Discontinued The Grasshopper

[vapviking]

Thanks, I was hoping I could help those that are worried about the threading.The Mighty is still awesome though, I just don't use it much because I need to be discrete in my studio and the GH is perfect for that. I take a hit use a smoke buddy and the smell is almost nonexistent. I'm also not forced into having sessions, but I wish I could use my Mighty openly without worrying about the smell. Oh, and you'll love the Ti in my experience it does heat up and produce vapor faster than the SS. However, the flavor is a bit better on my SS. When I get it back I'll see if that's really the case with or if it's because my SS is defective.

Will be interested to hear your further comparison SS to Ti. I happen to have one of each on order!

 

[slcbdco]

now I squeeze some flower down to a size just small enough to slide in the bowl barely touching the sides. I dont bother grinding any more. Very little difference in performance over here.

Yup! I've been pinching away and haven't used a grinder in months!

Oh, and you'll love the Ti in my experience it does heat up and produce vapor faster than the SS. However, the flavor is a bit better on my SS. When I get it back I'll see if that's really the case with or if it's because my SS is defective.

I totally agree. I'm just a simple country lobbyist, not a scientist but my theory is the marginal difference in heat up and probably more importantly cool down time between the two is why the SS has "better" flavor than the SS.

I wouldn't describe it as better so much as longer lasting. Since the SS heats up slower, it's spends marginally MORE time at the lower temps meaning when the "ready" light is on, the SS may still be slightly cooler that then Ti. I therefore say the Ti has more complex flavor since you're getting more spectrum being slightly warmer. The real magic is the cool down. Also the Ti is likely extracting the terpenes slightly faster when heating, but when the cool down is happening, the SS still has more terps left after the first hit and since its cooling slower, there is denser vapor remaining in the chamber that cools down and congeals slower. I bet you also get more reclaim in your SS mouthpiece for example.

As a result I notice longer lasting flavor with the SS. I think the Ti flavor is "better" personally but I think you get more flavorful hits per bowl for sure with the SS.


Which would I recommend? Assuming your use of the grasshopper is primarily personal use, if you're the kind of person that can pack on bowl and just take 6-10 hits all day, I would actually say you'll probably enjoy the SS more.

However if you're a 2-3 bowls and hour kind of guy, you're going to be reloading anyway so why not make it count, treat yo self and get the Ti, it's a cannasuer experience!

So we seem to have more and more people becoming pinchers instead of grinders and more people are noticing the (albeit subtle) difference in flavor between SS and Ti ...

You know I'm not the kinda guy to say .... wait I'm TOTALLY the kinda guy to say IATOADASO, I FUCKING IATOADASO

 

[Vapetrees]

@studmuffin No worries man I understand completely. I actually work with children that are on the spectrum and they're pretty awesome and very interesting. So to not make it complicated for you, once you get your Grasshopper you can just use it and not worry about the threading. You may not even have an issue with it for all we know.

@vapviking Well I only have one at the moment, the Ti, and when I had the SS idk if it was working 100% because the backend got warm. Although, it was producing vapor and it was really tasty but I got some blue/red flashing and then it wouldn't turn on anymore. @slcbdco Has two on him so he could be of better help at the moment and I believe he agrees with my statements about the SS and Ti.

@slcbdco I have to disagree on the fact that the Ti is tastier, at least in my experience. I don't know if my Ti didn't taste as well as the SS because it was new and had that new vaporizer smell, but the SS tasted better. I tried them both with the same strain and on the Ti it felt as if the vapor was hotter and had less taste than the SS. It could be explained by what you mentioned, that the Ti extracts the terpenes faster or it could be that I just had to break it in to get rid of the smell. You can probably conduct "experiments" with both of yours and give us "scientific" answers lol. You'll probably just end up too Vaked.

 

[studmuffin]

Hi Vapetrees,

Thank you for your response. I have to make a conscious effort to not "fixate" on tiny details. Hopefully, when I get my titanium Grasshopper (eventually) I can just enjoy the experience without obsessing about all things metallurgical. I am calm now. Thanx.

 

[slcbdco]

@studmuffin No worries man I understand completely. I actually work with children that are on the spectrum and they're pretty awesome and very interesting. So to not make it complicated for you, once you get your Grasshopper you can just use it and not worry about the threading. You may not even have an issue with it for all we know.

