Discontinued The Grasshopper

[Hjalmark]

HL took a little longer to sort out warranty this time around, but both of mine are cleared for entry now, just have to send the bodies and back-ends as I requested.

I noticed their 'expect a reply' period has increased from 3-5 days to 3-7 business days. So a couple of days of extra waiting was required. Over the holiday period that's still good enough for me.

Might get them back in time for Christmas, never know. Keen to get them back whenever... Moments like these I'm always considering selling a unit and getting a Milaana or Splinter, but usually when the hoppers come back that idea's quickly pushed aside. We'll see what happens this time round.


Ed's TNT has made a couple of GH PFE extenders, I think it's a good way to go. Stylish and functional..

I'm sure he can do more

@MoltenTiger why you always have to show up and make my tip look so small?




PS
Really love the new clicker on the hopper that is just a single action switch for off and on

No more double clicking to turn it on after it turns it self off

 

[Sonicboom1991]

@MoltenTiger why you always have to show up and make my tip look so small?




PS
Really love the new clicker on the hopper that is just a single action switch for off and on

No more double clicking to turn it on after it turns it self off

How long dose it take for it to turn itself off?, I just tried mine to see if It had this new button and it stayed on for a 1min 10sec before I Just turned it off myself.

 

[mmenzie]

How long dose it take for it to turn itself off?, I just tried mine to see if It had this new button and it stayed on for a 1min 10sec before I Just turned it off myself.

Supposed to be 18 seconds I believe

 

[Hjalmark]

How long dose it take for it to turn itself off?, I just tried mine to see if It had this new button and it stayed on for a 1min 10sec before I Just turned it off myself.

Think mine is doing about 10-15 sec but yours sounds like a special case

Supposed to be 18 seconds I believe

Sounds more like the norm

Think my original one turned off in 10 sec?

 

[JCat]

HL took a little longer to sort out warranty this time around, but both of mine are cleared for entry now, just have to send the bodies and back-ends as I requested.

I noticed their 'expect a reply' period has increased from 3-5 days to 3-7 business days. So a couple of days of extra waiting was required. Over the holiday period that's still good enough for me.

Might get them back in time for Christmas, never know. Keen to get them back whenever... Moments like these I'm always considering selling a unit and getting a Milaana or Splinter, but usually when the hoppers come back that idea's quickly pushed aside. We'll see what happens this time round.


Ed's TNT has made a couple of GH PFE extenders, I think it's a good way to go. Stylish and functional..

I'm sure he can do more

Hey @Ed's TnT ... I'd definitely be interested in one of these! Thanks!

 

[MoltenTiger]

@MoltenTiger why you always have to show up and make my tip look so small?




PS
Really love the new clicker on the hopper that is just a single action switch for off and on

No more double clicking to turn it on after it turns it self off

hahaha I'm sorry man, I just had to support Ed where I can

But you know what they say, long and thin goes too far in, short and thick does the trick.
So I wouldn't worry if I were you, seems like you've sourced a good option, and unfortunately that exotic wood or HT PFE aren't mine to be flaunting anyway.
Does look good though!


I've never experienced the updated clicker, but I have experienced the auto time-out not working.

It's not much of an issue, but it's possible to overheat and kill these things. I'm pretty sure that's what happened after I learned I had no auto shut-off and started leaving it for a long while on blue to 'pre-heat' the chamber and get huge hits.

Can't really go wrong with a lifetime warranty, so either get it fixed now with it's non-problematic issue, or wait for it to eventuate to a proper malfunction and send it away then.

I'd be worried that that eventual problem would just occur after RMA'ing for the shut-off

 

[Mr.Sifter]

angry about the 2nd hand selling politics of HL.

you cant sell the units once they are registered.
of course you can, yeah, but the seller has to "renew the warranty" for 45dollars.

now i am stuck with the brilliant but unrealiable units.
I can only afford new/other vapes by selling my old/used ones.

the hopper is in every way peculiar

 

[diddymao]

HL took a little longer to sort out warranty this time around, but both of mine are cleared for entry now, just have to send the bodies and back-ends as I requested.

I noticed their 'expect a reply' period has increased from 3-5 days to 3-7 business days. So a couple of days of extra waiting was required. Over the holiday period that's still good enough for me.

Might get them back in time for Christmas, never know. Keen to get them back whenever... Moments like these I'm always considering selling a unit and getting a Milaana or Splinter, but usually when the hoppers come back that idea's quickly pushed aside. We'll see what happens this time round.


Ed's TNT has made a couple of GH PFE extenders, I think it's a good way to go. Stylish and functional..

I'm sure he can do more

that is my ti pfe , i had ed make me a couple of mouth pieces to fit it, sent him a the pfe and let him work his magic, cant wait for them to arive in the post, top work ed !!!!!!

