SSV vs. The Extreme Vape

[brennen]

haha...well where's the best place to buy one? their website doesn't have the variable XL temp controls listed on their product page, and it doesn't list the glass thickness either. The only place I've seen is greenharvest.ca but they say it's 2.5mm which is pretty thin, and they have a 5mm which is also pretty thin but it's over $600...

I'd like to do a comparision test with my Herbo and the SSV....what a big match!

so how'd the faceoff go?

 

[max]

Best place to buy a Herbo is http://www.herborizer.com/francais/production/vaporisateur/vaporisateur.html

The French page has the XL version. That's what you're looking for, although marcuss can tell you the temp control isn't necessary. And yes the XL is available for sale and shipment anywhere. Looks like Sebastien is too busy making Herbos to update the English page. And marcuss said he'd like to compare the SSV. He has to get his hands on one first. And for hit size, a one on one isn't necessary. It's obvious the Herbo is more bong like and can provide bigger hits.

 

[marcuss]

yes better buy it from the creator's webshop...you will get the latest production and a nice 4 pieces "griffe" alu grinder... hit size is similar to a bong and only if you like to go very close to combustion you need the temp knob but i notice that higher temps changes taste quikly....with the knob on the 80 mark let you to take 8-10 tastefull mega hits, on the 90 mark you'll get 3-4 stronger hits then only pop corn taste...on the 100 mark you're almost smoking
Sooner or later i'll get my hands on that famous Silver Surfer....but it is just my curiosity virus.....i'm so happy with the herbo that i'll never let it lonley on the table!

 

[brennen]

Thanks for the info - one more question. I've checked out the herbo website, and they have 3.5mm ones. But greenharvest.ca has 5mm herbos for essentially the same price, and I called and they said it's the XL version with the variable temperature control. Do you know anything about greenharvest.ca?

 

[max]

Thanks for the info - one more question. I've checked out the herbo website, and they have 3.5mm ones. But greenharvest.ca has 5mm herbos for essentially the same price, and I called and they said it's the XL version with the variable temperature control. Do you know anything about greenharvest.ca?

What I see is that the Sphere is 2.5mm and the XL Sphere 3.5mm, and the Tube 3.5mm and XL Tube 5mm. The herbo site does not show a 5mm Sphere. I would email Sebastien at herbo and ask him about the discrepancy. I suspect the Greenharvest site is in error. Why would they have an option that herbo.com doesn't have? I've never heard of Greenharvest.ca, but they're in Canada and that's not a plus unless you live there. They're higher than herbo.com on the regular sphere by almost $28 US (including shipping), and about $50+ higher on the Volcano than the standard $539 w/free shipping. They charge $564 plus $30+ shipping.

 

[marcuss]

i don't know greenharvest.ca since i come from EU and i can't help you about the glass thickness since i got the 3.5mm and i don't find it so fragile....anyway if you come from Canada maybe is better for you to buy from that website....the 5mm one will be as fragile as mine if it drop from a table ...but if you can get it for the same price...good to go!

 

[max]

We've gone a whole page off topic here. Any further Herbo questions or comments should go here-
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=89

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

hmm now i find myself torn between the ssv and the extreme as my second vape, it probably wont be before spring when i can order it, but the bag use and the assisted whip are starting to appeal for me

of course the biggest concern on my mind, as always, is efficiency, as im rather stingy with my weed, which might change when i can start growing though, but im the person that will stop when im "good" rather than finishing off a bowl, then come back to the bowl an hour or two later

the versatility in my eyes gives it a small advantage in my eyes over the ssv, and users report that despite it not being the thickest around the whip function is satisfying

the thing that most stands out in my mind right now is the assisted whip function, as stickstones elaborately put it, its like being spoonfed the vapor, which appeals to the lazy bastard in me. i could hook it up to a bong, turn it on fan speed 1 and let it fill the chamber, then turn the fan up and clear the chamber, and load another while im absorbin all the milky vvapor goodness

i originally came to this forum for the extreme, then i abandoned the idea of the extreme for the ssv, but now im coming back to the extreme slowly, it will be interesting to see how this plays out in my mind

when i first came here, i also didnt see the virtues of the bag, but its starting to dawn on me that they do indeed have a place even in my world

watch out sticktones, i might be the next in the evg club

 

[stickstones]

That's funny AZ...if your'e gonna have to wait until spring to purchase then I expect many more sways in opinion from you! I know I go back and forth between wanting another kind of unit and being happy where I'm at. In the end you will probably not truly make your decision until it is buy time.

