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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by natural farmer, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    Last weekend a friend and I did some experiments along these lines. It wasn't intended to be an experiment about grinding, though, it was about hash.

    I'll bet you've been saying to yourself, "Yes, the FlashVAPE can do buds in the blink of an eye, but can it do hash?" I know I did right up until Saturday night, when a fellow FCer dropped over with some Afghani red. This friend of mine can out himself here if he likes, but for now I'll use a code name. Let's call him Kief Boy.

    KB likes low temperature vapour and usually uses a bubbler with a Herbalaire. I was just as curious about how he'd take to the FV as I was about its ability to do hash. I even broke out my best glass and rigged a connection to the FV:

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    We didn't really need it, since the FV is already smooth and tasty without filtration. I was quite pleased that KB took to the FV right away. He liked the look and the feel, but I think he fell in love at the first hit. KB also uses the MFLB so he understood how to use the FV without any coaching.

    Our goal for the evening was to evaluate the ability of the FV to do traditional middle eastern hash, so for our first attempt we picked off a few little crumbs and dropped them in the FV. We speculated that it would take a lot more heating to get vapour and we were right. We had to hold the power on for about 11 seconds before we got much vapour, although there was light production starting at around 8 or 9. True to its nature, at 12 seconds the FV hit combustion, so the window is pretty small.

    We figured that thin slices would work better and we were right. To be honest, by the time we got around to trying this we were getting pretty baked so I can't remember exactly what the timings were (we were both lamenting that we weren't writing this stuff down) but I can tell you that the FV can do pressed hash nicely.

    Now to the original point here: KB uses a Herbalaire and that thing vapourizes whole nuggets without breaking a sweat. That gave us the idea to try a whole unground bud in the FV. While it isn't something I'd recommend, I'm pleased to report that the FV can indeed give you decent vapour from completely whole buds. It toasted the outside nicely and even penetrated a little. After a few hits (3-4 maybe, ts;lc*) we took it out and crumbled it to finish it off. It isn't as thorough as the HA by any means, but we concluded that if you want to, you definitely can use unground bud in the FV.

    * too stoned; lost count
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  2. Shad0w

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    Thanks for that report!! :D good to know it can handle variety!

    Can you guys recommend me a good grinder that would go very well with the FlashVAPE! Should I get something like vape grinder from mendo mulchers?
  3. JoeKickass

    JoeKickass Well-Known Member

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    When I saw the first saw the look of this device I quickly passed on it

    But after reading your reviews and how impressed everyone is I'm starting to come 'round

    Just a few ?'s if an owner would be so kind:

    Is this basically the maximum vapor density you can expect?
    Does it at all compare to the Inh or the Pax on their low heat settings?

    Or is it like the basic mflb, kind of like sipping a cocktail through a coffee stirrer straw?
    The battery and screen are larger so I'm hoping it's like a supercharged mflb?



    EDIT: After more reading I think my guess is right:

    Good flavor but not quite the pocket rocket the Pax or Inh are... I might get it because I need to conserve but thanks for getting my expectations in the right ballpark

    imo I think the older 3.2v TV-style batteries are holding it back somewhat, maybe that's all the power the screen-vape technology can take but the saftey comes with terrible power density... regular 3.7v lithium's would last three times longer, and safe lithium IMR's (best choice imo) would last twice as long while delivering higher voltage (more power)
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  4. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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  5. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    No. Wrong voltage. You need the IFR 18650ECs that ship with it (not trivial to find) and the special charger (or similar). Standard 3.7 Volt Li-ions are not the call.

    OF
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  6. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    The FV is not a pocket rocket at all unless you have big pockets. I suppose that it's a bit like the LB on steroids. There is no restriction on the draw. The technique suggested in the instructions is 100% conduction since you apply heat for a short period, then hit it after a 1-2 second wait. Those of us with more experience are comfortable hitting it with the heat on, adding some convection effects and LB-like temperature control. Using techniques like this you can get thicker vapour than shown in these two videos, but if you're cloud-seeking then the FV requires a delicate touch to avoid combustion.

    As for comparisons, I've not used an INH004 but I can tell you that in my opinion, this thing is far superior to a Pax. When Kief Boy was here he fell in love with the FV, really liked the Palm 2.0, but didn't want to have anything to do with the Pax.