 

[MoltenTiger]

that is my ti pfe , i had ed make me a couple of mouth pieces to fit it, sent him a the pfe and let him work his magic, cant wait for them to arive in the post, top work ed !!!!!!

that's priiime. it came up on my instagram feed
Really looks to be the perfect addition to the hopper.

And that is a really nice HT Ti piece there too!
You should post a pic of the full set and assembly when you get the chance

 

[diddymao]

that's priiime. it came up on my instagram feed
Really looks to be the perfect addition to the hopper.

And that is a really nice HT Ti piece there too!
You should post a pic of the full set and assembly when you get the chance

yep it looks the business, i got a nice surprise as that is the first image i have seen of it, got a five cm one and a ten cm one, not sure when hes going to ship them but will do a show and tell as soon as i get them.
cant wait

 

[MoltenTiger]

yep it looks the business, i got a nice surprise as that is the first image i have seen of it, got a five cm one and a ten cm one, not sure when hes going to ship them but will do a show and tell as soon as i get them.
cant wait

it really does!
Here is the link to the instagram post, there are 3 pics
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb-hdFiHp25/?taken-by=eds_tnt_

In person that is going to be amazing!

 

[diddymao]

im really excited, ed is the DUDE !!!

 

[Ed's TnT]

Hey hey you all glad to see some enthusiasm, hit me up if ya wanna know more, thanks again!

 

[diddymao]

loving your work bro, i think you may be about to get a fuckton of orders from all the hopper fans on this epic thread

 

[justcametomind]

I have a GH since a couple of months but I have never heard of a V.2 Grasshopper. Vaposhop claims they store this new version out in Europe since November 2017. There’s no mention of it in HL official sire but I could have misread.
The question is, a friend of mine is debating if getting a GH.
The info page lists a lot of minor improvements over the first version.
Would you better get a SS refurbished GH for 129€ or a new V2 SS GH for 225€?
https://www.vaposhop.com/vaporizers/pen-vaporizers/grasshopper-vaporizer/
Warranty is one year for the refurbished v1 and 2 for the v2.
Registering the new unit on HL you get lifetime warranty, how does it applies to non Americans customers?

Third question:
I’m reading this from the HL Tips and Tricks page:
“
3. Take Short, Firm Draws
Other vapes require a slow and steady draw that lasts between 30 and 90 seconds. This type of draw is not ideal for the Grasshopper. The Grasshopper comes equipped with a very powerful 45-watt heater, a microcontroller to monitor temperature in real-time and a very short vapor path. Its design allows for quick and easy vaporization. Your draw should be faster than with other vapes and last 15-20 seconds. Near the end of your draw, click the device off to allow for all the vapor and warm air to be cleared from the chamber. ”

Question: This is insane. Who the hell is able to draw for NINETY seconds? I have pretty big lungs but I don’t think I can draw for more than 30 second. I also got schooled up on this very topic about getting long steady draws and not “short and hard”, and “you have to draw faster than with other vapes” like it says.
Which vapes? Of course the non existent vapes in which you draw for 90 seconds.
When I pulled the GH hard like it says I got wispy vapor and burning lips (and was debating if returning it or not). Maybe I have a GH on the cool side? I feel like I have to do the opposite: draw very slowly, slower than any other vape. Sipping like if it’s a MFLB. That way I get clouds.

 

[JoeMama]

Does anyone have any experience similar to mine? I never had flashing blue on the pulls and the vapor is not what it was. I'm almost done with this vape even though I love it. I don't trust it and can't bring it out with me, which is the whole point of the Grasshopper - Easy quick discrete vaping.

All mine have flashed blue but noticed the new ones do it more

@DelaSheck , while I can't speak to your experiences regarding vapor production that seems anemic, I can say that the blue flicker on draws is now the new normal, apparently. I had sent both of my Ti's back at one point a few months ago, and one came back with the "blue flicker on draw", while the other one was (is) steady (of course, flickers on weak battery as it should).

The weird thing is, why would each behave differently if they were both sent back around the same time? (Rhetorical question, of course). But I have noticed this "2nd click" requirement to get the thing to hit well. It's a frustrating thing, especially when I'm doing the "Hey, check out this cool vape" demonstration to a friend. I just think the Hopper will always be a temperamental device.

I have had my Ti GH for a year and a half and it has worked perfectly up until lately when it has definitely cooled off. I can still get vapor, just not the thick vapor I was getting at 4.25 on the temp dial.