I'm not sure why, but I am positive that bag use with the Extreme is more efficient than whip use with the Extreme. I never go through more weed than when I use the whip only, and I never go through less weed than when I use the Genie. The bag has a way of getting me rocked even when the vapor isn't super thick.

My on the units I own/want to own:

Genie -- cheap, portable, efficient and effective. Good customer service -- they just sent me some free screens.
Extreme -- does everything and does it all well. Great value and I am still (7 months later) finding it very useful in new ways. Best customer service I have ever experienced from any company in any industry.
Purple Days -- best stealth, incredibly cheap, the king of efficiency, tough as nails and probably the best unit for building up your high to just where you want it. Tom and Pam also provide only the best of customer service.
Silver Surfer -- by far the coolest name. This is easily the unit I would want if I wasn't concerned with efficiency and wanted the biggest, nastiest hits possible. To the best of my knowledge, customer service has had some complaints, although not related to product failure.

With the units on the market today, my next two purchases will be the PD and the SSV in that order.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

might be january or spring depending on how happy i am with the vg and if i decide to get an engine for my bike with my christmas money, or if i decide to wait on that and get a good vape

ive realized that im not as concerned with huge rips off of a vape as much as i am with efficiency and ease of use, i really havent consumed that much weed in my lifetime at all, i discovered it just after my 17th birthday and since then ive bought maybe 3 eighths, one of which i only got to smoke a gram or so before my parents found it and disposed of it

my plans as of right now, wait till mid november and get my card and a vaporgenie, buy a quarter or maybe 3 eighths, and order some seeds and get those started as soon as i can, and use the dispensary weed till i have my first harvest, water cure part of that harvest and if i have enough of a surplus sell some off to a couple friends to cover my costs

then after chrstmas, i usually have around 200 to play around with, ill most likely get a bike engine (like an actual 80cc engine that mounts on a bicycle) so that ill have a viable means of transportation which will extend the radius in which i can look for a job. then depending on grant money for college if i have a bunch left over i might get an extreme (its a medical device! ) otherwise ill wait till my college money bank account opens and order the extreme then depending if i decide on an extreme or ssv or if something new and shiney crosses my path

im not really counting on coming across a job... and i dont really think its right to pimp out mary jane for profit, covering expenses is one thing but i dont want to become a professional dealer

now do you see what i mean about me being a compulsive planner?

 

[vaporcloud]

I'm not sure why, but I am positive that bag use with the Extreme is more efficient than whip use with the Extreme. I never go through more weed than when I use the whip only, and I never go through less weed than when I use the Genie. The bag has a way of getting me rocked even when the vapor isn't super thick.

Thats an excellent point Stick and has me really wondering about whip vapes. They certainly produce the thickest and tastiest hits and are the prefect cross over from smoking (especially bonging) to vaping but it is possibly the least efficient way to vaporise from a convection point of view.

 

[vtac]

Thats an excellent point Stick and has me really wondering about whip vapes. They certainly produce the thickest and tastiest hits and are the prefect cross over from smoking (especially bonging) to vaping but it is possibly the least efficient way to vaporise from a convection point of view.

Why would a whip be less efficient? Same hot air passing over the same herb in the same bowl. If anything, probably more condensation/oxidation loss in vapor sitting in a bag. I think the reason people tear through weed with a whip vape is because they take huge fucking hits and blow it all out without holding it in.

Hard not to take a big hit from the surfer.

 

[stickstones]

That's a good point vtac, but there is no doubt that the bags on the E are more efficient than the whip. But I like what you say. Maybe we haven't taken into account how well a vape works based on how you draw and hold...the personal approach. I wouldn't doubt for a minute that the thick hits I get off the whip lead me to waste some thc because it's too much for my lungs to process.

Tom has been way ahead of us for a long time. He said he liked the design of the PD because it was perfect for his wife who likes small hits.

 

[vaporcloud]

With a whip vape it is easy to take a too big hit or just be plain greedy. The taste is sensational as is the effect so its soooooo easy to consume a lot in one sitting. Of course the good side for this is you get reaqlly fucked up the downside you chew through the herb.

I'm not dissing whips and there is little doubt the SSV is the No1 whip vape (trying to remain somewhat on topic here) but experience suggests to with a whip vape is very easy to over-indulge.

 

[max]

I think the reason people tear through weed with a whip vape is because they take huge fucking hits and blow it all out without holding it in.

