Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils

408_Grow

Active Member
Kertong: im not trying to discourage anyone from going there. I am simply speaking on my personal experiences...to answer you're question..I believe its not bad for the cart, the only thing that would be bad is confidently using the cart without anything in it as well as over-heating the cart
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
I keep everything pretty darned clean...
still, I get blockage on some carts. I have one Peanut butter, that gives the foggiest hits I have had yet, and it is full melt. At the end of a couple hits, the thing breathes free and clear, but still needs a good prime when I do my next hits later.
On this product, the prime to unclog it takes the longest... 4 seconds 6 times minimum....
but once that clog "pops".. the cart is hot, and those next hits are always biggies! :)
 
Vitolo,

kertong

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Vitolo said:
I keep everything pretty darned clean...
still, I get blockage on some carts. I have one Peanut butter, that gives the foggiest hits I have had yet, and it is full melt. At the end of a couple hits, the thing breathes free and clear, but still needs a good prime when I do my next hits later.
On this product, the prime to unclog it takes the longest... 4 seconds 6 times minimum....
but once that clog "pops".. the cart is hot, and those next hits are always biggies! :)

Hey Vitolo! You probably don't know me but I find it hilarious to see you pop up everywhere I go! I've gone through a few vapes in the past, and everytime I do research on a new vape model, you're there giving awesome info and first hand accounts of it. Even for the omicron, as I scour the web looking for information on it, I see you with one giving feedback already :D

Just wanted to say hello. Ok, sorry, I'll stop derailing the topic, back to the omicron! :D
 
kertong,

kertong

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@vitolo: :peace:! Taking an omicron hit for you now :)

@DubCRider/dankd420: I think you are right DubCRider - the .5g seems to stick to the sides. On day 2 I was already getting much thinner vapor (as was dankd420), and I'm guessing it's partly the quality of the oil, and partly the sparse .5g spread out too thin. I was very paranoid about doing this, but I took the cartridge and heated the top 1/3rd of the area with a lighter. I panicked a bit because the bottom 2/3rds that I was holding, got uncomfortably hot very fast! Hopefully it didn't damage the heating element. However it does seem to have done the trick, as a quick 4s prime and then a 5 second hit, produced noticeably thicker vapor. I'm guessing the small .5g oil deposits were stuck along the sides of the cart, and wasn't thick enough to wick down properly. The heat on the walls of the cart probably made them slide down, I'm guessing?

I am in love with this device. With the Arizer Solo I went through about 6-8 elbows per sit down session, and it was a pain watching the battery meter, keeping it hot, swapping the hot elbows and grinding / dumping plant matter back and forth, etc. Don't get me wrong, I still love the arizer solo, but it has definitely taken a back seat due to the potency and ease of dosing oneself with the omicron. I posted a thread on reddit extolling its glory and awesomeness, and I've been singing its praises to my mmj friends. I look forward to many long years of life with an omicron glued to my lips! The future kicks ass, f*ck yeah!
 
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twoleftfeet

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Sweet, ordered on Friday afternoon, in my mailbox when I got home from work today. Can't wait to give you guys some reviews on its performance in the cold.
Do any of you guys wash or rinse your carts before you fill them ?
 
twoleftfeet,

twoleftfeet

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Ok ill trust you. The only reason I asked is because there is a faint smell on my carts but in hind sight I didn't smell them untill after I did a dry test on my carts to make sure they all worked. They did.
So if my math is ok a battery charge should get you through about half a fully loaded cart. Is that what you guys are getting ?
 
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BuddahMonk

Well-Known Member
Does the vapor from concentrates or the Omicron have any lingering smell or odor? Or is it just like any other vaporizer?
 
BuddahMonk,

OF

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twoleftfeet said:
So if my math is ok a battery charge should get you through about half a fully loaded cart. Is that what you guys are getting ?