Baron, I know you know what you're doing, so this is just to relate and maybe share that when I have this happening, I question the herb dryness and even its potency. I get top shelf, but I've noticed that even from bud to bud, there can be a variance in the cloud production. I'm sure we all know the experience of when you take that draw and you feel the "heated air" but know you're not going to get the cloud. Then we crank it up a notch, go again, and maybe that's better. Sometimes, when that air feels like it's plenty hot enough, I'd predicted with fair odds that I had a sub-par (not dry enough, low-potency crumbs, etc) load in the chamber.

Notwithstanding that, just as often I find that doing that "second click" thing immediately after the sub-par hit suddenly has me choking on a cloud. Go figure.

Question: This is insane. Who the hell is able to draw for NINETY seconds? I have pretty big lungs but I don’t think I can draw for more than 30 second. I also got schooled up on this very topic about getting long steady draws and not “short and hard”, and “you have to draw faster than with other vapes” like it says.

That does sound insane on surface, but perhaps (like with the Firewood), a (slow) draw of 60 seconds implies an exhale or two in between multiple draws.

 

[PPN]

I have to say things are running smoothly with my Hopper since I had to deal with overheating issues/led sequence small issues. In another hand I use it more like it is designed and rarely kill a bowl hit after hit, battery life seems to improve with time too... is it possible?

 

[Baron23]

Baron, I know you know what you're doing, so this is just to relate and maybe share that when I have this happening, I question the herb dryness and even its potency.

Hi Joe - thanks for the thoughts. Been using the same exact herb...not strain but the same batch...prepared the same.

Thanks again.

 

[MoltenTiger]

I have a GH since a couple of months but I have never heard of a V.2 Grasshopper. Vaposhop claims they store this new version out in Europe since November 2017. There’s no mention of it in HL official sire but I could have misread.
The question is, a friend of mine is debating if getting a GH.
The info page lists a lot of minor improvements over the first version.
Would you better get a SS refurbished GH for 129€ or a new V2 SS GH for 225€?
https://www.vaposhop.com/vaporizers/pen-vaporizers/grasshopper-vaporizer/
Warranty is one year for the refurbished v1 and 2 for the v2.
Registering the new unit on HL you get lifetime warranty, how does it applies to non Americans customers?

Third question:
I’m reading this from the HL Tips and Tricks page:
“
3. Take Short, Firm Draws
Other vapes require a slow and steady draw that lasts between 30 and 90 seconds. This type of draw is not ideal for the Grasshopper. The Grasshopper comes equipped with a very powerful 45-watt heater, a microcontroller to monitor temperature in real-time and a very short vapor path. Its design allows for quick and easy vaporization. Your draw should be faster than with other vapes and last 15-20 seconds. Near the end of your draw, click the device off to allow for all the vapor and warm air to be cleared from the chamber. ”

Question: This is insane. Who the hell is able to draw for NINETY seconds? I have pretty big lungs but I don’t think I can draw for more than 30 second. I also got schooled up on this very topic about getting long steady draws and not “short and hard”, and “you have to draw faster than with other vapes” like it says.
Which vapes? Of course the non existent vapes in which you draw for 90 seconds.
When I pulled the GH hard like it says I got wispy vapor and burning lips (and was debating if returning it or not). Maybe I have a GH on the cool side? I feel like I have to do the opposite: draw very slowly, slower than any other vape. Sipping like if it’s a MFLB. That way I get clouds.

Interesting pick up!

I believe this is referring simply to the most up-to-date Grasshopper design.
HL have constantly been adapting it to better deal with the many issues that occurred in the field.
It's been very evident that the prototyping of this device, from hobbyists at the time, was fairly limited.
So, over the course of backers units, to pre-order units and retail product, there have been a bunch of changes.

If I was to speculate, perhaps the timing of recent discussion of new warranty protocols

posted to reddit 13 days ago

And this claim from vaposhop

Grasshopper
We now carry the latest and improved version of the Grasshopper vaporizer.

Grasshopper V2 Improvements
This is the latest and improved version of the Grasshopper vaporizer. It was released in Europe in November 2017 and features a large number of both small and bigger improvements in the internals for an even smoother experience. Improvements include:

• Gold plating on the electrical surfaces reducing the heating in the back and housing
• Grasshopper battery V2
• Better Backend Dial action (Smoother)
• The On/Off button now will work in either position, making use more intuitive
• Completely redesigned temperature sensor (fully eliminates red/blue flash error)
• New Heater design for 20% more power and much greater reliablity
• Decreased draw resistance

Are they a little connected?

That list is pretty interesting, 20% more power, less draw resistance... not bad not bad.

We've seen reports on FC about the absence of the double-click power on thing with newer back-ends.

Perhaps Vaposhop just got new stock after some months of sitting on their old units? V2 to them.


BTW A second hand hopper will get updated with the new components as necessary, just like whoever's transcript is above is getting the good good.

