I am with @Jill NYC, caps are only for out and about with my Mighty and never in my Plenty, like driving a car with the hand brake on!.
Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
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I am with @Jill NYC, caps are only for out and about with my Mighty and never in my Plenty, like driving a car with the hand brake on!.
Lol! I am a light weight, it's more like I am little kid with training wheels!!! Weeeeee!!! I have low tolerances, and if I want more I just pop in another cap. It's so easy.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
100%!
Edit: Trying to get one started.. it's up to the mods since I don't have the ability to start a new thread in a Vape Forum. Then again, the Crafty(-)? is now discontinued as well right?
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BigC’sTowing
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It is an odd name change. Will the crafty come in two flavors down the road? Super+, etc. There is definitely a long term naming and release schedule.
The crafty is the crafty +or- so this thread will probably be it. IMO
Like the firefly
Like the firefly
Nolan Kinshella
Well-Known Member
New episode of Modern Cannabists goes into some good detail on Crafty+, not to mention a great show in general.
CANtalk
Well-Known Member
The whole Crafty pass-through charging discussion seems to be a gong show everywhere lately 
. For the sake of clarity here, let's equate pass-through charging as being able to plug in and use the vape, as others have done (including Austyn in the video above). The Vapelife forum Crafty thread has the wrong information on this if anyone who is a member there wishes to correct it.
Yes, the original Crafty has pass-through charging; there's been lots of internet acknowledgement of this and it's been a listed feature of the vape for a long time. The one caveat is that the Crafty battery has to be at 20% charge for pass-through charging to work on it; this is because the Crafty heater power requirements are higher than the micro USB battery charging circuit is capable of. Hence the need for a bit of a battery reserve to use the vape. Essentially the electrical wall outlet power is no longer used to charge the battery and instead used to run the vape (plus a bit of battery power). I own a Crafty and have used the pass-through charging a number of times (plugged in use with a low battery) when I had forgotten to recharge the unit and went to use it. And I've done it enough times to have come up against and flirted with the 20% minimum battery charge requirement.
And it very much sounds like the Crafty+ is the same thing and has pass-through charging. The discussion starts around 14:30. @stickstones in the video above mentions that he can turn the Crafty+ on while plugged in and it the vape runs; that's pass-through charging. He also mentions the battery stops charging at that point by observing the app information in real-time. This makes sense because, like the original Crafty, the similar/same micro USB charging circuit on the Crafty+ is not powerful enough to directly power the vape as well as charge the battery "at the same time". Thus, it sounds to me from the dialog that a low battery Crafty+ can be plugged in and used, and that's pass-through charging (likely with the same 20% battery minimum requirement). In the end, it doesn't matter that the app says the battery is no longer charging and it's not relevant to determining or identifying pass-through charging. @stickstones, thx for contributing information and feedback on the use of these vapes
... this is my understanding of the pass though charging topic and your experience. What are your thoughts? And thx for any feedback 
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. For the sake of clarity here, let's equate pass-through charging as being able to plug in and use the vape, as others have done (including Austyn in the video above). The Vapelife forum Crafty thread has the wrong information on this if anyone who is a member there wishes to correct it.Yes, the original Crafty has pass-through charging; there's been lots of internet acknowledgement of this and it's been a listed feature of the vape for a long time. The one caveat is that the Crafty battery has to be at 20% charge for pass-through charging to work on it; this is because the Crafty heater power requirements are higher than the micro USB battery charging circuit is capable of. Hence the need for a bit of a battery reserve to use the vape. Essentially the electrical wall outlet power is no longer used to charge the battery and instead used to run the vape (plus a bit of battery power). I own a Crafty and have used the pass-through charging a number of times (plugged in use with a low battery) when I had forgotten to recharge the unit and went to use it. And I've done it enough times to have come up against and flirted with the 20% minimum battery charge requirement.
And it very much sounds like the Crafty+ is the same thing and has pass-through charging. The discussion starts around 14:30. @stickstones in the video above mentions that he can turn the Crafty+ on while plugged in and it the vape runs; that's pass-through charging. He also mentions the battery stops charging at that point by observing the app information in real-time. This makes sense because, like the original Crafty, the similar/same micro USB charging circuit on the Crafty+ is not powerful enough to directly power the vape as well as charge the battery "at the same time". Thus, it sounds to me from the dialog that a low battery Crafty+ can be plugged in and used, and that's pass-through charging (likely with the same 20% battery minimum requirement). In the end, it doesn't matter that the app says the battery is no longer charging and it's not relevant to determining or identifying pass-through charging. @stickstones, thx for contributing information and feedback on the use of these vapes
... this is my understanding of the pass though charging topic and your experience. What are your thoughts? And thx for any feedback .
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vapviking
Old & In the Way
Hi, @CANtalk , I pretty much agree with all of your explanation about the function of Crafty's pass thru charging.
For my use during the time I had Crafty it could simply not keep up with me (& some teamwork from my wife). So the drawback was that it would still run down when in use whether plugged or not, then to recharge to full would also take a while since the usb is a turtle.
The answer for me was Mighty, which as we know, can run plugged even when the battery is down, and even gain charge in between draws as the heater idles; net is that you can finish a multi-bowl session and still be almost fully charged for on the go.
But I know the discussion hovers more around Crafty+, which does look like it has the oomf to do a lot better overall in the power department, bringing it much close to current Mighty.
For my use during the time I had Crafty it could simply not keep up with me (& some teamwork from my wife). So the drawback was that it would still run down when in use whether plugged or not, then to recharge to full would also take a while since the usb is a turtle.
The answer for me was Mighty, which as we know, can run plugged even when the battery is down, and even gain charge in between draws as the heater idles; net is that you can finish a multi-bowl session and still be almost fully charged for on the go.