That's not what I see happening. I guess it has a lot to do with how you hit it, a series of two second hits could kill the battery with almost no vapor delivery with some oils I've tried. In example, I just charged for the third time on the one gram load of 70% Sour Diesel I'm working on and there's still about .30 grams left. As they say, YMMV.

It's 'gone dead' on me a couple of times without warning. Fortunately, each time the spare unit was standing by charged. The light starts flashing early (or 'right away') in the cycle. No joy. Something worth keeping in mind, IMO.

Not to worry, it's really a pretty simple tool, easy to master.

OF
 
OF,

OF

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BuddahMonk said:
Does the vapor from concentrates or the Omicron have any lingering smell or odor? Or is it just like any other vaporizer?

Yes (although slight relative to burning) and yes (I think all my other vaporizers smell a little as well).

My units smell like they have hash oil in them. Ever take the top off a vial of the stuff and sniff? That smell. More with some concentrates than others. The unit often rides in my shirt pocket to keep me company, I get 'whiffs' of oil to smell often. Other noses that get that close no doubt will as well. Whether they notice and identify it depends, of course.

Less severe IMO, but still there. No magic here, don't expect any. Stay cool if that's what the situation calls for? I wouldn't plan on fooling Grandma automatically.

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Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
I have a few questions..
Can you clear a cart after you finish with your oil ? Or u just keep putting load after load till the catrige is dead ?
How easy is it for cart to get unusable, if you don't overheat it or damage it manualy ?
How long can a single catrige last if you are filling it with the fill tool , only decent quality oils/waxes ?
What is the longest time you have last whitout having cartridge trouble ?
 
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vape4health

Well-Known Member
Me too, on the planetvape sit it says "400 doses... one time fill" does that mean doses per fill or can you only fill the once.

I got some 190 everclear on the way, I hope between ISO and ethanol I'll be able to make some type of oil from ABV.
 
vape4health,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
I can't imagine having only one cart... if i can't clean it .. The tastes will mix.. and most oils have a little residue but it smells burnt..
Another thing that bothers me is that you cant load small ? Why not loading a dab of oil ?
Is this what the nail catrige is going to be?
Some guys say it is better to load a whole gram than half.. Because it sticks to the walls ? Well does it stays there or get eventually vaped after some use or it just stays there till the cart is dead or cleaned ?
Can you finish 0,5 g with a single charge ?
Is there a waste of oil ? Is it more efficient than the eclipse ?
Does it kills the taste on the first hits because aroma oils vape lower temp than thc and other stuff ?
Wouldn't that be a loss of taste ? If i load a whole gram and the taste is gone after the first sessions ? I vape oil mainly because it gives me a more strong and concentrated taste than bud . How is the concentrate's taste vaporized from the omicron compared to taste of regular herb vapor ?
 
Abysmal Vapor,
Abysmal man your askin a bunch of questions. This vape blows this eclipse out of the water. I hit this thing thirty times this morning and loaded it with a gram last night and the weight of the cartridge has not changed at all. All you need to know is that the waste is very minimal if you follow the directions and that it really stretches out your oil supply. The taste is awesome if you use good material. Some people say that the omicron does not replace the need for a dab off of a nail but i disagree. My nail and dome are in retirement.

this vape is hands down the best oil vaporizer out there.
 
VaporBoxed,

Abysmal Vapor

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VaporBoxed said:
Abysmal man your askin a bunch of questions. This vape blows this eclipse out of the water. I hit this thing thirty times this morning and loaded it with a gram last night and the weight of the cartridge has not changed at all. All you need to know is that the waste is very minimal if you follow the directions and that it really stretches out your oil supply. The taste is awesome if you use good material. Some people say that the omicron does not replace the need for a dab off of a nail but i disagree. My nail and dome are in retirement.

this vape is hands down the best oil vaporizer out there.
?k! But can you tell me if you can clean the cart with iso or ethanol soak for example ? Would that damage it somehow ?
 