    Regular li-ion batteries can't deliver power fast enough to heat the screen as quickly as the FV requires. On the other hand, I happen to know that 3.7V batteries such as you suggest heat the screens so quickly that the FV becomes difficult to control. I'd be surprised if OF hasn't already done a similar experiment. The 3.2V batteries were carefully chosen IMO.
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  7. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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    I hate you Pakalolo !!!! :lol: Another vaporizer in the house ! Just bought now :D ( don't forget the free screens FlashVAPE :))
  8. Vapzilla

    Vapzilla Well-Known Member

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    Twisted your arm huh, bet your thanking him in about a week!
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  9. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    Those batteries are not only the wrong voltage, but the wrong size!
    about vapor density..... no that is not the general vapor density. The density is greater than you see in that video. That was out of the box, and I have since gained "technique"~
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  10. JoeKickass

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    So the ceramic heating element underneath the two screens, is it like the standard ceramic rod?

    Is there a pic of below the tabbed screen?

    Thanks for any info :luv:
  11. FlashVAPE

    FlashVAPE ...fast and efficient ! Manufacturer

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    The heating element below the tabbed screen is not ceramic... but also stainless steel like the removeable tabbed screen. so basically, it looks the same, just without the tabs on the sides. The the housing that holds the heating element, the removable screen, and bowl that holds the herbs are ceramic.
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  12. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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    I am completely amazed by the quality speaks owners, and the PRICE..... 100 euros shipping included (with 2 free screens), less than a simple MFLB !!!
    I think the day I receive it (hope soon :)), I will sell off my Solo !!!
    What I like most about this vaporizer is that you can take a hit when you want, then leave to rest, as the MFLB, but much more sophisticated ! Often, when I do something like here (writing on my PC to you) and I vape at the same time, I forget a little bit my Solo.... but the heating continues and I waste my herbs.... so the FlashVAPE is for me !!! It will be the "portable in the house" ;)

    I should not say that as a customer, but I don't know how you do, FlashVAPE, for a living with such selling price is incredible.
    This price will remain the same, or is it just an introductory price of the product?
    Incredible, totally amazed ... and he takes a lot to amaze me! :cool:

    I just create this thread for people who don't speak english (many people in France !)
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  13. Vapzilla

    Vapzilla Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely, gaining the technique is key. It's also what makes this one of the most versatile portables out there. With different techniques you can control whether you get huge hits and big clouds or if you use it per the instructions it won't produce those big hits/clouds but is more efficient on your herbs and the end result is the same.

    Being a former smoker, I'm always looking for those big hits/clouds, guess that's why my daily vape is my SSV.

    Someone mentioned using it in a movie theater, this would be a great place to use it per the instructions. It will give you great flavor longer, be more efficient on your herbs and still get you plenty medicated without the big cloud exhale.
    Also, without being able to see the vapor window in a dark setting the 5 second power button rule would be the way to go not risk combustion, Stealth mode!

    Have fun experimenting as I am, just loving it so far!
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  14. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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    I think it was Tweek...... Finally, I will perhaps not buy it, don't have a movie theater ! :lol:
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  15. Kaptan

    Kaptan Well-Known Member

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    Time for new video?
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  16. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that was me :smug: Most of the folks I spend my time with are not fans of alternative medicine, so I am always looking for quick and discreet way to medicate. This unit is putting alot of my other higher priced vapes to shame. Nothing is perfect, but it is hard to find things to dislike about the FlashVape.
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  17. Pipes

    Pipes The guy with the Afterthoughts Accessory Maker

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    Dang I like the idea of this vape. My hold back is that I was thinking I could use my 18650 3.7 volt IMR or high drain low internal resistance Lion protected cells until the last couple pages before I caught it needs 3 volt 18650s?? Is this correct?
    If so, are 3.7s completely out of the picture or can technique change make them usable?
    Want to avoid getting different batteries on the go.
    Pipes
  18. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    I tried using a 3.7V and it is certainly possible to make them work, but the timing is critical. The window between vapour production and combustion is tiny, a second or less. Miss that window and you've got a cherry. I should point out that this includes pulling on it to slow down the heating. I was hitting at around 3 seconds and releasing it at around 5. Any longer would reach combustion. I also tested how long the 3.7V takes to combustion without hitting: 5 seconds. Using the technique in the instructions, it delivers a nice hit at 4 seconds. Oh, one more point: these times will shrink as the load dries out and turns into ABV.

