tubasco
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we finally have an answer to the age old question: "Turn down, for what?"
Discontinued The Grasshopper
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Mr Mellish
Well-Known Member
I get two sessions out of a battery and only use the silicone mouthpiece (never a bubbler) at 2.5 and 5. 5 is a bit harsh but manageable. Can't comment on desktops.
Chose
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Baron23
Well-Known Member
If I were making the design trade off decisions, I would have done likewise. Sacrifice a bit of stealth by adding a bit of size and hence remove some of the criticality of the design. But....I didn't. LOL
I believe that in exchange for a slightly larger device you are rewarded with 4x the battery capacity. And every replaceable battery = the capacity of 4 grasshopper batteries. I see a slightly larger grasshopper still ultimately smaller than the current unit with a few extra batteries.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
So since you've outlined it so clearly for me twice, would you care to elaborate further on why? Especially since I took the time to give my reasons (airflow)? Even though I didn't think your response was very friendly, I really honestly am looking for your feedback as i'm presently testing an EVO.
What exactly can the EVO do that the GH cannot? From a water conditioned hit perspective...
JoeMama
Well-Known Member
Has anyone experienced the brief flashing of a Red, or of red/blue flicker while screwing down the backend (as in, the installation of a new battery)?
This has been consistently happening with the grey Ti I have which I still believe (make that "KNOW") is under-performing in spite of GHL saying otherwise.
Anyone? Thanks!
Is that a fact? Darker ABV means more chlorophyll?
That's quite good to know; I've often wondered how dark it "needs" to get to be able to know you've extracted the CBD elements that live at the upper end of the temperature spectrum. I vacillate between being pissed off that I'm wasting herb, and wishing I hadn't inhaled that last "dirty tasting" hit.
This has been consistently happening with the grey Ti I have which I still believe (make that "KNOW") is under-performing in spite of GHL saying otherwise.
Anyone? Thanks!
Is that a fact? Darker ABV means more chlorophyll?
That's quite good to know; I've often wondered how dark it "needs" to get to be able to know you've extracted the CBD elements that live at the upper end of the temperature spectrum. I vacillate between being pissed off that I'm wasting herb, and wishing I hadn't inhaled that last "dirty tasting" hit.
aballrelaxer
Well-Known Member
Been enjoying this device very much over the past couple weeks.
I messed with all the heats but primarily just hit it at 5 (dry)...I'm pretty hotair-tolerant though; I used to use my solo(s) primarily thru my nose
I messed with all the heats but primarily just hit it at 5 (dry)...I'm pretty hotair-tolerant though; I used to use my solo(s) primarily thru my nose
Icon13
Serial Vapist
I get 2 chambers per battery before swapping for a fresh one. I don't even wait for the dead battery light.
You may have mentioned it here before, but do you own a Hopper? Have you used one? Through a water tool?
Personally, hitting through a water tool is amazing. For me it's all about the density of the vapor. Completely white due to the high pressure the water tool creates; plus the cooling.
It also allows me to use all of my compatible pieces and go on "smoking" only substituting this vape for a lighter.
If you are talking about the holes at the small positive end of the battery. This is separate from the rest of the body keeping the positive & negative apart so they don't short out. If you pulled the plastic wrapper off you would see how the body ends and the nipple is separate . DO NOT USE A BATTERY WITHOUT THE WRAPPER because if you do you will find out those holes are to allow the battery to vent spewing hot gases and chemicals out ruining the battery and possibly you or your device. You may have seen some e-cig explodes videos those are usually beyond venting and are a thermal runaway. Venting or thermal runaway is usually caused by using or carrying a battery with a damaged wrapper or putting it in a pocket with keys or coins. To everyone don't carry your batteries without protection a case or even a rubber/silicone cap that you put on the small/positive end. MFLB uses caps (too big for GH batteries) even though their batteries are a much safer chemistry. Now that I have done my public duty I am going out to try my Hopper for the first time. I think I would like some UK Cheese. Later.
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Exactly. I get more than two chambers on my 3 month old GHB2s without exception.
That equates to over 3 minutes of inhalation from 750mAh. My MFLB can't compete with 2250mAh, my EQ can't match the output (even modded).
