Discontinued The Grasshopper

[midgetsanchez]

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But hopefully there is some partition behind the heater and air intake that stops the most electronics/wires from being in the airpath.



If there was a partition and no wires/leds than nothing would happen except heated air blowing out the intake holes. But you might melt the led with hot air and if there is no partition you can be blowing hot air all the way down to the circuitry in the end cap which would likely desolder some chips.

I don't think this would be possible; the battery etc is isolated.

I don't know about the LED's but I can tell the battery -onwards appears to be a completely separate partition. This is good because there's no way the battery could vent into the airpath or anything, and also it seems to be insulated. I noticed that even if the unit got hot, the battery stays relatively cool. Good stuff.

 

[Kalessin]

Do people wanting them to use gloves while assembling the vape plan on wearing gloves when they handle the herb while loading it?

No, I don't, but I also am not going to be able to be touching the heating element and leaving skin oil residue on it.

 

[blankexpression]

Trevor mentioned it's probably oil, but oil from hands?? I think it's more likely oil from the turning process of the hoppers SS casing.

 

[vapemon]

Sorry another question, can you tape the leds with black tape or are the leds the air inlet holes?

 

[inuhuion]

Sorry another question, can you tape the leds with black tape or are the leds the air inlet holes?

the leds shine through the air holes, so no, can't tape 'em up.

 

[Jared]

No, I don't, but I also am not going to be able to be touching the heating element and leaving skin oil residue on it.

To add to this - I'm not going to be wearing gloves while I'm eating, but I sure hope the people who prepared my food were.

 

[delloy]

Trevor mentioned it's probably oil, but oil from hands?? I think it's more likely oil from the turning process of the hoppers SS casing.

I agree. There was never any mention of hands and that this was caused by assembly. I would imagine it is left over residual oils from the manufacturing process.

 

[Dafni]

Anyone of you lucky early GH owners ever thought about adding a concentrate on cotton??

I imagine it would work just fine, as it is apparently a true convection vape. I know it works great in logvapes and the Lotus and similar designs. Don't see why it shouldn't work in the GH.

I realize there are pens that are purpose built for concentrates, but still, would be awesome if there was a convection dab pen.

 

[BaMbAaAChA]

They ll make oil end too, so Yes it will work for sure !!!

 

[vapebuddy13]

They ll make oil end too, so Yes it will work for sure !!!

Yeah but it will be a bit before it's ready for them to sell.

 

[RBW]

I don't think this would be possible; the battery etc is isolated.

I don't know about the LED's but I can tell the battery -onwards appears to be a completely separate partition. This is good because there's no way the battery could vent into the airpath or anything, and also it seems to be insulated. I noticed that even if the unit got hot, the battery stays relatively cool. Good stuff.

On a different note, I would be much more concerned about wires/led in the airpath on a conduction/radiation vape. But the GH being an on demand convection vape, these components are not in the post-heated airpath, so as long as they are far enough away from the heater, it wouldn't be any less health-promoting than inhaling air passing over any other room-temp electronics right? Unless the chinese use lead in their electronics?

But hopefully there is some partition behind the heater and air intake that stops the most electronics/wires from being in the airpath.



If there was a partition and no wires/leds than nothing would happen except heated air blowing out the intake holes. But you might melt the led with hot air and if there is no partition you can be blowing hot air all the way down to the circuitry in the end cap which would likely desolder some chips.

@midgetsanchez Does the area around the intake holes/leds get hot with use? How about if you leave the unit on without drawing?

The holes are right next to the heater so I would have thought it would get quite hot.

 

[peaceonearth]

I agree. There was never any mention of hands and that this was caused by assembly. I would imagine it is left over residual oils from the manufacturing process.

The post by @midgetsanchez included this quote from Trevor: "The referenced off "off gassing" is oil from our hands. We have to handle the heater and screen extensively when installing them and were not wearing gloves. We have used the heaters externally, on test rigs, and anytime they are handled they produce vapor from the oil on your hands for quite a bit of time after. The oil on your skin seems to be just right for vaping haha. There is nothing in the air path that has mass loss at the temperatures the vape operates at. The smell of the vape until used a bit should be associated with new hot metal. Sorry about any worry it caused!"

