Discontinued The Grasshopper

[biohacker]

Keen to see what they come up with next. Anything portable from them I'd be especially interested in.
They mostly need to work the price down to something realistic. It's not like there's anything particularly fancy going on within their previous products.

Actually a portable was something that was mentioned in their indigogo campaign so it's entirely possible down the road. I don't think a digital EVO is exactly revolutionary, so hopefully they come out strong with that AND a VXL portable!

Well, I guess that does make some sense. But it's still an even poorer indicated spectrum and I'd doubt it's as responsive to change mid hit?

Yeah it's definitely not even close to as quick as the GH. I personally don't find the desire to change temps mid hit myself. Is this a technique you use often?

This the shit we want, this the shit we need

hahaha, indeed....but i've been thinking alot about this recently, and now realize that there are vapes that can do this, and well....such as the supreme v3 (and without even grinding!), and probably the e-nano.

I've now tucked away the Herbalizer....a much more expensive desktop unit, in favour of the GH! It just can't do what the GH can for me.

"Some" are finicky but "most" are not. Remember the reported 5% failure rate whatever they said last is because they see a fair amount of "actually just user error" like folks misunderstanding warning lights etc. and they send them back because there was nothing wrong.

What about the GH's that are being sent back because they say there was nothing wrong, but there obviously is? If their QA has been piss poor so far, perhaps their QA on warranty testing isn't all that yet, or they don't have the proper resources because they are getting flooded with so many RMA's that they don't spend enough time troubleshooting and diagnosing before scrambling to ship them out. Just another perspective because I don't think that HL are "saints", although I do agree that many RMA's are due to user error.

 

[MoltenTiger]

@slcbdco
I do think the GH is finicky though, and I didn't mean that in the sense of it's robustness, although I'm hoping they get that under wraps!
It's finicky by strict definition; "fussy about one's needs or requirements."
For cannabis enthusiasts it offers a lot. For smokers it is the answer. For vaporists.. IDGAF get an FF2 or Mighty or something. As a tool the GH exceeds every option.
HL killed it with this device, even the unreleased stuff looks defunct in style and approach comparatively.

 

[ElPic]

Sweet! I am in Ontario, close to Toronto!
Let's see who gets their Hopper first! LOL!
Canada Post trials!

My hopper is "processed through facility" in New York usps facility since February 12, 10h30am..... I don't know what the f*ck is happening, but No hopper for this weekend !

 

[Hjalmark]

@MoltenTiger do the same with my batteries and noticed this with a full battery next day is sometimes not as powerful and specially when I had them with me outside

@biohacker when I think about the Avb from my old conduction vape I nearly puke! And also starting to go no higher then 4,5 on the hopper even through water, feel like the step from nice brown to dark burned is not worth it

 

[MoltenTiger]

Actually a portable was something that was mentioned in their indigogo campaign so it's entirely possible down the road. I don't think a digital EVO is exactly revolutionary, so hopefully they come out strong with that AND a VXL portable!

A digital EVO is very unexciting tbh. They need to move in a different direction if they want to stay relevant IMO.
Portable is happening, but when?
It's fucking hard*, and honestly, I think it'll be a transition they will especially struggle with.
It'll be a big boy, but it will be an EVO. USB-C will change things, but R&D will take years. We watched the hopper progress, and that was post R&D.

*not so much because of difficulty, but it's time consuming, takes a lot of prototyping and requires specialist knowledge which IMO their current offerings do not reflect

Yeah it's definitely not even close to as quick as the GH. I personally don't find the desire to change temps mid hit myself. Is this a technique you use often?

I discovered it probably only draws 27W, which rules out temp stepping.
I definitely don't temp step during hits often, but it's amazing if you want to up the cloud a bit to just dial it in and watch the clouds thicken.
It's also requires two hands to do (which is a nitpick I have with the GH, you basically need two hands to change temp accurately).
I have been doing more low temp hits, 3.5/4 which I find to be way better than blasting T5s on the constant.

hahaha, indeed....but i've been thinking alot about this recently, and now realize that there are vapes that can do this, and well....such as the supreme v3 (and without even grinding!), and probably the e-nano.

I've now tucked away the Herbalizer....a much more expensive desktop unit, in favour of the GH! It just can't do what the GH can for me.

