BigC’sTowing
Well-Known Member
How often do you use the Crafty/Mighty filling aid?
Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
- Thread starter Roger D
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Hmmm so how much better is the battery? And what can we expect to be covered by warranty considering the shambles theyve had with the last model? I really wanted a crafty but without a removable battery i need to know its gonna hold its own for at least a few bowls
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
It's significant. Preliminary reports have indicated that it's about double from the Crafty at 6+ bowls according to @ohmygodimsohigh , however things like connecting to BT, temp etc will obviously affect it. It also heats up much faster, about 30%. I'm just curious how quickly it will degrade from new, because the OG Crafty plummeted quickly.
Other than the lack of a digital screen, it's competing heavily with the Mighty now. Since they didn't raise the price on Crafty+, it's a pretty good buy for a portable overall, and quite possibly the best on the market considering its form factor. The triple click to max temp is also an appreciated feature now.
I've never had to use their warranty, but it's been spectacular in the past with simply new in box units being sent out, if the claim was legitimate. Of course, there may always be fuckery and CS issues with this company as well, so there's that. I personally have mixed feelings about it, but buying from @PuffItUp would probably quell that, since I think he processes the RMA's for you AFAIK.
Thanks for that info dude. I'm very interested in this now
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Anytime! Check out the recent Modern Cannabists episode for more info, as well as @ohmygodimsohigh has a video on it, and that dude is funny AF! I'm very interested in this too as well!
BestBuds
The Dude
S&B not including the accessories anymore with the crafty + is like buying new nike shoes but there are no laces because they upgraded the insole. A marginally better heat up time and a battery that functions the way it should have a few years ago is not enough of a + to start taking away accessories and have it be justified. Imo
This is S&B showing in a definitive way that they now care more about the $ than the culture/movement/herb/consumer.
This is S&B showing in a definitive way that they now care more about the $ than the culture/movement/herb/consumer.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Definitely agree on the battery, but 30% faster heat up is marginal? What accessories are not included anymore? AFAIK, they removed the sick wooden horse hair brush.
- 1 pc. CRAFTY+ Vaporizer
- 1 pc. USB Cable
- 3 pcs. Base Seal Ring, small
- 3 pcs. Normal Screen, small
- 3 pcs. Coarse Screen, small
- 2 pcs. Drip Pad, small
- 1 pc. Dosing Capsule
- 1 pc. Instruction for Use (concise)
- 1 pc. Safety Instructions
Nothing new here
BestBuds
The Dude
30% faster heat up time is not worth the hype and the "new product launch" they did. There is more they don't include besides the brush. The herb funnel is another piece.Definitely agree on the battery, but 30% faster heat up is marginal? What accessories are not included anymore? AFAIK, they removed the sick wooden horse hair brush.
Nothing new here
But it's small inexpensive stuff they are no longer including. That's why I compared it to not getting laces with your new shoes. They are laces! Throw them in to make your customers happy! They don't cost that much!
I am just being a baby. I had so many hopes for the S&B refresh and none of the things that were super important were done. If they gave me a battery door I wouldn't care about how long the battery lasts and I would be happy knowing that once my battery died my vape wasn't a brick. Make it a proprietary battery for all I care!
ugh! It makes me crazy!
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
What hype? They replaced the Crafty with the + at the exact same price. Okay, so they eliminated the brush and filling tool, both of which many people never even used, that are only worth a few bucks. In exchange, they created the vape with the battery that it should have had (actually the circuit board). Would you have preferred no changes? The max temp triple click is also quite valuable.
Throw them in to make your customers happy! They don't cost that much!
Not really sure how much happier they would make customers, and the costs do add up, and they did start including dosing capsules a while back.
I am just being a baby. I had so many hopes for the S&B refresh and none of the things that were super important were done. If they gave me a battery door I wouldn't care about how long the battery lasts and I would be happy knowing that once my battery died my vape wasn't a brick. Make it a proprietary battery for all I care!
