Discontinued The Grasshopper
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If the serial #s are now in the 900s and they were in the 600s less then 10 pages ago, wouldn't that mean more people are receiving units?
tubasco
Well-Known Member
there's been speculation that the numbers are already emblazoned into the top cap piece before assembly, and likely aren't in numerical/chronological order.
i forget where exactly... few thousand pages back somewhere.
The ever increasing number of reporting satisfied users re product AND service DO however cause people to get their Grasshoppers SOONER, rather than later. I personally want to see Grasshopper succeed, and not fail due to doomsayers and fault finders. The pendulum has begun to swing decidedly in the direction of success as I see it, and I want the end user to also share in GH's success.
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there's been speculation that the numbers are already emblazoned into the top cap piece before assembly, and likely aren't in numerical/chronological order.
i forget where exactly... few thousand pages back somewhere.
Speculation.. and idt that would make much sense. Theres a reason for serial numbers
I am a huge arizer fan and the serial numbers actually have meaning to them. Solos with different serial numbers meant they had been updated units.
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
Until that one time they did a run of new style Solos with numbers that started with the same first three characters as an older run…
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
He replaced it because it didn't meet HIS standards for a customer experience. So since there has been a debate about the quality of the quoting in that post with respect to the replacement, allow me to be thorough because it answers both question about QC and proportion of FINE to dysfunctional. SPOLIER: When I said most units out there are not defective, I believe the quote was about 80/20 and notice how many more positive reviews are coming out from people who have apparently had one for weeks (I believe them because of how they describe their experience and I believe Trevor because I didn't even ask, he just told me, more on that later).
I got back from Oregon where me and 8 friends were using borderline abusing both cannabis and the GH. I sent Trevor a text when I got back like he asked me to do because he wanted to find out how it would perform under that circumstance RE: designated bachelor party pad vape for a week.
He asked me to come by because he wanted to inspect the ware. As he was taking a part the inside screen, he mentioned that so far it's been about 80/20 (I admit I can't quite remember if he mentioned anything about pre or post discovering the collar issue cus I was pretty high). He liked at the heater and it was spotless. He then asked me about whether I had cleaned the device at all that week which I hadn't apart from a dry q-tip and a paper clip in the hole when it got a little clogged.
THEN he took what bit of weed I had I the bowl, put it back in and then tried it in their machine because he just wanted to test performance. At that point he noticed the hot collar, replace JUST my back end because the replacement unit o got weeks ago was prior to the fixing of the collar problem.
I hadn't even complained about it and I did say in my oft miss quoted previous post that I actually asked if I can just keep to a. see if it actually would ever break and b. so they could get even just one more out the door because I likewise want to see them succeed. NOT my entire unit, JUST the backend was replaced because Trevor was dissatisfied, not me. I hope that sufficiently answers that question.
Refresher: The failure was the already know about and addressed backend and ONLY my backend was replaced meaning the rest of the unit including the all important HEATER did and still do work perfectly fine.
Their unit succes rate is about 80%
EDIT: One More Thing, the serial numbers DO mean something, that's how Trevor knew that the issue with my vape was with the collar because that collar was in the range of the bad batch. Also not everyone was bad, again most are fine and as my situation demonstrates the degree of failure varied. Again most were fine, if you have a hot collar email them with the serial number.
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tubasco
Well-Known Member
of course there's a reason for the serial numbers: just like any device it ties it to a specific owner.
it's also speculation to think someone is either putting the parts together in numerical order... or laser engraving numbers onto completed grasshoppers. (why risk damaging parts and/or the finish if it's not necessary?)
They can engrave the back ends and right before they go out assign them in order. But who knows?
Old School
Vape13man
would it be better to conveniently ignore the defects.... I for one don't want that to happen.... thats why we come here to find out whats happening and what all is real verses not.... besides then we know what to look for if ours misbehaves in anyway or is it something altogether different and therefore new....
I really do feel a couple of you are trying to bully some of the other posters.... yin / yang
positives are great to hear about for sure but we / I also wish to hear all the negative as well..... folks it is the meat or foundation of being an informed consumer...... great forum....
lemmeadem
Well-Known Member
Why is everyone jumping on @zymos for pointing out that there are still some kinks to be worked out?
It's not as if he's berating the company and telling people the product isn't worth a purchase - he's finding faults and analyzing said faults.
I, for one, think that's what FC is for - finding faults and triumphs in products to assure users as to what they're purchasing and analyzing them to determine the demographic that will put the most stock in the product and its features. The history of the GH makes it pretty clear that development has been pretty tumultuous and finding and fixing faults are part of the manufacturing process, so I think that the issues he's raising are very pertinent.
The more issues we raise, the more issues get fixed, the less we see unhappy users, the less we see people who would be dissatisfied after purchasing.
