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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by vtac, Oct 26, 2007.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Possible but no doubt less effective. It's not a 'stone' or 'filter' but a heat exchanger made of Silicone Carbide. Glass is an insulator, I doubt you'd ever get it hot enough before passing out.

    Take a careful look at it, it's made of a series of flat perforated plates sintered together, very high tech, really.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintering
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_carbide

    OF
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  2. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    My view is different than OF's, but he may have a point there!
    I don't think that the glass's "pores" could be as fine and intricate as those in the Ceramic Filter used by VG. Those large pores pass flame and even if kept at a distance, it would openly pass heat.
    The extreme nature of the VG Ceramic Filters porosity is an intricate web so deep, that it forms multiple baffles and obstructions.
  3. Egzoset

    Egzoset Vaporist v2.0

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    Salutations everybody,

    Since materials are on topic i'll use this opportunity to illustrate my final version:

    [​IMG]
    Starting with the left (bowl) side this is a screen preventing vegetal particules from making contact with my heat collector assembly, installed inside the top sphere. Next it's a piece of "shielding-deflector" glass which a metallic (aluminium) support holds in place, though i'd have prefered heat refractory material for this.

    Lets mention all of my ceramic filters suffered premature degradation, as a result of mechanical erosion caused during previous/successive moddings; have a look at the middle disc's left side, for example: this part needs to be encased by tripod support (separating the two rocks) or it just wouldn't fit anymore... At least i know it works great as is for me.

    The view below shows the bowl-side of my sphere with no screen on:

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    No (glass) shielding-deflector installed neither... Now that's inside:

    [​IMG]

    More exactly, this is without a front puck and double-ring retainer.

    ...

    No doubt the material's nature is an important variable but i've come to think that maybe the VG pipe concept should try to evolve past simple cylindrical shapes...

    [​IMG]

    E. G. What if VG pucks were non-linear in profile? What if those also came in different densities?... Etc.

    :peace:
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  4. basement farmer

    basement farmer My face is melting...

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    FWIW....

    I dropped a cannibalized filter from one VG into the bowl of another (Classic) and vaped some first attempt at BHO.

    Both attempts were successful. I did remove the screen and retaining ring from the bowl first and used a torch lighter to do the vaping.
  5. Egzoset

    Egzoset Vaporist v2.0

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    Salutations Basement Farmer,

    I think VaporGenie prefers to call them "Ceramic Filters", in opposition to "Sintered Ceramic".

    Though blue works as well i find my yellow flame much more relax...

    So, you've been using a red-hot refurbished VaporGenie "Ceramic Filter" for BHO melting, right?

    :peace:
  6. basement farmer

    basement farmer My face is melting...

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    Yep, I've never done BHO before, so really don't have a clue if my experience is what should be expected. But, I had numerous tasty vapor clouds and the effect was sudden, pleasant and long lasting. I did a one day abstain so to try it as a base level. Good enough that I retired the Genie to strict extract duty only and saving the gram or so of oil for special occasions.

    I'm not totally convinced I want to use any of my flowers for extraction since they are so good as is.

    As for using the filter, I'm sure VG wouldn't approve, but I'm willing to sacrifice the filter in the name of science/ art.

    I have a new HC that's taking over as one of my go-to pieces. It lacks the funky charm of the classic, but looks like an old-man pipe, should anyone happen to ask.

    I bought the VG branded Lotus that they have listed on their site. It works perfect in terms of flame source, but I continue to learn some of it's quirks. It's good enough, thought that I'd probably buy another. I'm looking into investing in a higher quality jet-torch lighter. I have two Honests, one works like a charm, the other is a potential fire-bomb that I need to safely dispose of. So I'm open to suggestions in that regard.
  7. Jeff-K

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    It should work, if you're able to construct it the right way. Have a look at the Ubi.

    2 holes take in cold (room temp) air and one takes in hot (lighter temp) air.
    In the space behind the entrance those 2 mix in the turbulence that arises et voila you have a diffuser.

    So yes a fritted disk could work as a diffuser if in the right setup. But I doubt it would do better then the VG 'stone'. Could be a fun project nevertheless.


    Cheers
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  8. Pcpvapors

    Pcpvapors Well-Known Member

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    The flame filter is actually monolithic via to VG, which according to VG is far superior to the sintering process.
  9. grokit

    grokit power cosmic

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    There is a ss bat-style competitor from england called the Alivi8, and it has a similar stone but it is made of much more fragile material. And if you need to replace it, it has to come from across the pond.
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  10. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    I just ordered an aluminum coil VG. Can anyone give me ANY tips? I've never used a lighter based vape, and it seems easy, although i expect to go through a leaning curve, any tips or advice would be great!
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  11. SSVUN~YAH

    SSVUN~YAH Hey hey hey bhombs away!

