? In FV the screen temperature is not regulated and any air flow cools it.

The point remains, AVB sitting on a screen much hotter than 400F is going to burn.

I think we have evidence in the herb touching the screen shows the screen never exceeded 400F by very much (or we'd have burn). We also see, I think, that the herb not in contact is at best partially vaped by the time that in contact is done without mixing.

I'm still trying to sort out the points FV raised about differences with MFLB. I think there's something to the 'updraft/downdraft' idea. But it's not as simple as it sounds at first (what is?). In MFLB it's true heat is drawn away by airflow, we rapidly lean not to draw too much of the modest heat supply away. However, it's selective about it largely. Much of the air (half) comes through the 'wings' which are not heated. Most of that which actually comes through the trench walls comes from the part not covered by herb and therefore not doing any work anyway. The part we really need, the trench floor under the load, is largely bypassed I think?

I think there's some information in the very large difference in efficiency here. MFLB usually has no trouble vaping a trench or even two on a battery 1/3 the size. So yes, heat is being taken out of the game by convection in the original FV. I'm not sure that does any useful work, however?

Fun stuff, thanks.

OF
 
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Willeh

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I've been having a lot of fun using the S2 3.7v batteries in S1 mode while awaiting my spacer. You have to draw immediately as you push the button and really watch the temp but it hits equally hard without needing to draw as slow or wait for warm up. I would not recommend doing this unless you're ready to combust and definitely don't share with someone who doesn't know how to use the s1 well but I don't think I'll be using my 3.2 for conduction either anymore, S2 without the spacer produces lots of vapor while increasing combustion risk. It has lots more convection than 3.2v S1. I'm not missing my spacer right now, but I will be when I try to share the vape.
 

Pipes

Addicted DIY Enthusiast
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I've been having a lot of fun using the S2 3.7v batteries in S1 mode while awaiting my spacer. You have to draw immediately as you push the button and really watch the temp but it gives very big tasty S2 style clouds without needing to draw as slow or wait for warm up. I would not recommend doing this unless you're ready to combust and definitely don't share with someone who doesn't know how to use the s1 well but I don't think I'll be using my 3.2 for conduction either anymore, S2 without the spacer produces lots of vapor while increasing combustion risk. It has lots more convection than 3.2v S1. I'm not missing my spacer right now, but I will be when I try to share the vape.
I sure agree with you there. By modifying technique, the 3.7 volt can be used without a spacer. Draw earlier and faster to keep heater from getting to combustion temperature. But as you said, easier to go too slow or too long and combustion occurs. But can get huge clouds easy enough when hitting the bullseye. Saves the "on" time for batteries too.
 
The bottom on/off switch button is removable if you unscrew the retainer cap inside with a pair of needlenose pliers. However, the switch is a real heavy duty one and rarely ever has problems (we test each every single one before assembly and again before shipping). Send me a PM and we'll figure it out for you.

btw... you do have to depress it with a little bit of a forced "push" until a "click" is heard in order for it to lock to the ON or OFF position....
FlashVape, I think I know the answer to this question, but would like to confirm with you.

Is the bottom switch just a safety as I assume? If I leave the bottom switch on will my batteries drain faster than if I turn it off? (assuming I'm not hitting the side switch)

I would doubt there's any energy leak between the bottom switch and side switch, but would like confirmation.
 
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beefsupreme

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I installed the S2 kit yesterday and it was very simple to do, glad for that. I can now see why everyone likes it. I enjoyed the day with it yesterday and the clouds it can produce are just great. For Lazy Sunday today I thought it would be nice to chill the vapor more and modded the magic flight water-pipe whip with some of the included tubing and a hairdryer (thanks vito!). The two work like a charm, with huge chilled clouds being produced. I then gave my bong a long overdue cleaning.

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After finishing my second load with the S2 I saw the spacer has had the common break already

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should I fish out that spoke or just leave it be for now ? I'd prefer not to touch it in fear of breaking it more. Should I not be shaking it between hits much? or extra-gentle with the brush cleaning the screen?
 

OF

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Gee, I feel kinda left out, I haven't broken my insert yet......maybe I'm not using it enough? I'll have to work on that I guess.