I feel you on the swappable batteries, but that won't happen. It's pretty sad considering the lack of battery longevity, but they have a busine$$ model that keeps them profitable, and customers continue to support them due to lack of options/competition. I feel that the most important refresh is the change to circuitry/battery that now rivals the Mighty. That in itself is massive, especially considering the price is the same.
I'm no fanboy and cringe at some S&B CS stories, but i'm always happy to see new stuff from established companies in this industry. Or even new companies but I haven't seen anything worth the time. Although the Grasshopper looks like it may be time for "retail" in time
I don't know what it is about that thing, but I just love using it. Even if it's just a bowls amount that I have ground up, I'll load it in there and twist it on top. It's unique or something? soothing?
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
It definitely prevents messy loading for OCD types like me!
I always cringed at crumbs around the outside of the bowl. It's definitely an effective tool, but not for everyone.
Vaporcussion
Well-Known Member
The OG Crafty (which I bought for $400) had 4 bowls per charge out of the gate, then went down to 3. Then, S&B came out with 20% more battery power version, and that was 6 bowls per charge. I assumed now, it would be 8 bowls per charge? Doesn't exactly seem like double, unless you compare it to the OG Crafty. I welcome the update, but don't think it warranted a + sign. I ended up trading that first Crafty in for a Mighty, and never looked back. Waiting for a Mighty +
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biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
blackstone
Well-Known Member
Never since capsules, I think I had stopped using it before that also.
I'm one of the few who liked those grinders but I went and got one of the larger ones and I prefer that, so I have about 3 of those small ones brand new, and two filling aids laying there doing nothing,
and I also thought of these comments in the Volcano Hybrid thread:
Plus I met this guy lately who really strongly dislikes most uses of plastic for the slow break down in the environment if any alternative exists at all, made me think a bit.
Many people have fancy grinders, and maybe they got complaints about plastic use, or misinterpreted complaints about using too much plastic in their vapes haha!
I prefer no orange plastic bits to a more expensive Crafty+ too, and I'm glad the brush is still on the site cheap if I do need a new one.
Although when selling a vape used it was nice to have the unused grinders to include!
That first guy on instagram was saying 9 plus bowls I think, but he was unaware of the triple press boost to full temperature.
As biohacker said it could depend on factors too. I know ohmygodimsohigh is using some pretty resinous HQ looking material at times!
The faster heat up, increased airflow and ability to blast through a tiny load quickly might be very useful to me, I never needed much more battery than the 20% more batt model i have.
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biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
Oh man, did you see @VCBud early review/live feed on it?
I still can't stop laughing, shit was PURE GOLD! I think he really likes that filling tool!https://forum.vapelife.com/discussion/6066/crafty-/p5
You're the best Bud! You should be a comedian bro!
blackstone
Well-Known Member
Oh man, did you see @VCBud early review/live feed on it?
I didn't see it yet (thanks for the link), but I think I remember him liking that filler back in the day.
He'll be pleased to know they still stock it cheap on their site! Reduce Reuse Recycle,
Save our oceans
Quite intriguing, indeed….
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
I think the plus is fine. Id hope a Crafty 2 is actually different this is essentially the Crafty S like how Apple makes their second iteration with minor improvements.
I'm about 2 hours in on use and its actually not a bad device. A bit pricey still.. 180 would be more just but definitely an improvement over a lot of chinese or rebranded models overall.
I'm about 2 hours in on use and its actually not a bad device. A bit pricey still.. 180 would be more just but definitely an improvement over a lot of chinese or rebranded models overall.
xhighflyerx23mjx
Well-Known Member
With the Crafty plus out, any word if the original Crafty will be discounted?