The GH is a desktop replacement in that it replaced my desktop and has negated any desire I have for anything more. If anything I'd want a vape with a milder signature, I have two hoppers if I want more power. Dual wielded is no joke, multi chamber vaping makes a massive difference and is easy to do with a couple of hoppers
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJt1lkWg6Re/
I'd use any vape through water. Why? It removes a proportion of undesirable water soluble constituents such as ammonia, it tames the vapour enabling easily tolerable half minute hits, it is very enjoyable using divinely designed and intricately created artistic masterpieces.
Mid-hike I carry the GH and toking directly pump massive clouds off the mountains. The fresh Tasmanian alpine air makes this especially nice.
When I'm at the top, nothing makes a view better over a bubbler in hand.
I'm predominantly a recreational user, so efficacy from my drug is what I'm most concerned with. Therefore cloud density is paramount, I don't mind sacrificing some plant material to thoroughly enjoy myself from saturating my cannabinoid system. You can't do this with whispy vaporizer wannabes.
The most powerful desktops can't make a minute of dense vapour stream using 0.15g of material, and if they can they are only matching the hopper.
Put 0.3g in 2 hoppers, and everything becomes completely redundant.
Gramin
Well-Known Member
GHB2 batteries are so amazing. I got through a day without having to change batteries once! Sure I probably didn't consume much that day but it was real nice the next day getting one and a half more hits before I had to change.
Really happy with my replacement Hopper. The honeymoon period is never meant to end!
Really happy with my replacement Hopper. The honeymoon period is never meant to end!
Doktor Dub
Well-Known Member
@GreenHopper : I agree with nearly all your Points.
For me, the GH is very much like a "Proof of Concept" and for that a really cool one. But, it does not feel really ready it s more like pretty promising for a ver. 2 :-)
Don t get me wrong, i really like my GH, but on the other Hand, i would never rely just on it, for me it can not be the only Vape one ownes as it works now.
I would love to have a Power supply or even a "Desktop Hopper" - similar design, with proper 14mm vong form, perhaps even smaller / shorter, a bit more Power and a little bit more open Airflow - Great.
It would make a great difference for me if they used 18650, i can order this overnight and don t pay much so it would be ok to me to change often.
Right now my Battery situation beeing located in Europe: GH doesn t work properly, the european Vendors i know don t have Batteries in stock, if they get them (hopefully) in March and i order just the Batterie it will be 20 Euros with shipping....
For me, the GH is very much like a "Proof of Concept" and for that a really cool one. But, it does not feel really ready it s more like pretty promising for a ver. 2 :-)
Don t get me wrong, i really like my GH, but on the other Hand, i would never rely just on it, for me it can not be the only Vape one ownes as it works now.
I would love to have a Power supply or even a "Desktop Hopper" - similar design, with proper 14mm vong form, perhaps even smaller / shorter, a bit more Power and a little bit more open Airflow - Great.
It would make a great difference for me if they used 18650, i can order this overnight and don t pay much so it would be ok to me to change often.
Right now my Battery situation beeing located in Europe: GH doesn t work properly, the european Vendors i know don t have Batteries in stock, if they get them (hopefully) in March and i order just the Batterie it will be 20 Euros with shipping....
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Yep, on all 4 of my GH's, whether screwing the backend on, or off, I always get a second of a red blink while going through the process. Normal I would think?
There is a thread somewhere in the depths of FC describing the "caramelization process"... our very own @pakalolo has great knowledge on this topic, but to sum it up - ABV colour isn't as important as we all think for extraction. I for one abandoned the ultra dark ABV I used to take my stash to back in the day, although I frequently see that kinda ABV in the GH when I pack too much in it and go to town on 5 through water which i've been known to do here and there!
Yes! Same here, thick very dense vapour that mimics the look of smoke.... i've only seen this in the Nano. Same with that "snap crackle pop" sound if your grind isn't too fine.... the GH makes vapour its bitch!!!
Agreed again, love using the GH like an electronic "lighter"!
I still think that the GH can exceed the most powerful desktops in very meaningful ways. The EVO can rip through .3g, and do it faster than the GH, however IMO the vapour isn't as densely thick nor as comfortable to take in.