@vapviking Well I only have one at the moment, the Ti, and when I had the SS idk if it was working 100% because the backend got warm. Although, it was producing vapor and it was really tasty but I got some blue/red flashing and then it wouldn't turn on anymore. @slcbdco Has two on him so he could be of better help at the moment and I believe he agrees with my statements about the SS and Ti.

@slcbdco I have to disagree on the fact that the Ti is tastier, at least in my experience. I don't know if my Ti didn't taste as well as the SS because it was new and had that new vaporizer smell, but the SS tasted better. I tried them both with the same strain and on the Ti it felt as if the vapor was hotter and had less taste than the SS. It could be explained by what you mentioned, that the Ti extracts the terpenes faster or it could be that I just had to break it in to get rid of the smell. You can probably conduct "experiments" with both of yours and give us "scientific" answers lol. You'll probably just end up too Vaked.

This is why I said "better". It's the word I use to describe the same thing you experienced. Another way of saying it is the Ti flavor is more complex but doesn't last as long as the SS which has also great flavor though not as 'complex" but lasts longer.


I think what's hapepening is this combination of slower extraction and slower cool down causing remaking vapor to congeal and in effect have those terps recycled for later hits.

I haven't really noticed if the effect is different, I wouldn't imagine it would be as I think cannabinoids have broader vapor ranges than terepenes which are lower.

 

[EdE80]

I really love the taste I get from my Ti on 3! Perfection!!!

 

[Vapetrees]

This is why I said "better". It's the word I use to describe the same thing you experienced. Another way of saying it is the Ti flavor is more complex but doesn't last as long as the SS which has also great flavor though not as 'complex" but lasts longer.


I think what's hapepening is this combination of slower extraction and slower cool down causing remaking vapor to congeal and in effect have those terps recycled for later hits.

I haven't really noticed if the effect is different, I wouldn't imagine it would be as I think cannabinoids have broader vapor ranges than terepenes which are lower.

I love them both for different reasons and it's good to know all these little details about the different materials, SS and Ti. It should help those who haven't received one, to make a decision to stick with SS or go with Ti. I agree with you about the flavor profile of both vaporizers, there is a difference.

@studmuffin I'm Glad I could help. Once you get it you won't have a worry since you'll probably feel the effects right away lol.

@EdE80 I like that temperature but I also like to start at the second temperature. Try it and see how it goes.

 

[YaFreekin Right]

The Ti & SS should heat up identically & taste the same. There is no reason to believe these differences so far discussed are not calibration issues or subjective observations.

 

[slcbdco]

The Ti & SS should heat up identically & taste the same. There is no reason to believe these differences so far discussed are not calibration issues or subjective observations.

This is based on your experience with both a Ti and SS? The difference is subtle so for example those with a below average sense of taste (like someone who actively smokes cigarettes for example) may not notice.


However if your suggesting that I and the other folks who are DEFINITELY noticing a SIMILAR experience INDENPENDENTLY of each other are not having that experience then that's totally up to you.

It doesn't change that many people are noticing the difference independently of each other so, for a consumer who wants to make and informed choice, I again say there is definitely a difference other than price.

For a light user, like 5-10 tips could last you all day kinda person, I actually recommend the SS, you'll enjoy the flavor more and since you won't likely need to repack might as well get the longer lasting flavor.


If you take 10 or more rips an hour, DEFINITLEY treat yourself to the Ti. I also do enjoy the lighter weight of the Ti but the richer flavor of the Ti is definitely worth the extra money if, like me you're going to be repacking a bunch anyway.

 

[WoodyWeedPecker]

The taste comes from the herbs not the devices.

Some devices can give up taste but I'm not sure Titanium or SS do much. Maybe but I don't think so. Plastic devices like cheap vapes other than the hopper could provide a smell. A slight difference in temp adjustment between Ti and SS could provides changes in taste since lower temp provides better taste. A 3.5 on Ti could be a bit different than a 3.5 on SS for example (like 3.3 or 3.7), maybe related to how much they hold their heat from one toke to another. The herb is the holy grail!

 

[Vaperist]

two new Hopper videos on YouTube

the last one is interesting. addressing flashing red light issue.