Two guys leave NASA and make a vape, two guys make a vape that probably could have taken their place. Very glad they offered some thorough design to the vape world

 

[lazylathe]

My hopper is "processed through facility" in New York usps facility since February 12, 10h30am..... I don't know what the f*ck is happening, but No hopper for this weekend !

Mine is the same... Processed at 11:49 so a little behind yours!
May still be on the way to the border or waiting to be entered.

 

[DocBurN]

Ordered a new TI GH on 31, January
Received a ready to ship - address confirmation today (7 feb)

For those who wonder.. or just like stats on speed, delivery, whatever..
Received my GH yesterday on St-Valentin day... in Montreal.

EDIT1: oh.. and i did not upgrade the shipping to priority.. just the default regular old snail mail (USPS-CANADA POST)

EDIT2: Canada Post was not helpfull at all.. the tracking was good with USPS then when was the time to hand over to canada post.. it went dark.. tracking inconnu/unknown.. then BAM at my door without notice.

The last known location was:

February 11, 2017
Processed Through Facility
ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)


EDIT3: Good luck to the other Canadians.. should be there soon.. i am more affraid of RMA and defects than the shipping time.

 

[fluffhead]

Canada Post was not helpfull at all.. the tracking was good with USPS then when was the time to hand over to canada post.. it went dark.. tracking inconnu/unknown.. then BAM at my door without notice.

What were the first two letters of the tracking number? Most packages (even first class) get tracked into Canada but there are some that don't. Did it show up on CP at all? Some tell us that it was shipped in the originating country, but then don't track beyond that.

Its interesting you said this because often I have the opposite thing happen. An item disappears on USPS or seems like it is "stuck" in an ISC, but then it shows up on Canada Post as "Item Has Left Originating Country" or even "Item has arrived in Canada."

As for the Evo/GH debate, I'll put it like this. I currently have a temporary trade with my brother. I have his GH, he has my evo. I am really hoping that he wants to keep the evo because I much prefer the GH. It has quickly become an integral part of my vaping routine. The biggest things that I give the evo is reliability and glass air path. It is a great machine but I prefer the GH for what I personally need.

 

[Hammahead]

Aargh... I got the strait to blue w/o heat again and all the shaking, dry suction, bumping voodoo did not help. I'm convinced this is not happening to 95% of the buyers, but it happened to me 4 times within half a year, so maybe I'm the wrong type of user for it. So I am super glad that the german retailer is accepting to take it back and credit it for another model. Friend of mine just got the Pax3 and its pretty awesome. Otoh as I only used the hopper stationary, I'm even considering the S&B Plenty which I know to perform great cloudwise and which is extremely reliable. But that's another topic.

Last time the shaking/bumping/sucking thing brought the Hopper back to life, I wasn't really entirely happy with it, because I just waited all the time for it to happen again, and here we are. Also this time Hopper Labs asked, well, rather told me, to return the entire thing incl. cable and battery prior to eventually replacing it, which would have taken some three weeks and cost me abt. 40 Euros. Plus the nerves I clearly haven't got.

I'm not going to say never ever again, that thing's the best when it's working. But I feel there is room for improvement and I stopped liking the full package.

 

[Baron23]

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Care to be a bit more explicit?

So since you've outlined it so clearly for me twice, would you care to elaborate further on why? Especially since I took the time to give my reasons (airflow)? Even though I didn't think your response was very friendly, I really honestly am looking for your feedback as i'm presently testing an EVO.

What exactly can the EVO do that the GH cannot? From a water conditioned hit perspective...

Well,
@biohacker - my reply may not have been friendly but it wasn't unfriendly either, IMO. It was merely terse and to the point which seemed entirely reasonable to me as you were coming back at me for what I thought was also a polite and clear original quote"

Well, these are all subjective opinions and we are each entitled to our own. However, I don't agree with this.

I think we are still not communicating well here. I did not state that the EVO can do something that the GH cannot. What I personally disagreed with (which is entirely my prerogative, would you not agree?) was this statement which is quite different:

biohacker said: ↑
EVO and Herbie simply cannot do what the GH can do, regardless of form factor.
​

Bottom line is that I love my GH but personally think that aside from portability, my EVO can extract equally as well with similar size loads in a more robust package. Just my view, is all.