The GH could very well be the biggest and best portable on the market - what needs to happen for it to get there pertains entirely to how well the company deals with problems.
First Generation Ascents were, as a lot of you know, substandard and came with a myriad of problems. The second iteration Ascents were UNDOUBTEDLY better and I'd wager that FC had something to do with that due to the sheer volume of users suggesting improvements or flagging issues early on. I sold my second generation Ascent in favour of less-consuming vapes but the model I received was EONS better than a first generation Ascent a friend was using at the time (he had no frame of reference - came straight from combustion - and was quite happy but upon trying mine was very disheartened). I think that's what we're working to - the optimal iteration of this particular vape - and I'd be very surprised if Trevor didn't value very highly the criticisms leveled, and the support behind, this product.
We should all be as objective as possible to create the best product possible and that means weighing all causes for concern.
Regardless of criticism, this vape is still apparently head and shoulders above the majority of portables on the market, especially at this price point.
It's not as if he's berating the company and telling people the product isn't worth a purchase - he's finding faults and analyzing said faults.
I, for one, think that's what FC is for - finding faults and triumphs in products to assure users as to what they're purchasing and analyzing them to determine the demographic that will put the most stock in the product and its features. The history of the GH makes it pretty clear that development has been pretty tumultuous and finding and fixing faults are part of the manufacturing process, so I think that the issues he's raising are very pertinent.
The more issues we raise, the more issues get fixed, the less we see unhappy users, the less we see people who would be dissatisfied after purchasing.
The GH could very well be the biggest and best portable on the market - what needs to happen for it to get there pertains entirely to how well the company deals with problems.
First Generation Ascents were, as a lot of you know, substandard and came with a myriad of problems. The second iteration Ascents were UNDOUBTEDLY better and I'd wager that FC had something to do with that due to the sheer volume of users suggesting improvements or flagging issues early on. I sold my second generation Ascent in favour of less-consuming vapes but the model I received was EONS better than a first generation Ascent a friend was using at the time (he had no frame of reference - came straight from combustion - and was quite happy but upon trying mine was very disheartened). I think that's what we're working to - the optimal iteration of this particular vape - and I'd be very surprised if Trevor didn't value very highly the criticisms leveled, and the support behind, this product.
We should all be as objective as possible to create the best product possible and that means weighing all causes for concern.
Regardless of criticism, this vape is still apparently head and shoulders above the majority of portables on the market, especially at this price point.
Satisfied users also don't make for recreational outrage. It's nice to read good news, but bad news gets us amped. People are substantially more likely to voice bad news than good and it's more likely to be noticed and shared. Thus we see people claiming that "every one shipped is defective" or "only ten a week get shipped and nine of those are broken".
It's hilarious how people work themselves up over statistics they could not possibly extrapolate in any remotely useful sense, using the fine technique of "guesstimating" using their impressions of what might be happening based on the posts they happen to fixate on in two small and highly biased populations.
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Flyingcrocodile46
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A few people have expressed interest in a case for their grasshopper.
For any of you party animals that need to cater for big sessions how about making your own special party pack by filling one of these up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLACK-LEATHER-CEDAR-LINED-TRAVEL-CIGAR-CASE-HOLDER-HUMIDOR-/291522514284
1xSS, 1xPlain Ti & a couple of colored Ti's and your good to go.
For any of you party animals that need to cater for big sessions how about making your own special party pack by filling one of these up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLACK-LEATHER-CEDAR-LINED-TRAVEL-CIGAR-CASE-HOLDER-HUMIDOR-/291522514284
1xSS, 1xPlain Ti & a couple of colored Ti's and your good to go.
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Correct! I also totally get why the wait time is exacerbating that problem. I also think that since people are already upset about the wait time (which I think is itself a mistake because it's a crowd funded startup) some posters are suffering the "backfire effect" http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/
I also suspect that is part of the reason why:
1. Most people who have a GH already avoid these blogs (because unlike me, they are not pigs and don't enjoy rolling in shit ;-) )
2. Those who post positive experiences get trolled
3. I shouldn't have said that most of the devices out there are NOT defective (based on facts and evidence) that so far my personal "failure" rate with the GH is LESS than the FF (which I also replace twice but both times because it didn't work AT ALL) instead of "oh I'm a perfectionist company and even though your device has worked fine for a week long stoner trip to smoke dope, it's doing so below our exacting standards so here please have a new replacement part since the rest of it, after being used non-stop (durability) and never being cleaned (maintenance) is in PERFECT condition despite you the consumer not even noticing the defect that we the manufactured noticed and thinks "might" come up later.
Because by giving the doubters all the FACTS about why their concerns will be relieved once they have their grasshoppers in their hands I am only making them more paranoid.