All 3 of my GH's are presently in "testing" at the Lab and should be shipped back to me in a couple of days. I found out that they will only allow 3 batteries to enable "free shipping" and as many silicone mouth shields as I like. Unfortunately, even though free shipping was supposed to be enabled, it wasn't. This has been the only glitch i've experienced so far in the RMA process. It has been incredible so far and very state of the art! I mean, other than the no phone contact lol
I'll give you my 2 cents once I get my Grasshopper
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Alright guys, here's one for you.
I'll call it trailing a hit.
By trailing a hit, I mean using an insufficient power source where the GH just works only a little better than most vapes, instead of at its usual mind boggling capacity.
So the batteries are small and are really made for use with HL's included charger, which in my case is a rare thing. When the battery is at full capacity, it is most able to drive the hopper. After the first hit from the charger, the battery is physically incapable of reproducing the same energy curve output. And so theoretically every subsequent hit is an eventual reduction of performance of the power cell.
Li-ion discharges on its own, and so charging up a battery and storing it to use the next day will cause trailing a hit. The battery won't quite be able give full output (depending on it's quality/age) and the hopper will indicate flat batts quicker.
Alternatively, storing up flat batteries and charging them in time ready before use gives the hopper its full strength and the bowls will be next level thickshakes instead of basic milk.
I've been taking batteries from the hopper and placing them straight on the charger, I then store and pick them out later to use in the vape.
From now on I'm going to be swapping batteries more regularly and charging directly before use to get the maximum power curve offered more regularly.
The difference is astounding in cloud output, and I'd bet a lot of people might benefit from structuring their charge cycles better too...
The EVO seems to give a greater length of cloud, though it doesn't look thicc like we like it
I've never used one however, but I remember getting a solid stream of vapour the first time I used the claisen, and thinking 'evo/sublimator etc. I get it now'.
I guess I still don't. One day I'll have the pleasure of finding out.
A hopper by itself truly is finicky, but I still would recommend it as an only vape for any cannabis enthusiast.
If you max the power for the GH as above, the clouds it puts out are intense.
The batteries are a downside of course.
But so is a mains power cord.
Most of the places I go I can't vape with anything worth hitting other than a GH.
The other portable options almost entirely miss the functionality I'm chasing.
T H I C C
That's why it's a desktop replacement.
With a hopper you don't need a desktop, unless you want to connoisseur it up - which is a great idea, why not.
But with a desktop, you need a hopper.
There are a lot of different ways to vape and they all have go to devices, for bubblers of vapour there is no better choice than the GH. From multiple angles.
For a portable vape, unless you want a slow session, the GH is equally as good as few options.
And finally too, it's accessible
I'll call it trailing a hit.
By trailing a hit, I mean using an insufficient power source where the GH just works only a little better than most vapes, instead of at its usual mind boggling capacity.
So the batteries are small and are really made for use with HL's included charger, which in my case is a rare thing. When the battery is at full capacity, it is most able to drive the hopper. After the first hit from the charger, the battery is physically incapable of reproducing the same energy curve output. And so theoretically every subsequent hit is an eventual reduction of performance of the power cell.
Li-ion discharges on its own, and so charging up a battery and storing it to use the next day will cause trailing a hit. The battery won't quite be able give full output (depending on it's quality/age) and the hopper will indicate flat batts quicker.
Alternatively, storing up flat batteries and charging them in time ready before use gives the hopper its full strength and the bowls will be next level thickshakes instead of basic milk.
I've been taking batteries from the hopper and placing them straight on the charger, I then store and pick them out later to use in the vape.
From now on I'm going to be swapping batteries more regularly and charging directly before use to get the maximum power curve offered more regularly.
The difference is astounding in cloud output, and I'd bet a lot of people might benefit from structuring their charge cycles better too...
Did you see my insta video? I ripped through 0.3 in 30 seconds with two hops. It only cost me 3 hours of function
The EVO seems to give a greater length of cloud, though it doesn't look thicc like we like it
I've never used one however, but I remember getting a solid stream of vapour the first time I used the claisen, and thinking 'evo/sublimator etc. I get it now'.