 

[mmafighterthe25]

So after a 6 months hiatus I returned last night. An that grasshopper didn't disappoint. 5 big hits from a lighty packed chamber not even Full. This thing is amazing.

 

[Receptor]

If you are talking about the holes at the small positive end of the battery. This is separate from the rest of the body keeping the positive & negative apart so they don't short out. If you pulled the plastic wrapper off you would see how the body ends and the nipple is separate . DO NOT USE A BATTERY WITHOUT THE WRAPPER because if you do you will find out those holes are to allow the battery to vent spewing hot gases and chemicals.

Just looked/compared the "Air" batts closely and are also vented at the + terminal
but not as obvious. So the batt chamber is open thru-out its entire body and sharing the air intake openings as a vent? No seperation??.....Hmmmmm

Gotta say....amazed at its highly advanced chip technology/design...xcept as stated....why.why.why
Laws of Thermodynamics...I get.....maybe not.

CANNABIS.....Cluster Headache....Re New Mission.....Good to-Go!!!

 

[kato1234]

For those who wonder.. or just like stats on speed, delivery, whatever..
Received my GH yesterday on St-Valentin day... in Montreal.

EDIT1: oh.. and i did not upgrade the shipping to priority.. just the default regular old snail mail (USPS-CANADA POST)

EDIT2: Canada Post was not helpfull at all.. the tracking was good with USPS then when was the time to hand over to canada post.. it went dark.. tracking inconnu/unknown.. then BAM at my door without notice.

The last known location was:

February 11, 2017
Processed Through Facility
ISC NEW YORK NY(USPS)


EDIT3: Good luck to the other Canadians.. should be there soon.. i am more affraid of RMA and defects than the shipping time.

My shipment went to NY and 14 days later arrived here still showing in NY on the USPS site. Between USPS and Canada Post I think we are lucky to ever get anything but they do beat getting things from China.

 

[Al..]

Hi Guys saw somebody looking for hopper batteries in Europe.. Vapefiend have some now..

 

[biohacker]

It was merely terse and to the point which seemed entirely reasonable to me as you were coming back at me for what I thought was also a polite and clear original quote"

Dude, all I wanted to know was why...I wasn't coming at you, and now I know it's because of robustness (which I agree to a point, don't forget about accidents and that 18mm glass joint - you can drop the GH) and you think that the EVO can produce vapour quality as good as the GH, that's the part that we disagree with. I wish the EVO could milk as densely as the GH gram for gram. I'll be illustrating with videos when I can.

And I do respect your opinion, but just wanted to add a snippet of a PM I just received that helps to show others what i've been experiencing as well:

"I'm not so certain you need an evo either. If you only have your GH on 5, then you would need a fully heat soaked Evo (15 minutes) to match that power. Plus, you would need more herb to get as much vapour out of it."

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Care to be a bit more explicit?

He's shitting on one of us, but I still haven't figured out who?

 

[kato1234]

Just looked/compared the "Air" batts closely and are also vented at the + terminal
but not as obvious. So the batt chamber is open thru-out its entire body and sharing the air intake openings as a vent? Hmmmm......

CANNABIS.....Cluster Headache....Re New Mission.....Good to-Go!!!

Not open there is a seal that blows when they vent

 

[mmafighterthe25]

Also received 2 more batteries today. Got a total of 4, only took 3 days to get the batteries

 

[Baron23]

Dude, all I wanted to know was why...I wasn't coming at you, and now I know it's because of robustness (which I agree to a point, don't forget about accidents and that 18mm glass joint - you can drop the GH) and you think that the EVO can produce vapour quality as good as the GH, that's the part that we disagree with. I wish the EVO could milk as densely as the GH gram for gram. I'll be illustrating with videos when I can.

And I do respect your opinion, but just wanted to add a snippet of a PM I just received that helps to show others what i've been experiencing as well:

"I'm not so certain you need an evo either. If you only have your GH on 5, then you would need a fully heat soaked Evo (15 minutes) to match that power. Plus, you would need more herb to get as much vapour out of it."



He's shitting on one of us, but I still haven't figured out who?

Let's just mark this up to another internet communications snafu, eh?