 

[YaFreekin Right]

This is based on your experience with both a Ti and SS? The difference is subtle so for example those with a below average sense of taste (like someone who actively smokes cigarettes for example) may not notice.


However if your suggesting that I and the other folks who are DEFINITELY noticing a SIMILAR experience INDENPENDENTLY of each other are not having that experience then that's totally up to you.

It doesn't change that many people are noticing the difference independently of each other so, for a consumer who wants to make and informed choice, I again say there is definitely a difference other than price.

For a light user, like 5-10 tips could last you all day kinda person, I actually recommend the SS, you'll enjoy the flavor more and since you won't likely need to repack might as well get the longer lasting flavor.


If you take 10 or more rips an hour, DEFINITLEY treat yourself to the Ti. I also do enjoy the lighter weight of the Ti but the richer flavor of the Ti is definitely worth the extra money if, like me you're going to be repacking a bunch anyway.

I'm stating it based on logic & knowledge of heat transfer. Let's say you set both units at 5, ie 410F. Both units should produce identical hot air at 410F, if you dig deep into my posts I have shown an analysis of the heat loss of the vapor chamber, there is no appreciable difference between the SS & Ti. Therefore the herbs should be subject the same thermal conditions, therefore they should extract & taste similar.

 

[Kasish]

Guys and girls hows the new back end with the gap compared to the older one without the gap does it stay cooler?

 

[slcbdco]

The taste comes from the herbs not the devices.

Some devices can give up taste but I'm not sure Titanium or SS do much. Maybe but I don't think so. Plastic devices like cheap vapes other than the hopper could provide a smell. A slight difference in temp adjustment between Ti and SS could provides changes in taste since lower temp provides better taste. A 3.5 on Ti could be a bit different than a 3.5 on SS for example (like 3.3 or 3.7), maybe related to how much they hold their heat from one toke to another. The herb is the holy grail!

I noticed what o thought was a difference. Once I noticed I did as controlled experiment as I could. Using the same amount of the same bud and setting both devices to the same temp exactly on the line (I used temp 3).

Using literally cannabis from the same exact bud, not same strain, but same jar, the exact same bud, I noticed the difference.

I'm stating it based on logic & knowledge of heat transfer. Let's say you set both units at 5, ie 410F. Both units should produce identical hot air at 410F, if you dig deep into my posts I have shown an analysis of the heat loss of the vapor chamber, there is no appreciable difference between the SS & Ti. Therefore the herbs should be subject the same thermal conditions, therefore they should extract & taste similar.

What I'm suggesting, again not a scientist, just using what I do know to explain a real phenomenon, is that there is a slight difference in thermal efficiency between the two, and the manufacturer has stated there is a thermal efficiency difference and as a result of that, you get different vaping experiences.

You don't have to believe me, by all means do the experiment yourself.

For those who are receptive the the feedback of people who have actually used both, trust me there is a difference, can I quantify it? No, not a scientist, can I qualify it? Yes! The Ti has richer flavor that doesn't last as long as the great but less interesting SS flavor that lasts longer.

My explanation is referring to the subjective nature of an objective difference. Others have described it differently, flavor being inherently subjective because it preferential. Others may actually just like the flavor the SS produces better, bulky for you since it objectively lasts longer. I prefer the flavor of the Ti, although I have to reload more often.

 

[studmuffin]

"Shit the bed, Ted". Whooomp, there it is ! WooHoo ! ! My titanium Grasshopper from pre-order.
Fuck yes, and me and my new BFF must be off to the field now! ! !

 

[Gandalf]

I have a Ti now but I had a SS and I can confirm what @Vapetrees and @slcbdco say about the differences between the two. It was very noticeable to me. The Ti definitely seems to extract the herb faster and the taste doesn't last for as many hits compared to the SS. Both have great taste, don't get me wrong, it's just a different experience.

 

[Vaperist]

I'm stating it based on logic & knowledge of heat transfer. Let's say you set both units at 5, ie 410F. Both units should produce identical hot air at 410F, if you dig deep into my posts I have shown an analysis of the heat loss of the vapor chamber, there is no appreciable difference between the SS & Ti. Therefore the herbs should be subject the same thermal conditions, therefore they should extract & taste similar.