Really the greatest thing is HL's apparent claim of much greater reliability from Nov '17, and how they're still around - which many doubted.

This makes me feel comfortable going in to my 5th device warranty in 2 years (per hopper no less), the first 3 were totally free mind. Back in the day of them sending out replacements.

I'd have no qualms about getting a second-hand hopper, as long as the warranty is considered in the asking price and is considered by the potential buyer.

I'm sitting next to a Sublimator and a VapCap M, so two dead hoppers is nothing much to deal with but it's something still

 

[Baron23]

Interesting pick up!

I believe this is referring simply to the most up-to-date Grasshopper design.
HL have constantly been adapting it to better deal with the many issues that occurred in the field.
It's been very evident that the prototyping of this device, from hobbyists at the time, was fairly limited.
So, over the course of backers units, to pre-order units and retail product, there have been a bunch of changes.

If I was to speculate, perhaps the timing of recent discussion of new warranty protocols

And this claim from vaposhop


Are they a little connected?

That list is pretty interesting, 20% more power, less draw resistance... not bad not bad.

We've seen reports on FC about the absence of the double-click power on thing with newer back-ends.

Perhaps Vaposhop just got new stock after some months of sitting on their old units? V2 to them.


BTW A second hand hopper will get updated with the new components as necessary, just like whoever's transcript is above is getting the good good.

Really the greatest thing is HL's apparent claim of much greater reliability from Nov '17, and how they're still around - which many doubted.

This makes me feel comfortable going in to my 5th device warranty in 2 years (per hopper no less), the first 3 were totally free mind. Back in the day of them sending out replacements.

I'd have no qualms about getting a second-hand hopper, as long as the warranty is considered in the asking price and is considered by the potential buyer.

I'm sitting next to a Sublimator and a VapCap M, so two dead hoppers is nothing much to deal with but it's something still

Any idea wtf this is about:

"The On/Off button now will work in either position, making use more intuitive"

What 'either position" are they talking about?

Anybody know...or did I already know and that brain cell died! LOL

 

[MoltenTiger]

Any idea wtf this is about:

"The On/Off button now will work in either position, making use more intuitive"

What 'either position" are they talking about?

Anybody know...or did I already know and that brain cell died! LOL

you know how if you leave the grasshopper, it normally shuts off by itself, leaving it in a 'standby' mode.
OG GH's you had to click it 'off' and then click it again 'on'. Two clicks.

New units don't do that, you just click it once and it will turn on.

 

[CarolKing]

My hopper was sent back to me in June and mine only needs one click to turn it on or off. I've been using mine ever since with no problems.

I'm still nervous when I turn mine on. Love this vaporizer. The stealth aspect of this unit is a nice thing to have when vaping on the go or you need to be cordless. I have 8 batteries, they will degrade over time depending on the use.

 

[Baron23]

you know how if you leave the grasshopper, it normally shuts off by itself, leaving it in a 'standby' mode.
OG GH's you had to click it 'off' and then click it again 'on'. Two clicks.

New units don't do that, you just click it once and it will turn on.

Ah....thank you. I actually don't think I have ever hit the time out on my GH.

Thanks again for the quick response

 

[Hammahead]

GHL said that they have new components now and that the flashing/flickering blue is normal on the pull and it should still produce vapor.

Apparently I have a new model now and when I tried it the first time I was soo annoyed by that flickering blue light, as with my first Hopper this would vaguely indicate trouble and would like initiate hot backend, short battery life and so on. Not this time. I googled it, found it's supposed to be normal with the "new" units and everything's fine (til now). I get a solid 3 bowls per battery and only have warm backend after several draws. I'm loving it, but frankly speaking, wouldn't be really surprised if it went to sh!t anytime soon. As I said: my current mindset is that I enjoy the time we have together and have some backup if it happens.

you know how if you leave the grasshopper, it normally shuts off by itself, leaving it in a 'standby' mode.
OG GH's you had to click it 'off' and then click it again 'on'. Two clicks.

New units don't do that, you just click it once and it will turn on.

In an earlier post I mentioned my new Hopper did not have this bug/feature of heating up when you just move the clicker a few mm so it gets contact. Seems it's a bit different than I thought. I let my new Hopper lie on the table til the lights got out and there this bug/feature was again. As I wrote earlier, I'm not too fond of that in general. So without thinking too much, I just clicked it to turn it on, and waited until it shut down again, and was back to what I wanted: no heating up without a massive click on purpose. All hail the new backend!

 

[Hjalmark]

Here is avb from old hopper on 4,5 left and on the right is avb from new hopper on 4-5

4 seams nearly same as 5 but it's kicking ass with longer battery life

Feel like this baby is going to burn out bright and fast

I give her about a month