 

[Receptor]

Not open there is a seal that blows when they vent

Understood....so any venting is shared with the air/vent holes on the external body casing wich in turn
is a full open air loop thru-out the internals. From mouth piece to open back end of battery housing??

CANNABIS....Cluster Headache....ReNew...Mission. Good to-Go!!!

 

[Chose]

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Care to be a bit more explicit?


Well,
@biohacker - my reply may not have been friendly but it wasn't unfriendly either, IMO. It was merely terse and to the point which seemed entirely reasonable to me as you were coming back at me for what I thought was also a polite and clear original quote"

​

I think we are still not communicating well here. I did not state that the EVO can do something that the GH cannot. What I personally disagreed with (which is entirely my prerogative, would you not agree?) was this statement which is quite different:

biohacker said: ↑
EVO and Herbie simply cannot do what the GH can do, regardless of form factor.
​

Bottom line is that I love my GH but personally think that aside from portability, my EVO can extract equally as well with similar size loads in a more robust package. Just my view, is all.

I hit the wrong post
I was talking about poor battery performance with my year old hopper
Sorry

Modnote: Reply removed from quote tags

 

[formicae]

My Ti hopper arrived in the mail today, what a beaut, can't wait to get home and try it out.

Package was missing the leather sleeve, as someone mentioned might happen, as well as a battery (I ordered three extras, the hopper had one in it, but I ordered during one of the 'free extra battery' days so there should have been one more).

 

[biohacker]

Love seeing the Hopper clan grow!

 

[slcbdco]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/we-tested-some-of-the-best-weed-vapes-on-the-market

 

[MoltenTiger]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/we-tested-some-of-the-best-weed-vapes-on-the-market

Quality write up, cheers for the link

 

[JoeMama]

Yep, on all 4 of my GH's, whether screwing the backend on, or off, I always get a second of a red blink while going through the process. Normal I would think?

Not sure that I'd say "normal", but perhaps "benign". My other Ti doesn't do it... and it performs SO much better than this grey one I'm referring to.
I'm just not ready to put myself through another GHL back and forth if they're going to say nothing is wrong with it again. I guess I'll get around to it at some point; I kind of hope the thing just takes a crap first.

Hey @JoeMama - I've had the brief red flashing, but more commonly a brief gh "singing". Could never figure it out, and both have stopped now.

I wonder if it was because of a degraded battery? (I'm using new ghb2's now)

I had singing once, but it was even on a prior body at the time. I remember recoiling from it briefly thinking it was gonna explode or something.
Insofar as whether it is the battery, I can only say that I know squat about batteries... so much so that:

Alright guys, here's one for you.
I'll call it trailing a hit.

By trailing a hit, I mean using an insufficient power source where the GH just works only a little better than most vapes, instead of at its usual mind boggling capacity.

So the batteries are small and are really made for use with HL's included charger, which in my case is a rare thing. When the battery is at full capacity, it is most able to drive the hopper. After the first hit from the charger, the battery is physically incapable of reproducing the same energy curve output. And so theoretically every subsequent hit is an eventual reduction of performance of the power cell.
Li-ion discharges on its own, and so charging up a battery and storing it to use the next day will cause trailing a hit. The battery won't quite be able give full output (depending on it's quality/age) and the hopper will indicate flat batts quicker.
Alternatively, storing up flat batteries and charging them in time ready before use gives the hopper its full strength and the bowls will be next level thickshakes instead of basic milk.

I've been taking batteries from the hopper and placing them straight on the charger, I then store and pick them out later to use in the vape.

From now on I'm going to be swapping batteries more regularly and charging directly before use to get the maximum power curve offered more regularly.
The difference is astounding in cloud output, and I'd bet a lot of people might benefit from structuring their charge cycles better too...

@MoltenTiger , this is very interesting to me; so may I pick your brain a bit?

If I were to go by your observations and resulting actions with how you run the table on the batteries...

The easiest way to ask, is: How long can a battery stay on the charger (ie, being constantly topped off, so to speak), before it becomes an inefficient use of the battery?

I've been taking 4-off at a time, going a couple of days, and then repeating the cycle. I'm trying to determine the most effective way without being a slave having to top them off immediately prior to using them. KnowwhatImean??

Thanks!