I guess I still don't. One day I'll have the pleasure of finding out.
A hopper by itself truly is finicky, but I still would recommend it as an only vape for any cannabis enthusiast.
If you max the power for the GH as above, the clouds it puts out are intense.
The batteries are a downside of course.
But so is a mains power cord.
Most of the places I go I can't vape with anything worth hitting other than a GH.
The other portable options almost entirely miss the functionality I'm chasing.
T H I C C
That's why it's a desktop replacement.
With a hopper you don't need a desktop, unless you want to connoisseur it up - which is a great idea, why not.
But with a desktop, you need a hopper.
There are a lot of different ways to vape and they all have go to devices, for bubblers of vapour there is no better choice than the GH. From multiple angles.
For a portable vape, unless you want a slow session, the GH is equally as good as few options.
And finally too, it's accessible
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biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
I'll give you my 2 cents once I get my Grasshopper
As someone who has been there since the start of it all like me, I really value and look forward to your opinion! Keep in mind efficiency when you are comparing the two.....
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Oh yeah, the other thing with the EVO regarding temperature
There is no digital read out, only an analog dial right?
Similar to the hopper, but not calibrated to an indicated spectrum. (or is 12 o'clock a known temp?)
The cloud my hopper just gave me during my lengthy 150°-170°C variable low temp hit was crazy.
I'd bet there is no other vape on the market that could match that
There is no digital read out, only an analog dial right?
Similar to the hopper, but not calibrated to an indicated spectrum. (or is 12 o'clock a known temp?)
The cloud my hopper just gave me during my lengthy 150°-170°C variable low temp hit was crazy.
I'd bet there is no other vape on the market that could match that
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Right, although there is a strong rumour about a version 2 EVO around the corner that is in fact "digital".
From a quick google search, so not "official" but does jive with my experiences:
"The temperature is operated by a radial dial and they use a clock to estimate temps. So 7:00 on the dial will be 200F and the lowest temp setting while 5:00 on the dial is 500F and the max setting (for concentrate uses). 12 noon is 350F."
This is the shit i'm talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Keen to see what they come up with next. Anything portable from them I'd be especially interested in.
They mostly need to work the price down to something realistic. It's not like there's anything particularly fancy going on within their previous products.
Well, I guess that does make some sense. But it's still an even poorer indicated spectrum and I'd doubt it's as responsive to change mid hit?
This the shit we want, this the shit we need
EDIT: remember when auto shut offs meant something?
desktop killah. also, apparently the Vapexhale Cloud draws only 60% the power of the hopper. Weak.
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slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
"Some" are finicky but "most" are not. Remember the reported 5% failure rate whatever they said last is because they see a fair amount of "actually just user error" like folks misunderstanding warning lights etc. and they send them back because there was nothing wrong.
Not to mention that some people accidently wash theirs and it still works (clearly drying is and important step!) All to say I would definitely recommend the Grasshopper as a first and only vape. For one even with all my other vapes, the GH might as well be my only as I prefer using it and use it most of the time although since i've for the most part stopped smoking cigarettes the IQ has been getting more use but hard to tell if it's just because I like the device and the vape experience (which I do) new toy effect or just regular nicotine addiction, I think it's a healthy combo ..
The more important reason I recommend it is because if it's a persons first and/or only vape, it's because they don't have a vape and for many that is because they tried it and didn't like it.
Perfect example is this saturday I was having a party and folks were taking Grasshopper bong rips, all non-vaporist and the commments where like "oh I get it now" and "this way better than a pax when I don't get high" ....
Some of what experienced vaporist don't like about the grasshopper are exactly what a smoker wants.
Where one may say "harsh" I would say "full body". The number one reason I would recommend a grasshopper as a first and only vape is because out of my collection it's the only vape that smokers want to try a second time.
And for me it turned me from a primary smoker to primary vaporist and no other vape held my attention to do that!
Truth, living in Colorado and for the industry I didn't think I'd care about efficiency but it is so impressive it made me care.
It's also great when I travel and don't have access, I can usually take enough with me to last the trip because the GH is so efficient.