I second that thought. To me, using the Surfer with efficiency as the priority is like driving a sports car to maximize gas mileage. Just ain't no fun. :/

 

[vtac]

I just see everyone taking huge rips and blowing it all out immediately which is a pretty big waste if you're trying to make your herb stretch. If you had held it all in till no vapor came out it'd probably be the same as hitting 4 bowls without holding it.

As a kid we used to 'push it to your brain' and hold in bong hits for like 45 seconds+ Make it count, you know. Sure it's fun blowing out huge vapor clouds every time but that's not the whip being inefficient.

Edit: great analogy max, and you type faster than me.

 

[partially veiled]

Well, since it's going in this direction...I've been thinking more about effeciency lately, as well. The SSV has driven this point home, and all this talk about whips and breath and such gets me interested. While I've been loving the SSV very much, I find myself gasping and to trying to keep those massive hits in. Truth is, it doesn't matter if you hold them in until you're blue in the face; you still won't absorb it all. The human body just won't work that way...it's far better to be able to breath out, and then take in a breath of fresh air.

I love your analogy max. Very fitting. Initially the SSV worried me some because it does cut through so much herb (compared to the PD, of course, so it's not REALLY as much as it seems right now; this is a very efficient vaporizer), but it's all a matter of recognizing the proper place for it. I simply realized that the PD has helped me turn a new leaf and focus on issues like efficiency and responsible consumption, etc. It's not that the SSV is any worse or better--same goes for the E or any other quality whip. They're simply different. If you're a bong smoker who likes to take multiple rips in a session then it probably won't matter; you'll be using as much or less and getting more effect, so it's still all good. However with the PD around the SSV and this style of consumption is really going to be more of a luxury for me...I love the hits, but right now I'm just focused on trying to be more effecient and get more out of my experience. I'll be floating back and forth no doubt, but it's just a great/important subject to think about and talk about.

While we're going this way, I know it's not on topic with SSV vs. E exactly, but I think it will be of interest to people. I am looking into teaming up this little device with the PD and seeing just how efficient we can get... It could just as easily be used with any vaporizer, of course:

http://www.smokemiser.com/


Oh...and I have to throw my in and say that once you get a reliable draw speed down, I'm sure whips can be just as efficient as bags...if you're holding in your hits to the same degree you do with bags. "Same hot air passing over the same herb in the same bowl" - yeah, exaaaaactly (tents fingers a la Mr. Burns). As long as the "draw speeds" (forced air or manual draw) are also the same, then all things are equal and there's no real reason why one should be more efficient than another: it's really the user's methodology at that point which will determine effectiveness.

 

[stickstones]

I read somewhere once a person claiming that if they exhaled their vapor hits back into the bag that their friends were hitting it and getting high. This efficiency discussion maybe should get its own thread...

 

[max]

However with the PD around the SSV and this style of consumption is really going to be more of a luxury for me...I love the hits, but right now I'm just focused on trying to be more effecient and get more out of my experience. I'll be floating back and forth no doubt

Aside from efficiency, the PD vs. SSV hits are like .22 bullets compared to shotgun blasts. Takes a lot of .22's to equal one shotgun shell, but it depends on what you need to kill. Last night I was using both. The wife was hogging the PD while I was blowing the top of my head off with Surfer hits. I could get by with either vape, but not by choice. If my house starts burning down, BOTH vapes are at the top of my 'rescue list'.

This efficiency discussion maybe should get its own thread...

Yeah, and the SmokeMiser as well. Seems like a high efficiency device, but a lot of trouble to go to as well. Anyone wanting to discuss the SmokeMiser, please give it its own thread in General Vaporization. Let's redirect this narrowly focused thread back to SSV/E.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

well stickstones... you predicted that my mind would change many times, and it has! now im all mixed up
i dont know whether i want the ssv or the extreme... i think ill have to get both! its the only logical solution!

i guess itll all come down to what i want when its time to make the purchase. if my budget and impatience (and sense of style) get the best of me, ill go for the ssv first, but if im feeling like more of a technophile, ill be getting the extreme first...

how i see it,
ssv: simple and beautiful, such a work of art, with such a noble function it does one thing and it does it damn well, a dedicated specialist, devoted to giving you the thickest, most satisfying hits possible

extreme: not quite as aesthetically pleasing, a bit more coin, but tons more shiney gadgets to play with. a generalist, can do anything other vapes can do, and a couple more things, but its a jack of all trades, master of none. it is much more appealing to me as a bag vape than any other unit out there though, and it has the hybrid type thing, assisted whip hits. that is the feature that most appeals to the lazy bastard in me, i want to lay back and be spoonfed the hits. the remote control also adds to this appeal

omfg rofl, i started this post leaning towards the ssv, now im back to the extreme, i guess i reminded myself what i loved about the extreme.... or maybe not... or maybe?!
or maybe i just dont know what im thinking... except FUCK COMBUSTION
gahh sorry guys... racing thoughts :/ ... i think i need to go to bed before i start talking to my rock again

 

[stickstones]

Let's just get you started with a Genie first!