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    Get ya a butane torch. Some cheapies work great, bed bath and beyond brûlée torch is a steal for its quality and price. Some of my friends shoot the flame across the top slightly tilted so it catches the inside of the far rim a bit. I like to shoot it right down the middle with the tip of the flame just above the ceramic disc. Have fun enjoy, I love mine and most of my smoker friends like it more than the cloud, solo, PnP, lsv, VG, ssv, and cano I have/had in the past.

    FYI its stainless steel, aluminum and high temps don't work out so well.

    The aluminum bat is coated with nickel and chrome I believe...
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  12. wisherly

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    I'd read this whole thread for tips. I would expect a sizable learning curve/learning period if you've never used a lighter based vape before. It's worth it though. I love my hand carved VG. btw, I hear the coil might be a bit difficult compared to the original VG because you can't see the flame as well. A lot of people use those coils in their bong. Someone here made a video of the coil used in a j-hook which looked interesting, and would solve the issue of not being able to see the flame. I would try a flame based lighter first. I still haven't gotten the technique down with a torch.
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  13. SSVUN~YAH

    SSVUN~YAH Hey hey hey bhombs away!

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    Glass is a must with this, (native is possible) it's made to fit 14mm or 18mm so your all set if you have a scientific piece! If you plan on using it with a jhook, wear gloves or find an abnormal jhook, then show me!:brow:
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  14. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    I got some nice glass, which is why i bought it. And ill be using it natively when out and about after my pinnacle goes dead. Mainly bought it because we have some terribly cold winters and i dont wanna ruin a battery
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  15. onebelo

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    hey ive had my bronze sherlock VG for almost 6 months now and have been interested in cleaning it. Can i just take off the mouth piece and the wooden head and soak it in iso? Would it be possible that some resin has built up that could be used to make hash?
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  16. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    My new oak VG will be here monday!! I gifted my vapor genie coil to a coworker, who fell in love after his first HUGE vapor cloud.. It was only $35, and Tis tha season, so i let him keep it, under one condition, he never intentionally combust again. But that left me without my new VG, so here comes my classic oak. So excited.
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  17. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Yup, you can do that. You can also put in a SS sauce pan and boil it. Prop the stem end up so the oil and junk can float out.

    You can reclaim from inside, but unless you did a full up cleaning before you stated using it I wouldn't suggest it, there was some funky stuff in mine.......

    You loose the label on the bottom, of course. BTW I put some stick on felt pad on the bottom of mine (like you put on the bottom of table lamps), very nice.

    OF
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  18. basement farmer

    basement farmer My face is melting...

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    How do you guys like your bronze sherlocks?

    For some reason, I have the compulsion to buy one. Not out of necessity either.
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  19. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    Same here, they're simply gorgeous.. Any metallic taste?
  20. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I love mine, no 'metal taste' to report, really. The mass of the metal and long stem cool the vapor and take some of the 'bite' out of it. It also gets the bowl far enough away from your nose and in a position where you can see it well to aim the fire.

    A while back their engineer posted on this thread (?) that of all the models it's his favorite. I agree, although he's tried them all I assume, which I haven't.

    The one part I found I didn't care for was the bowl. Originally I got a pretty 'burned grain' round one. It didn't seem right as the body aged and took on a lovely patina, switching to a more conventional (more cylindrical) walnut one 'fits better' IMO.

    If you enjoy VGs I suggest getting one, the downside is your other VGs will get lonely.

    OF
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  21. wisherly

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    Anyone have any tips for getting a broken off mouthpiece out? (I have a hand-carved) I guess I need to go buy some pliers...
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  22. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    BUT.... wrap a piece of "felt" or a washcloth around the mouthpiece. (Or line pliers with some cloth)
    This will prevent you crushing the mouthpiece or putting a plier "print" on it.
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  23. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    So you've got a plastic tube stuck in there? Sure, easy.

    Get a screw (self tapping sheet metal type best, steel wood screw OK), screw it in a thread or two and yank it out. A piece of string around the shank of the screw can give you something to hang on to. Don't go nuts screwing it in, you don't want a wedge working against you.......

    OF
  24. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    Does anyone else have an oak classic? I just got mine and it looks very generic.. Not a nice look to tha wood at all.. I should've gotten another coil i think
  25. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    It will gain character with handling over time.
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