But I know the discussion hovers more around Crafty+, which does look like it has the oomf to do a lot better overall in the power department, bringing it much close to current Mighty.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
https://www.storz-bickel.com/en-us/crafty-plus?___store=us_storz_bickel_en
The Crafty is now discontinued by Storz & Bickel, replaced by the Crafty+!
The Crafty is now discontinued by Storz & Bickel, replaced by the Crafty+!
Jill NYC
Portable Hoarder
FYI - The Firefly Plus has its own thread.
It's too bad these are still electronically governed to not reach the same max temperature as the flagship Volcano.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Neither is the plug in beast, The Plenty. I personally don't mind, as I feel that 210c is plenty of heat for purer vaporization, especially with the cooling units. Not too mention heater/battery limitations, and more convection than say, the Solo 2.
I feel ya my brotha, I think it just depends on the condition, my friend with the Mighty seems to have gone back to combustion... doesn't seem to get the chronic pain relief with vaping like smoking a bong hit?
Could be mental though, hard to freakin say!
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Combustion/bong hits are a completely different
. He may be better off with something that has much more conduction/hotter temps like the Solo 2 perhaps.I think S&B aims more toward the "healthier" side of things, since they do have medical certified devices, which I do believe includes the Mighty Medic and Volcano medic.
Looking forward to reports from the Crafty+ early adopters. Nice to see the warranty bump up to 3 years with S&B (if registered).
My only concern as it was with the Crafty was the rapidly degrading battery. But that's when @JCat mods comes to the rescue!?
Or perhaps the new circuitry will help prevent it? 
You’ll still have the battery dying eventually; so I’ll of course end up offering battery replacements for any devices out of warranty.Combustion/bong hits are a completely different
I think S&B aims more toward the "healthier" side of things, since they do have medical certified devices, which I do believe includes the Mighty Medic and Volcano medic.
Looking forward to reports from the Crafty+ early adopters. Nice to see the warranty bump up to 3 years with S&B (if registered).
My only concern as it was with the Crafty was the rapidly degrading battery. But that's when @JCat mods comes to the rescue!?
How soon the battery dies will be dependant on usage of course ... if you always run it down, you’ll get less cycles and it will be harder on it (it’s a 27w heater so peak current draw is 6.5-7.5A or so depending on battery voltage)
IMO S&B only released the vape with this feature so people would destroy their batteries even faster foe the extra service work. Never use the pass-through charging unless you have to.
I think we need a new Dynavap thread as the original glass version is no longer available.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
IMO S&B only released the vape with this feature so people would destroy their batteries even faster foe the extra service work. Never use the pass-through charging unless you have to.
Conspiracy!
I think we need a new Dynavap thread as the original glass version is no longer available.
Not sure what that has to do with the new improved Crafty+ that competes with the Mighty. But like the mods told me, why don't you make one?
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CANtalk
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IMO S&B only released the vape with this feature so people would destroy their batteries even faster foe the extra service work. Never use the pass-through charging unless you have to.
I think we need a new Dynavap thread as the original glass version is no longer available.
I don't necessarily agree with the first point
as I think that pass-through charging is there to minimize vape down-time (which it does well)... but I do agree on the second point very much 
. That is, only use pass-through when you "have" to on the Crafty. Because repetitively over-discharging the battery wears it out faster.My own Crafty experience is now over 5 years, and my own unit is in the 150 hour range with just over three years of use. At this time it probably has ~ 1.3 hours of that overall use in pass-through charging (~ 20 different 4 minute sessions... under 1% of total use
). At that usage rate my Crafty has performed great here (I don't use it daily).I agree it's too bad this thread may be chopped up. I enjoy paying homage and using the same thread when the manufacturer uses the same name in vape branding. It's also related to my respect and encouragement of big post count threads on a forum
. However, I'm not a mod or FC owner and defer to them by all means whatever their decision is.YMMV. Enjoy the Crafty and Crafty+
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cheeseholidays
Well-Known Member
I have one in hand.
vapviking
Old & In the Way
I've used Mighty a lot plugged-in and it's about 3-1/2 years old, with a lot of time on it. We'll have to see how the track record for Crafty+ develops.
@biohacker , yes the definitions/functions of 'pass-thru charging' can be more complex and specific than we've been talking here. I think @CANtalk was using it as a term of art, mainly just in the context of Crafty (then I extended it to Mighty).
I also defer to others' judgement but where does this leave Crafty peeps who want to discuss things?
So far, here, I guess, if I'm still posting!
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
where does this leave Crafty peeps who want to discuss things?
So far, here, I guess, if I'm still posting!
Of course here, just because a vape is discontinued it doesn't mean it still doesn't exist. Look at the OG Solo thread still going.
Crafty + is a crafty isn't it?
Now let's talk about upgrades to the other thread ??
No, it's a Crafty+. It's hard enough to search for info with threads that are already massive and years old, let alone discussing different features and upgrades. Did you not watch the Modern Cannabist's confusion at the start?
This will allow for less confusion between the two, especially since this one is no longer being made.
And what's the big deal anyways, it's just another thread! It's not like I didn't ask the mods before, and as you know they have to approve of it first. If you're not happy with it and you and @LesPlenty are
then perhaps you should take it up with the mods? This complaining is definitely not helping steer the direction of this Crafty thread.It's almost like you're whining/jealous because you aren't part of the new Crafty+ Club or something. Anyways, i'll let you all be as I have no interest in the Crafty, but will be in the Crafty+ thread since that's what I do have interest in, since it competes with its bigger brother, unlike this discontinued Crafty. Bye now!