Jill NYC
Portable Hoarder
PuffItUp has it at 20% off. I am sure they are all clearing out stock to make room for plus.
it feels like the Crafty+ (and other S&B products) are designed so that medical users with no prior knowledge can just pick them up and go with minimal upkeep and no worry of combustion.
the comparatively high prices of their products, along with the capped "boost" temperatures that leaves an ABV with an appearance of leftover cannabinoids, and an aesthetic that isn't commensurate with the premium price... all these things are probably not a big deal if your medicine is subsidized by health insurance.
but i'm all about straddling that razor's edge between combustion and vaporization, sourcing black market underground dope and scrounging up every dropped flake so that nothing goes to waste. all of this in the name of pure hedonistic recreational usage of course...
so why do i want the crafty+ so bad?
anyone going to forego waiting for Black Friday sales and just pulling the trigger now? i'm not sure what discount will be available on such a new product... probably not enough to offset the extra 2 weeks i could enjoy it.
the comparatively high prices of their products, along with the capped "boost" temperatures that leaves an ABV with an appearance of leftover cannabinoids, and an aesthetic that isn't commensurate with the premium price... all these things are probably not a big deal if your medicine is subsidized by health insurance.
but i'm all about straddling that razor's edge between combustion and vaporization, sourcing black market underground dope and scrounging up every dropped flake so that nothing goes to waste. all of this in the name of pure hedonistic recreational usage of course...
so why do i want the crafty+ so bad?
anyone going to forego waiting for Black Friday sales and just pulling the trigger now? i'm not sure what discount will be available on such a new product... probably not enough to offset the extra 2 weeks i could enjoy it.
Vape_Or_Die420
Well-Known Member
Think about how much money you spend on herb. Combustion ruines more cannabinoids than vaping. You will absolutely need less herb in a vape to get high. Even if you buy the new volcano, it will pay for itself in time if you use it.
BigC’sTowing
Well-Known Member
I don’t see the Crafty getting any breaks other than affiliate links from reviewers.
I'm already on team vaping. It's more a consideration of the cannabinoid profile.
Let's say the Crafty+ extracts 80% of the available cannabinoids while hypothetically producing about 2ppm of carcinogens. I'm not sure how one would go about quantifying the actual physiological harm of vaping herbs (now Vitamin E acetate free!) but it's generally accepted that lower temperatures will be safer, and that is important for medical users with weaker immune systems.
On the other hand, we have some vaporizers that can extract 98% of the cannabinoids, producing more carcinogens but also nearly fully extracting what is contained in the plant. Those higher temperature cannabinoids that only extract at 410 degrees+ probably have some medical and psychoactive properties, and sacrificing those shouldn't have to be part of the equation in a $300 product.
but people love their S&B products so there must be something to their special blend of conduction/convection heating... seems like something that needs to be experienced more than told about...
Great. I'll just have to see who gets taken off the Christmas list now so I can buy one.
blackstone
Well-Known Member
I don't know how far along your vaping journey you are, but there was a few things i did at the start, and some things i thought would never be for me.
I wanted the abv to be nearly black for fear there was anything left inside, (actually smoked the abv to confirm it was pointless) and I thought I would never use a water pipe as it might be so wasteful and lose taste.
And that people using warm water were just being really silly!
(When I told one combustion pal that some vapers use a bong he said "They must be real pussies"!)
Eventually I was content with what I was getting without the black ABV and now I use mostly warm water at home.
Often I'll blast full bowls of ground Crafty/Mighty ABV in a volcano at 220c or full 230c, but the taste and effects are hardly worth talking about,
But if people need that fair enough though.
I used to give some ABV to friend in need to smoke and he was dissapointed!
Or you can eat the ABV and you're getting everything then!?
If the vapor at full temp isnt doing it for you, you can heatsoak a smaller load in there for up to a minute to strech the limits of the upper range.
You can then increase the potency by increasing the load size, I almost bet you wouldn't handle a full load like this!
I was happy boosting my Crafty to only 207c, as 210 was generally avoided in Crafty until they made a known solid one. Like the rest of their vaporizers.
With capsules you can bring home your ABV very easily too, if you want to use it further, I do that!