I did cheat a peek into the cap as FV suggested, mighty impressive in there too guys. There's two ceramic blocks in there where other makers might have used plastic.....

OF
 

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
My spacer is still in one piece and I do hope it stays that way. Good to know the FV will still work
with a broken one. I could Rave about my FlashVape all day, really lovin' it , think I'll step out to enjoy
it a little more. Seeeee Ya..............
 
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JoeKickass

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I would take the piece out, you need to shake the FV and the piece will break the others trust me...
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
Be gentle, man...
be a constant pacer-
Don't show haste.- Don't rush,
You need not be a racer,
get tuff, poke in there hard..
It sure wont be your day, sir..
slide it easy-shake real nice.....
We hate to waste a spacer
"Spacer wasting sucks"- Spacer Conservation Committee
 
An update on my feelings on the S-2 vs. the stock FV. After using the S-2 for a week or so I have decided that the stock FlashVape is definitely for me. The higher temps of the S-2 produce bigger clouds, but IMO these clouds are too hot and the "vapor" too close to smoke - nearly combustion. This makes the quality of the vapor perhaps better for med users needing a dulling effect on body and mind, but for me it is too heavy feeling, more of an opiate blanket than tripping the light fantastic. Plus, as I mentioned before, I find it uses material a lot faster.

Stock FV is a near perfect design - convection with a touch of conduction if used right. S-2 is overkill unless you're looking for heavy, numbing, hot clouds - clouds too hot and large ... that can really tear up your throat and lungs if you're not careful. Plus the FV itself can get crazy hot with the 3.7v batteries. It all feels over the top and counter-productive compared to the perfect balance of the stock FV.

Just my 2 cents, but I hope the stock FV remains the standard with the S-2 an obscure (and frowned upon) option. This would be better public policy for those who see vape technology as a tool for social engineering. Users of the stock FV would make the perfect world citizens, the S-2 sect may ultimately become a persecuted minority - purely out of necessity of course ... an unfortunate bi-product of unstoppable, evolutionary, epoch-shaping forces. YMMV, but I strongly suggest it doesn't.

:goon: :clap::clap::myday::clap::clap::goon:
 

stickstones

Vapor concierge
right on kelper...there is no best vape! There had to be someone who liked the S1 better and I guess you're that guy...proving our site's motto as well. Have you tried the S2 with the stock batts to see if it gives you softer hits?
 
right on kelper...there is no best vape! There had to be someone who liked the S1 better and I guess you're that guy...proving our site's motto as well. Have you tried the S2 with the stock batts to see if it gives you softer hits?
No, but I should - seems like it may be too soft, but worth a try. Thanks.
 
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deadheadbill

I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...
So, do I have to order the original FlashVape plus the S2 kit or do all new FlashVapes come with the S2?
 
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pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
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right on kelper...there is no best vape! There had to be someone who liked the S1 better and I guess you're that guy...proving our site's motto as well. Have you tried the S2 with the stock batts to see if it gives you softer hits?

The S2 works with the 3.2V batteries but takes too long. The battery life is therefore quite short but that's probably irrelevant. I don't think kelper needs to find a way to use the S2 if he's happy without it.

Oddly enough, I prefer the S2 for the things kelper says he can't achieve with it. I like thinner lower temperature vapour too, but I have no trouble getting that from the S2. I do enjoy the FV without the S2 spacer installed but I find the vapour lot harsher. I think, however, this shows the flexibility of the FV. It's not about duplicating someone else's experience, it's about how the FV can be adapted to satisfy a wide range of users.
 
Oddly enough, I prefer the S2 for the things kelper says he can't achieve with it. I like thinner lower temperature vapour too, but I have no trouble getting that from the S2.
You must be taking your foot off the pedal - not fair! Seriously - just gets too hot for me.

Edit: I think that increases the CBN percentage too - better for med users.
 
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OF

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I think, however, this shows the flexibility of the FV. It's not about duplicating someone else's experience, it's about how the FV can be adapted to satisfy a wide range of users.

You know, for such a funny looking fellow you say some mighty smart stuff sometimes?

I think that's what's going on in Spades! And, FWIW, that's just how I think it should be. Some vapes are too constraining. The better ones give the user more control I think.

OF
 
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