Abysmal Vapor,

OF

Well-Known Member
Wow! Slow down. I'm new here but in the spirit of trying to pay back a bit for the excellent advice I got from this site by reading other folks posts the following is an attempt to give my understanding of what's going on based on my (modest) experiences as well:

"Another thing that bothers me is that you cant load small ?"
No. The recommended minimum is half a gram, I suspect nothing less than about .2 grams will feed.

" Why not loading a dab of oil ? "
You need to fill the first chamber well enough so the that end of the wick gets soaked in (melted) oil so it can 'wick' into the second chamber for the second heater to vaporize it for your pleasure.

"Is this what the nail catrige is going to be? "
Probably.

"Some guys say it is better to load a whole gram than half.. Because it sticks to the walls ? Well does it stays there or get eventually vaped after some use or it just stays there till the cart is dead or cleaned ?"
Many related issues, no simple answer. You need to get the oil deep enough into the cart to reach the first heater so it can get heated and fed to the second heater. If the oil sticks higher up......it sticks higher up. Some will flow down on their own over time (like the one I'm using, and Pure Gold), some need some help. Once they get there, heat from the first heater should keep them feeding, but they need to make physical contact. Some will remain even after vapor stops, THC estimated 10 to 20% of the initial fill if you try to heat and dump it out. There is no way clean it out. Dirty oil will eventually foul the cart for this reason.

Eventually, the heater itself will fail (no doubt without warning), just like light bulbs burn out. Like light bulbs, some will die 'right off' (hopefully very few), most will live 'average' lifespans (a few grams worth), others might be record setters. While, like light bulbs, you can kill one early through abuse (like running dry) you can't tell which will be the lifespan winner out of the box.

"Can you finish 0,5 g with a single charge ? "
No, not in my experience. It took me two or three charges to go through that much Pure Gold.

"Is there a waste of oil ? Is it more efficient than the eclipse ?"
I think so. A gram gives you 200 or so doses......how many from your eclipse? I burn 50 to 100 mg a shot in mine so that gram is good for a few dozen doses there.

"Does it kills the taste on the first hits because aroma oils vape lower temp than thc and other stuff ?
Wouldn't that be a loss of taste ? If i load a whole gram and the taste is gone after the first sessions ?"
No. Fresh oil is constantly fed from the first to second chamber for use. Each hit starts out from basically the same conditions. It's neat. You really do load it up and hit it for weeks. Or days depending?

"I vape oil mainly because it gives me a more strong and concentrated taste than bud . How is the concentrate's taste vaporized from the omicron compared to taste of regular herb vapor ?"
It depends on the oil. Some taste more than others. But understand, this machine is not designed for recreational use. It's intended to deliver medicine to those of us who need it........

HTH

OF
 
OF,
from my knowledge you cannot soak to clean it but if your cart died for example you could always heat reclaim it or cut it open. Im pretty sure ethanol or iso in a working cart will result in a broken cart :D

And heres an omicron vapor cloud Here
 
VaporBoxed,

OF

Well-Known Member
Abysmal Vapor said:
?k! But can you tell me if you can clean the cart with iso or ethanol soak for example ? Would that damage it somehow ?

It's already been said in the last few days. No, you can't clean them out. No washing. It will probably wreck things (how did you expect to dry it out deep inside?), possibly by depositing nasty stuff on the silica wick as it dries?

And even if you could, it wouldn't improve lifespan that I can see.

The carts will die eventually. Chances of doing so in the first gram if you follow directions would seem quite small. Dieing before say the fifth gram is probably nearly certain. IIRC THC reported 'finally killing one' in a flat out run (hard service I assume) before 800 hits. Statistics of small groups aside, in this case it seems getting a third gram out would have been a looser bet.

Best to lay in a supply of replacement carts and plan on loosing a few tenths of a gram in a cart you're pushing when it does have one or the other heater fail.....least ways that's my plan.

OTOH, there's still a tenth or two 'trapped' inside a cart that stops producing. Be a shame to abandon that investment so I plan to continue 'top up' carts the stop producing.