    By the way, I just want to say that testing to find combustion points is no fun. Fortunately the FV doesn't retain the nasty taste.
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  19. FlashVAPE

    FlashVAPE ...fast and efficient ! Manufacturer

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    you can use the 18650 3.7v cell, but make sure it is indeed the high drain variety you are refering to. Regular 18650 batteries cannot handle the kind of current the FV pulls, and will either cut out (regulated cell), or get extremely hot (un-regulated cell) with very poor performance, not to mention very dangerous to use. PLEASE DO NOT USE REGULAR 18650 3.7V CELLS IN THE FV.... just because it fits doesnt mean its the usable.

    The FV is designed to use the Valence 3.2V LiFePo4 cell because it is the perfect match for best performance based on the power the FV draws. Also, this LiFePo4 cell is one of the SAFEST cells on the market, powering alot of high end devices from electric vehicles to the Segway.
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  20. Pipes

    Pipes The guy with the Afterthoughts Accessory Maker

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    Thanks Paka, life's full of compromises. So the 3.7 would have a 1 second window of opportunity. Once trigger is released, can it be pulsed to go for a longer hit?
    BTW, how long is the window using the 3 volts?
    Can see finding combustion points not a fun task at all but you never know how tall to stand till you bump your head.

    Pipes

    Thanks FlashVape, what is the current we are talking about? I can appreciate that caution about what batteries to use as can be dangerous if battery is and unknown type.

    Pipes (opps, sorry didn't use the edit. me bad)

    mod note: Fixed. Me spank. :disgust:
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  21. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    Oops, I should have included the caution about using a hi-drain battery. Thanks FlashVAPE!

    Pulsing the FV is the key to building up thicker vapour—but that's with the 3.2V battery. I don't like thick vapour so it's not something I've done except as another one of my sacrifices to test for you people. That's one reason I didn't try pulsing the 3.7V. The other is that I think that because of heat retention, you'd probably have to time the pulses so carefully that combustion would be almost inevitable.

    Using the 3.2 battery the window is more like two seconds. I know that doesn't seem like much difference but it is.
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  22. FlashVAPE

    FlashVAPE ...fast and efficient ! Manufacturer

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    We are talking about almost 3A :o !

    As I have mentioned earlier in the thread, the instructions as stated in the manual and our website is the most basic method of operating the FV, using the standard 3.2v cell. There are alot of more advanced methods of using the FV to the personal satisfaction of each vaporist, to be discovered by the owner through testing and having fun with the unit. That what makes the FV such an unique and powerful tool.

    So, to summarize the advanced methods of using the FV thus far, we have:

    1) The "Pak" method: pulsing the power to get consistant performance
    2) The "Tweek" method: micro-hits to fill a lung or two with awesome vapor
    3) The "LB" method: power on while drawing to pull huge clouds
    ......

    How do you use the FV to best suit your style? Lets share and add to this list ;)
  23. Pipes

    Pipes The guy with the Afterthoughts Accessory Maker

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    I actually expected more. That's pushing a lot of vape for 9 - 10 watts.
    Sounds like a fun unit, seems key of use is duty cycle.

    Couple more questions. The silver vs black. How is the finish on the black as far as scratch-ability, etc.
    Leaning towards the silver as have had many black products show scratches easily.

    Also realize the introductory price of $129.99 is pretty great and all but wondering if can buy less batteries and charger?

    Thanks,
    Pipes
  24. FlashVAPE

    FlashVAPE ...fast and efficient ! Manufacturer

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    Hi Pipes,

    ok, black and silver go through the same hard anodization process, and the black is pretty good for stratch resistance. but if you drop it, and the scratch penetrates the surface, it will show up more on the black vs the silver. the color choice is really all about personal preference :)

    sorry, the FV is only available with the packaged accessories as a set, but I can guarantee you that you will not find a better package at the price though...
  25. Tweek

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    For more thorough testing, I may roast some Salvia in my FV tomorrow or the day after. Thats going to be an interesting one :smug:

    This is what I am loving about the FV the most...simple, yet versatile. I haven't cleaned mine since getting it and it is still plugging along and tasting great.

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