SS is heating up slower that Ti. fact. physics.

so it well might be that SS model is condensing more THC oil to dee sides of that chamber and mouthpiece. as it stays cooler for longer. so it kinda preserves condensed oil for second and third hit. while Ti is getting hot quickly. which could mean less condensing and inhaling more goodies in that first and second hit. and not leaving much on those sides for a third one.

so i would assume that for a massive bong hits Ti is a way to go. while SS for doing a session.

 

[FizzNuggets]

Just got my hopper back! 9 days from sending it out to getting it back from warranty. Figured I would give a quick update.

They replaced the body and I will say I'm pleased so far. The batteries are no longer a tight fit. Much easier to get out now. Gonna go load this girl up and take some nice water rips and check in shortly.

Thanks hopper labs!

Back end no longer gets warm at all. Funny because it's the same one. Nothing but good times. Came back better than the first.

Typically ID agree with @slcbdco, just a pinch is nice. Now if you want to see what this thing can do, add some bho after filling 25% full, then top off the other 70% or so with bud. I put more on top because the hopper stands up for the bubbler and I want the oil to melt into the bud. I use a light pack for this. Again, when I use bud, a pinch wins every time. But damn. You get 10-12 huge rips on 5 through water. The flavor carries through most of them. Get some undertones of the bud going before the oil, but it does for now!

 

[EdE80]

Grasshopper Pre-order
March Update


Hey Everyone,

Grasshoppers are moving out the door at a record rate. In this last month, we have added an additional 3 assembly techs and installed another large automatic machine. As the assembly speed picks up we are closing in on ship dates and will be able to keep a tighter schedule moving forward.

We believe in a vertically integrated and robust supply chain. That means bringing more processes in-house to keep production agile. This strategy has paid off allowing us to avoid countless problems. We’ve been able to cut the assembly time, increased the reliability and continually improved the design on the fly. This is the true value in overseeing the entire production right here in Colorado.

We will update shipping estimations to match current production volume. While we did not hit many of your original estimations, we expect the future to be more accurate. We understand realistic and accurate shipping estimates make waiting less frustrating. Thanks for your patience.

With so much going on we’ve hardly had time to go through all the recent reviews and awards the Grasshopper has been a part of. For this update we picked a few of our favorites from the last few months.

The Vapor Wizard Review in 4k!



Vape Fiend Review.



Canna Melier Review.





Thanks for checking in for the March update.

The Grasshopper Team

 

[Vapetrees]

@Gandalf Thanks for sharing your experience that you had with both Grasshoppers. I feel the same way I do notice the differences between both. I really don't have a favorite they're both awesome. The battery on my Ti is lasting way longer than my SS did, but it may have been defective.

@YaFreekin Right You are correct in your analysis of the metals, and that there shouldn't be a difference. However, I notice the difference between both, in the way the herb tastes and also in extraction. The Ti vapor does feel warmer and you may be right about lowering the temperature on the Ti to make it comparable to the SS. You may be on to something, when you state that the Ti may actually be hotter at the same temperature as the Ti.

 

[tr33sPlease]

I think the only way to be sure of thedifferences between TI and SS is with a double blind experiment, where the same internals with the same strain and weight were used with both device shells. Otherwise there are too many variables such as user expectation, heater calibration, bowl cleanliness, etc. The experiment would have to have as many controls as possible.

 

[vapviking]

I think the only way to be sure of thedifferences between TI and SS is with a double blind experiment, where the same internals with the same strain and weight were used with both device shells. Otherwise there are too many variables such as user expectation, heater calibration, bowl cleanliness, etc. The experiment would have to have as many controls as possible.

I'd like to volunteer to be a test subject in your experiment, let me know the details...? I hope it is very rigorous testing... for science. I know a yoga trick so I can remove my user expectations, if this helps?

 

[zymos]

I got that "March update" also, today, on the first of April.
Buncha stoners....

 

[Vapetrees]

@tr33sPlease Thats a good idea, but you can actually have someone hold it for you while you take a draw, and use the silicone so that they can't tell based on the texture of the metals.

@zymos Maybe they're April fooling us and are delivering all early pre-orders. Lol

 

[zymos]

When I saw that in my inbox, I thought maybe it was going to be all jokey, but they played it straight...