Discontinued The Grasshopper

Snappo

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@Snappo[/USER] don't know if that's your review or not but get ready for onslaught,,,,"
Nope - not my review. I don't have mine yet. Seems there are differences in perceptions among current reviewers, some who experience reasonable not-too-uncomfortable heat, and some who feel it gets very hot under similarly reported usage conditions. Of course, users may be drawing harder than others or taking more draws, etc... so, too many variables among different users to really make an accurate across-the-board assessment.
 

herbalist33

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I cleaned the battery ends (thin film of dark colored substance) and cleaned the threading off. There was some grime from the manufacturing process I believe. Testing after that, problem went aw

Umm, is it only me that thinks your description sounds like the battery leaked inside your hopper following a short? That dark coloured substance could be discharging from the battery.
 

Jared

Cannabis Enthusiast
I wouldn't say people are complaining, I'd say people are reporting the heat - it's a well known fact by this point that the mouthpiece get's hot fast. But I don't care - because my Pax can't go from 60F to 385F in under 5 seconds.

My question is - does the TI mouthpiece get hot faster or slower than SS version?
I would imagine since Grasshopper Labs doesn't even list anything about the thermal properties under the Ti feature section of the website that the difference is miniscule. They would be using it as a selling point if there was a noticeable difference I would think.

GHL said:
Features:
  • Durable, lightweight titanium exterior
  • Specifically designed for dry or loose-leaf herbs
  • Adjustable temperature range between 130°C - 210°C (266°F - 410°F)
  • 5-second startup time
  • User-replaceable battery
  • True convection technology
  • Mechanical button for great on/off feel
  • Magnetic charging connection
 
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Fission

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If I'm remembering right, they used to mention better thermal properties of the titanium on the comparison on the site. Maybe they realized that there's not a huge difference and took it down. It not being there anymore is certainly an indicator that TI is probably not significantly better in that regard.
 
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sundaddy

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"The Titanium Grasshopper is everything that the Stainless Grasshopper is, and more. The unique thermal properties of titanium allow for even greater performance in a package that’s identical in size, but more durable and lighter." As quoted from their site
 
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syrupy

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After I had taken the main pieces apart to check it out, once it was out back together, the back end got really friggen hot. Like, hot as in I had shut it off and take the back end and battery out. I cleaned the battery ends (thin film of dark colored substance) and cleaned the threading off. There was some grime from the manufacturing process I believe. Testing after that, problem went away.

Good news your hopper is back to hopping. I would suggest keeping a very close eye on heat coming from the back-end, check the battery and its contacts often. Excessive heat coming from a battery is no joke. I would be emailing support for advice and to make sure they can document the issue. It's really the only way they can tell if an issue is widespread or not.
 

Just Justin

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So this thing makes a ticking noise whenever it's on (it's subtle, but it's there). Some people have posted about this, but i recall others saying it had stopped. What's the verdict on that? Mines does it whenever it's on.
After I had taken the main pieces apart to check it out, once it was out back together, the back end got really friggen hot. Like, hot as in I had shut it off and take the back end and battery out. I cleaned the battery ends (thin film of dark colored substance) and cleaned the threading off. There was some grime from the manufacturing process I believe. Testing after that, problem went away. I think this thing is sensitive in that regards. Make sure back end is kept clean, and battery terminals. Other than that, wow. This thing takes so little and works so well. I'm extremely impressed. Showed my buddy and he's like "that's it? You've waited almost two years for that??", his opinion changed after his first draw. :)
Edit: And one thing I was annoyed with, I'm a holiday backer, Upgraded to ti. Never got a leather sleeve. I knew I wasn't getting the ss case just yet, but should have received the leather case.

The ticking noise is normal. Like someone said, it's the heaters high voltage current switching on/off to maintain the current temp is how I think Trevor explained it to me. I'll double check and 're-read my email but it's completely normal. It sounds like a grasshopper!?.....? Sort of.....
 
Given that the body is used as a part of the electronic signal, any grime in the threading could cause problems. The gunk on your batteries happens when arcing of the high-amperage signal from battery to connection point occurs. That's my best guess for the heat and potentially the sound you're hearing.