If they can't use gloves for some reason (i.e. the work is too fine/detailed and gloves hinder?) I would rather they include an insert with the instructions, explaining how to burn off the residue before use... rather than them doing it as part of the production process and causing further delays. A simple paper insert would be sufficient IMO.

 

[delloy]

Ah ok thx @peaceonearth I must have missed that! I usually check my facts before replying to a post, must have been an early morning lapse

Although I still find that quite hard to believe that a minor trace of oil from hands is causing this issue.

 

[paytonpenn]

Is it only me who likes to iso his new products. Did any gH owner do that before going all in.

@Dafni when I receive my units I will be testing with oils. And EJMix.

 

[Andreaerdna]

Hope at GH labs they clean their hands very well after being to the toilet, otherwise offgassing will be even more smelly..
Ayway I hope you clean with iso the whole item before using it otherwise there is the risk of kissing someone's butt (by the law of tranfert) while hitting GH :-))

 

[EdE80]

Lol indeed that's my Scoop-N-Stir tool. I have a new revised version currently at the Shapeways. As soon as I handle the latest revision, I'll make the call to list them for sale on my Shapeways store, and begin stocking the most popular finishes on my Delta3DStudios.com store (I'm thinking Stainless Steel and Gold to start)

So far my stir tool has worked great with every vaporizer I use (E-Nano, LSV and Ascent), We'll see what size diameter the GH oven is, I may need to tweak the design to make it *perfect* for the GH, but so far I'm loving my scoop tool prototype

Do you think you could design a funnel and tamping tool for the GH oven? I was thinking they would be nice to have with the narrowness of the oven

 

[Bravesst]

Does it make a difference which GH you get, titanium or stainless? And are they kidding with September? Any place else to get this guy?

 

[paytonpenn]

And are they kidding with September? Any place else to get this guy?

Are you kidding with that question like less than a handful of people have theirs and they had to request early delivery to sacrifice not having all the items.

I'm assuming you just weren't aware but this thing also has a huge waitlist of 3000+ more units and a million setbacks. Or maybe you meant September was pretty unrealistic as those pre-orders aren't getting their units until October.

In the end I don't really think it matters which Hopper you get.

 

[vapebuddy13]

Does it make a difference which GH you get, titanium or stainless? And are they kidding with September? Any place else to get this guy?

This is just finally being produced after a very long wait so no there isn't anywhere else (unless one of the backers who bought the retail package and sell them somewhere)
They went from July to Sept prob just to be safe and allow them to catch up on orders so they can finally get to the point of shipping as ordered. Its a great unit(so it seems) and imo worth the wait

 

[Mister G]

You know, a lot of bubblers will push air in the "wrong" direction after you stop sucking on them. Because will you inhale, you draw water up towards the mouthpiece, and when the water drops back down, it push air back the other way.

I think my d-20 does this.

Yes, that's known as vapor "recoil". I have a couple Dhgate pieces which do this, so I switched to ones that don't. People may need to remember to pull the Hopper off before clearing a water tool to avoid it.

 

[zymos]

I think the "oil from our hands" explanation is total bullshit. Does anyone think that the amount of skin oils that could be transferred by simply handling that tiny heater is enough to make visible vapor for SEVERAL heating cycles?
As long as it can burned off, guess it doesn't really matter, but I don't buy it...

 

[Kalessin]

It does seem like a weird explanation, but, at the same time...If it was something else, and it was so easy to burn off, wouldn't they just do that to avoid the skepticism? Maybe I'm just too optimistic, which in itself seems unlikely, but I don't see why they would leave something on there if it wasn't something entirely innocuous, since it's so easy to get rid of.

 

[Mister G]

I think the "oil from our hands" explanation is total bullshit. Does anyone think that the amount of skin oils that could be transferred by simply handling that tiny heater is enough to make visible vapor for SEVERAL heating cycles?
As long as it can burned off, guess it doesn't really matter, but I don't buy it...

I find the explanation plausible but skepticism is good. I'm equally skeptical that someone did a burnoff and witnessed burnoff vapor for 15 cycles, I wasn't there to see that either.

 

[Skeena]

Thermovape cera gets very hot on the outside, I do not see the oils from my skin producing vapor off of it.

 

[Kalessin]

It gets up to 350 degrees on the outside? That's extreme.