OF
 
OF,
OF said:
Wow! Slow down. I'm new here but in the spirit of trying to pay back a bit for the excellent advice I got from this site by reading other folks posts the following is an attempt to give my understanding of what's going on based on my (modest) experiences as well:

"Another thing that bothers me is that you cant load small ?"
No. The recommended minimum is half a gram, I suspect nothing less than about .2 grams will feed.

" Why not loading a dab of oil ? "
You need to fill the first chamber well enough so the that end of the wick gets soaked in (melted) oil so it can 'wick' into the second chamber for the second heater to vaporize it for your pleasure.

"Is this what the nail catrige is going to be? "
Probably.

"Some guys say it is better to load a whole gram than half.. Because it sticks to the walls ? Well does it stays there or get eventually vaped after some use or it just stays there till the cart is dead or cleaned ?"
Many related issues, no simple answer. You need to get the oil deep enough into the cart to reach the first heater so it can get heated and fed to the second heater. If the oil sticks higher up......it sticks higher up. Some will flow down on their own over time (like the one I'm using, and Pure Gold), some need some help. Once they get there, heat from the first heater should keep them feeding, but they need to make physical contact. Some will remain even after vapor stops, THC estimated 10 to 20% of the initial fill if you try to heat and dump it out. There is no way clean it out. Dirty oil will eventually foul the cart for this reason.

Eventually, the heater itself will fail (no doubt without warning), just like light bulbs burn out. Like light bulbs, some will die 'right off' (hopefully very few), most will live 'average' lifespans (a few grams worth), others might be record setters. While, like light bulbs, you can kill one early through abuse (like running dry) you can't tell which will be the lifespan winner out of the box.

"Can you finish 0,5 g with a single charge ? "
No, not in my experience. It took me two or three charges to go through that much Pure Gold.

"Is there a waste of oil ? Is it more efficient than the eclipse ?"
I think so. A gram gives you 200 or so doses......how many from your eclipse? I burn 50 to 100 mg a shot in mine so that gram is good for a few dozen doses there.

"Does it kills the taste on the first hits because aroma oils vape lower temp than thc and other stuff ?
Wouldn't that be a loss of taste ? If i load a whole gram and the taste is gone after the first sessions ?"
No. Fresh oil is constantly fed from the first to second chamber for use. Each hit starts out from basically the same conditions. It's neat. You really do load it up and hit it for weeks. Or days depending?

"I vape oil mainly because it gives me a more strong and concentrated taste than bud . How is the concentrate's taste vaporized from the omicron compared to taste of regular herb vapor ?"
It depends on the oil. Some taste more than others. But understand, this machine is not designed for recreational use. It's intended to deliver medicine to those of us who need it........

HTH

OF

Proper post.
 
biojuggernaut,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Yep .! Very informative, Thanks guys for quick reply and answering question covering almost 50 pages of read..:)
 
Abysmal Vapor,

OF

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vape4health said:
Me too, on the planetvape sit it says "400 doses... one time fill" does that mean doses per fill or can you only fill the once.

I got some 190 everclear on the way, I hope between ISO and ethanol I'll be able to make some type of oil from ABV.

No, you can refill, but 'you're on your own' WRT when it will fail. It should clear a full fill (a gram) in about 400 doses, but that depends on the oil and technique.

I think you should rethink the first few runs of oil WRT source material. Using good bush you can get a gram or so as I understand it, twice that with buds. Say 10% by weight? ABV has ALREADY been vaped, most of the THC is already gone. The yield will be much lower (under a gram for an ounce?), higher in CBDs and other 'junk', taste 'off' and most likely be a disappointment. I think you should 'get your feet wet' with the good stuff. The Omicron deserves no less.....

OF
 
OF,

OF

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biojuggernaut said:
Proper post.

Thanks. It wasn't easy.......I had a lot of trouble with spelling, some of them words are mighty big.....

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