Just my 0.02 on it - my ecigs get that gunk on the battery terms, especially my mechanical devices. Best to keep all threading and connections squeaky clean.
 

Joel W.

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I was chatting with my delivery guy about the grasshopper being released finally and asked if he has heard about them yet? He said yes he had and said he had one in his car! I about shit. :p

We walk out to the car and he pulls a butane powered combustion pipe out and asked me to try it. I took a small pull to be polite and wow, I forgot how nasty combustion pipes tasted like. :puke:
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Before this thread goes into a speculation/misinformation death spiral I want to make a couple of points 100% clear. My source of intelligence is ACTUALLY having a Grasshopper 3 weeks using it like crazy and ACTUALLY talking to Trevor IN PERSON about EXACTLY these questions.

The ticking sounds is SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. If you do NOT have a ticking sound (or as we're calling it the little Grasshooper song) then THAT is a problem. Email support.

The collar that holds the clip in the backend should NOT be getting excessively hot. It is possible to have that backend defect and the unit still work fine otherwise. How do I know? I got back from the week long vacation where I was using the shit out of I with no problems. It didn't even occur to me the ring heat was a problem. That wasn't even why I was at Hopper labs.

I went because Trevor wanted to inspect the device after that kind of use to see how it's holding up. For context he wanted to see what would happen to a GH after spending a week with 8 stoners at a beach house in Oregon, this thing was one pretty much non stop and I never cleaned it apart from occasionally clearing out condensed oil from the tip or swabbing the inside with a clean q-tip.


He took the inside screen off because he wanted to see if anything had passed below it onto the heater (it was spotless). Before he could do that we had to finish what was left in the bowl through their machine and that is when he noticed the hot ring. He went through the device everything was fine with it but he replaced it for me anyway. Yes if you're getting the hot collar that is an error and you should contact GH Labs EVEN if it's still working.

One more thing one about errors:

1. If you bridge the connection at the backend with metal it will briefly flash red. That is NOT an error, remember that the charger is metal and magnets so what is happening is that is briefly thinking it's being charged, it figures it out immediately so you don't have to worry about a quarter in your pocket discharging your vape.

2. There are error lights that come on in the very rare instance you have actually overpowered the heater or the heater gets hot beyond its tolerance. The light flashes blue/red and returns to blue when tempature is restored which takes about a second. I really only had this happen during the new toy phase when i was ripping huge bowls on temp 5 through a bubbler. I can't believe I used to do that ah youth ....

Anyway now that I've fallen into how i like to use hit, heat and error lights are not problems at all but I wanted to give folks some parameters of what is normal. Despite what @zymos implications, the majority of units sent out have NOT had defects, the biggest one which was the back collar has been indentified and again folks remember, this isn't Apple, it's a $300,000 crowd funded startup and since I've had to ship back my Firefly twice ($270) because it stopped working altogether and my pax once ($250 or whatever it was 3 years ago) because it stopped working altogether and my Apple watch ($350) because it had a bug, I feel like one GH that stopped working, and a second which was WORKING FINE and its error only got noticed by the MANUFACTURER and was replaced because HE wanted to replace it (I did say hey man don't worry about me, this one is still working fine and I know other folks are impatient for theirs, GH's commitment to quality control trumped my spirit of community, probably a good thing) I gotta say that's AMAZING for the $99 i paid for it and certainly would still be amazing customer service for $135, $150, $200? still got at least $50 to go till you get to the retail price of vapes that have been on the market for years, backed my much better capitalized companies, are inferior in every objective way and STILL BREAK!

So speaking as someone with 3 weeks of experience with this vape, I can't wait for all of you to have one and in the mean time DON'T PANIC!