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

ok i read through the extreme threds (yes all 40 pages ) again so i could look at it with my newer knowledge of vapes (i know a bit more than when i first read through them) and it has reaffirmed the reason why i had decided to go with the ssv first

most of the reason im deciding on the ssv right now is because of discrepancies and variances between the displays on units of the same generation, id rather have the simplicity of an analog and then when airizer has worked out most of the kinks and has gone through a couple more generations ill get the extreme, its a great design and all, and its getting better all the time, so im going to wait it out until its perfected and then ill get one

bags are appealing to me, as is the assisted whip, those are the two features that really set the e apart from the rest in my mine. the remote control knocks it up a few knotches too,.
the ssv is a very simple design, and that design has been well perfected and it has proven itsself over the many years that it has been on the market, the extreme is still relatively new, and still undergoing active development, wheras the ssv has been perfected already

mostly, i dont want to buy and extreme then two months later theyll come out with a better design (maybe a more accurate temp control and a higher temp limit) and ill be like... fuck... i should have waited, the ssv i know ill like, and its not changing in the foreseeable future

these veiws are subject to change on a whim im spending a lot of thought on this though, because i want to be completely satisfied with a big purchase like this on a very limited budget, so im not taking any chances and im not settling for anything less than what i want

 

[stickstones]

You still haven't said why you are not considering the PD. Based on everything you've said was important to you, I would think a PD would be perfect...inexpensive, efficient, and indestructible. Not to mention, if you are going to live on campus or with roommates, the PD is as stealthy as you can get.

You've mentioned being budget conscious and concerned about efficiency. Going to college, whether living in a dorm, on your own, or with your folks will at some point, if not many times, require some stealth. I would think the PD is perfect for you.

The SSV (according to what I've read around here) is possibly the least efficient of the better vapes available, simply because it is built to give you big, knockout hits. I think that as a budget conscious college student, you will greatly appreciate not only the lower purchase price of the PD, but also the continued savings it provides you in its efficiency...you're probably not going to have any money to speak of for several years.

I have an Extreme and a VaporGenie...both of which I bought when this forum was in its infancy. Knowing what I know now, my next two vapes will be (in order) the PD and the SSV...starting in February when tax money rolls in. So...I either have hands on experience with, or plenty of consideration given to, all the vapes you are considering and think you need to check out the PD...you've got plenty of time.

In fact, I think I will follow you around this forum hounding you until you give the PD serious consideration!

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

i dont really have a solid reason, it just doesnt appeal to me as much as the other two, dont ask me why, it just doesnt, ive read though about half the pd thread before i really decided this, the pd dosnt have as much versatility as the other two units, i plan to be vaping more than just mj, and a variable temperature is a neccessity to me
its nothing against the design, the pd is a solid unit and well engineered, its just not the one for me at the moment, im probably dismissing it out of hand, and id probably need to try one before i was really convinced to get one, but for now ill go with the one know ill like rather than one that i might like, that seems to be a recurring theme in my decision making, but its logical

i still live with my parents and they said they would accept my use when i had a medical card. im holding them to their word just as im holding to my word that i wouldnt use any until i got my card. so stealth wont be necessary, it will all be legitimate, hell, i could invite a cop into my room and fire up the vape and he wouldnt be able to do shit
if i do move out, ill be living with my gf's family, theyre more supportive of me than my parents anyway, its my gf's mom thats taking me to get my card

when i get my card, ill be ordering seeds to start a grow, so that means i wont really need to worry about efficiency and a budget, this is only a recent addition to my plans, and is rather liberating, as there are no dispensaries in my county id have to drive up to sacramento to get my medicine. since ive found a good autoflower stain and a good seedbank, i only need to buy medicine once, to hold me over till my first crop matures

 

[tokinGLX]

if you will be growing, then i can assure you that the ssv is the best pick for you to go with. i have been around a lot of growers and consent is unanimous that the ssv IS the growers choice vape.