So I'll try this, I've been lying the whole time, my Grasshoppper is a peice of garbage, I've replaced it seven times, each time Trevor called me an asshole and charged me 36 dollars and before I left for Portland I threw my GH in the garbage even though I coulda got $400 on eBay and defiantly took my Firefly and original pax which I somehow paid less than $99 on indiegogo for and all my friends were like "dude I'm so glad you didn't get duped into bringing that awful super efficient cannabis alchemy machine called the grasshopper on this trip because that woulda sucked, just like those nerds who invented it and anyone who doesn't know it's must suck.
For those living in real life however, I'll tell you about my awesome time at the Rockies game tomorrow ... SPOLIER ALERT: I was wrong about a fully packed bowl, I still prefer a pinch but sometimes a fully packed bowl comes in handy ;-)
As for now, I'm super baked from my GH inspired misadventures (GIM, still hoping that catches on but ya'll keep scaring GH owners off!) so good night to the unfortunate souls who read this far but one last thing .... HAVE I MENTIONED THE EFFICENCY?
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Bunch of baby BS going on. If you have one write your exp and review and let the rest of us draw our own conclusion. Rome wasn't built in a day. The potential of this device is astronomical. But it will never reach its full potential unless every kink is worked out.
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
My previous vapes that I actually used where the pax, pax2 and Firefly. I wish I had a vape to compare the GH to but it just kicks all three of their asses, the closest being the FF since its at least convection but as far as I know (this reddit dashing my thoughts that although double the price maybe the crafty is comparable https://www.reddit.com/r/vaporents/comments/3e80q0/my_grasshopper_pre_review_better_than_the_crafty/)
In terms of "I need to put X amount of product for it to work optimally (pax taking the most then firefly as both work optimally with packed bowls) the GH is MORE efficient on two counts.
1. That it works equally welove regardless the amount except for (in my experience) reduced airflow with a tight full pack which with th exception of the experience at the Rockies game tonight which I might post on tomorrow, I never pack it full.
2. The amount of effect I feel per the amount of product used.
When I say pinch, I mean after 3 weeks, I use crazy small amounts of product, take 5-6 rips per bowl, usually starting somewhere 3-4 and end somewhere 4-5 as a temp step to finish it and I am plenty baked and I am an all day everyday consumer with fairly high tolerance. Pretty much the only thing that gets me higher per hit is a dab. As a result I actually vape fewer times per day which is not something I would have excepted since I really like the flavor, it's just that I'm high and want to carry on with my day.
Not to
but access to cannabis is NO PROBLEM for me, I can have as much as I want whenever I want it. Discretion is not a problem for me, I consume what I want where I want. I am not a "medical" user (in the sense that I suffer from anything, I'm sure my cannabis use is keeping me healthy but if I didn't consume for a few days I would be absolutely fine, fortunately that's not come up in I don't know say a decade) and I LIKE smoking. I like everything about it, I love Vaping also, I like both, call me bismokual.I NEVER thought I would be impressed by efficency. I bought a Firefly because I was told it was the flavor champ. Owning both I would say the GH is more flavorful but the efficiency of it is its BEST feature, not to denegrate the others.
The GH is by FAR the most efficient tool I have for cannabis consumption as well as my most frequently used method. I have enjoyed that I consume fewer times a day for the same effect. I did actually by a high CBD strain today because I sorta miss the time I used to spend Vaping so I figure if I'm less ripped I could vape more often.
What's your experience? how are you genrally using it. It's DEFINTLEY a personal device (optimally anyway) so I'm curious to see where others landed!
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lemmeadem
Well-Known Member
This thread is the most combative thread on FC - think I might take a break from spectating until everything's cooled down.
For what it's worth, I really like how the GH has been received by the people who've reported good results. That doesn't mean we should discard any concerns or mitigate any voicing of faults (however miniscule - how many people with a Vapman worried openly about charring and cracking early on?).
Happy vapin', y'all! I'm headed over to the Lotus/Vapman/Hammer threads to sample the spectrum of butane vapes for an apocalypse vape.
For what it's worth, I really like how the GH has been received by the people who've reported good results. That doesn't mean we should discard any concerns or mitigate any voicing of faults (however miniscule - how many people with a Vapman worried openly about charring and cracking early on?).
Happy vapin', y'all! I'm headed over to the Lotus/Vapman/Hammer threads to sample the spectrum of butane vapes for an apocalypse vape.
Jazzah
Well-Known Member
Happy vapin', y'all! I'm headed over to the Lotus/Vapman/Hammer threads to sample the spectrum of butane vapes for an apocalypse vape.
How do you plan on making butane during an apocalypse? I think you should have a look at the Okin by D.M. Pipes, currently in testing but soon to be released
Kalessin
Well-Known Member
Personally when the apocalypse hits I'm gonna make it one of my priorities to acquire a sizeable stock of butane haha