If you want to believe the hype I would recommend that though :-)
 

grokit

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They won't rule the world if those are the retail price points. I'm hopeful that they are making money at $135. If they are, then this could be a real success. Think of the $135 as the insider's price that we get to take advantage of because we are in the know. But the world knows nothing of this thing. It takes a lot of marketing power and distribution infrastructure to get them to the masses and make money, and they will only do that if they have built in enough head room on their final retail price. I would love to see it debut to the public at $275. If they can hit this price point and still get the guys like VapeWorld involved with their marketing power and distribution, it will work wonderfully. The function and feature set command a higher price, so it should be an easy sell at that price point. If they plan to only sell them for $135, they will never get into the big distribution channels and it will go the path of a slow death or an even slower success.
I totally understand this perspective, but mine is a bit different. I am hoping that by improving their efficiency of assembly they can have a shot of at least not completely forsaking their original price goals (back from when the "insider price" was only $99). They need to not only streamline the assembly process, but also quite obviously minimize the failure rates. If they can do this, and if they can run a tight ship while insisting on tight margins (and price controls) by their distribution network, then maybe they have a shot:

"It will only cost $99.00 USD for you to own a ZenPen during the Kickstarter campaign.
We have worked hard to keep the costs low and bring you a great product at an affordable rate. It was always one of our goals to make the ZenPen available to as many people as possible and we hope this price point will really help with that."


Maybe they will need to create assembly robots before going into full production :evil:
 
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Before this thread goes into a speculation/misinformation death spiral I want to make a couple of points 100% clear. My source of intelligence is ACTUALLY having a Grasshopper 3 weeks using it like crazy and ACTUALLY talking to Trevor IN PERSON about EXACTLY these questions.

The ticking sounds is SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. If you do NOT have a ticking sound (or as we're calling it the little Grasshooper song) then THAT is a problem. Email support.

The collar that holds the clip in the backend should NOT be getting excessively hot. It is possible to have that backend defect and the unit still work fine otherwise. How do I know? I got back from the week long vacation where I was using the shit out of I with no problems. It didn't even occur to me the ring heat was a problem. That wasn't even why I was at Hopper labs.

I went because Trevor wanted to inspect the device after that kind of use to see how it's holding up. For context he wanted to see what would happen to a GH after spending a week with 8 stoners at a beach house in Oregon, this thing was one pretty much non stop and I never cleaned it apart from occasionally clearing out condensed oil from the tip or swabbing the inside with a clean q-tip.


He took the inside screen off because he wanted to see if anything had passed below it onto the heater (it was spotless). Before he could do that we had to finish what was left in the bowl through their machine and that is when he noticed the hot ring. He went through the device everything was fine with it but he replaced it for me anyway. Yes if you're getting the hot collar that is an error and you should contact GH Labs EVEN if it's still working.

One more thing one about errors:

1. If you bridge the connection at the backend with metal it will briefly flash red. That is NOT an error, remember that the charger is metal and magnets so what is happening is that is briefly thinking it's being charged, it figures it out immediately so you don't have to worry about a quarter in your pocket discharging your vape.

2. There are error lights that come on in the very rare instance you have actually overpowered the heater or the heater gets hot beyond its tolerance. The light flashes blue/red and returns to blue when tempature is restored which takes about a second. I really only had this happen during the new toy phase when i was ripping huge bowls on temp 5 through a bubbler. I can't believe I used to do that ah youth ....

Anyway now that I've fallen into how i like to use hit, heat and error lights are not problems at all but I wanted to give folks some parameters of what is normal. Despite what @zymos implications, the majority of units sent out have NOT had defects, the biggest one which was the back collar has been indentified and again folks remember, this isn't Apple, it's a $300,000 crowd funded startup and since I've had to ship back my Firefly twice ($270) because it stopped working altogether and my pax once ($250 or whatever it was 3 years ago) because it stopped working altogether and my Apple watch ($350) because it had a bug, I feel like one GH that stopped working, and a second which was WORKING FINE and its error only got noticed by the MANUFACTURER and was replaced because HE wanted to replace it (I did say hey man don't worry about me, this one is still working fine and I know other folks are impatient for theirs, GH's commitment to quality control trumped my spirit of community, probably a good thing) I gotta say that's AMAZING for the $99 i paid for it and certainly would still be amazing customer service for $135, $150, $200? still got at least $50 to go till you get to the retail price of vapes that have been on the market for years, backed my much better capitalized companies, are inferior in every objective way and STILL BREAK!

So speaking as someone with 3 weeks of experience with this vape, I can't wait for all of you to have one and in the mean time DON'T PANIC!

If you want to believe the hype I would recommend that though :-)
I hate when I'm expecting a nice juicy bite of Apple product and I get a mouthful of bugs.
 
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Grimkrum

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Long time lurker usually never post but i had a bit of input I wanted to share. I was the 2nd backer on the kickstarter campaign. I purchased three stainless and a regular TI. My dd used to be a d20 and an enano with a great experience. I have owned a fair share of others (pax, volcano, mflb, vapman, a random box vape by vapor brothers, goboof, pinnacle, LSV, etc.) and I must say I agree with tge "definetly believe the hype" side of this discussion. This Vape without the tip is the ultimate one person stealth powerhouse. Quick, with extraction that rivals the nano, in a compact package like this is definetly a massive improvement over any other unit I have ever tried. Once you put on the silicone nipple I don't see why this could not be a great Vape for multiple people or a companion to your favorite water filtration. Absolutely milks anything I have thrown at it and I am not exaggerating or trying to play into the hype with any of this. The only complaints to this point I have had is the mouthpiece native with more than one person is too hot to use in comfort by hit 5ish. Silicone mouth piece fixes that and if it is on it can go and go. The battery life is not stunning or anything but it has not exactly let me down yet although I do carry the spare and do swap them (great feature after life in the pinnacle, pax world). Both gets me through a whole day and night (5-10 sessions). The loading process is not worse than most vapes but i feel like they could come up with a solution like S&B does with their portables !!!!!!!! Anyone with ties to these guys please push this feature as an add on!!!!!!! Anyways if you have yet to order I would before they raise the price. Either way I have no skin in the game and found my new DD. Wrapped up the nano and put it in the vape grave yard.
 
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SiDankies

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Would adding an oring under the MP where it screws onto the body. It might not get rid of all the heat, but just an improvement ?
 
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Jared

Cannabis Enthusiast
Everyone that keeps saying they only have 300k total needs to remember pre orders where you pay in full and receive nothing have been open for quite a while now. We have no idea how many orders they've received as far as I'm aware but I think it's safe to say more than a few.
 

zymos

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So, the short version is that slcbdo had a defective GH which Trevor exchanged for another one. Just because it didn't totally fail before you were able to show it to Trevor in person doesn't mean it wasn't defective.

Quoting the post above: "it is possible to have the backend defect and the unit still work still work fine otherwise". "Yes if you are getting the hot collar that is an error and you should contact GH labs EVEN if it's still working"
 

Snappo

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So, the short version is that slcbdo had a defective GH which Trevor exchanged for another one. Just because it didn't totally fail before you were able to show it to Trevor in person doesn't mean it wasn't defective.

Quoting the post above: "it is possible to have the backend defect and the unit still work still work fine otherwise". "Yes if you are getting the hot collar that is an error and you should contact GH labs EVEN if it's still working"
Here's the complete original version WITHOUT the innuendo -
"The collar that holds the clip in the backend should NOT be getting excessively hot. It is possible to have that backend defect and the unit still work fine otherwise. How do I know? I got back from the week long vacation where I was using the shit out of I with no problems. It didn't even occur to me the ring heat was a problem. That wasn't even why I was at Hopper labs."
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Would adding an oring under the MP where it screws onto the body. It might not get rid of all the heat, but just an improvement ?


That wouldn't work because the threads are at the top of the inside of the mouthpiece. That said, as @Grimkrum points out for one or 2 personal hits at a time which is the way I use it 80% of the time the heat is NOT an issue at all and for those rare occasions just throw on the silicone tip.

No of the people praising the GH are saying it's the best vape for every person in every circumstance, what we are saying is that this is a Brand New Device, there is nothing quite like it and it sounds like other folks have much broader vape experience than I do.

This is a new product category, it's is what the Firefly was trying to be, instant-on convection but GH managed do it at half the price for in my opinion owning both, twice at least the device.

I would really recommend just waiting until you've tried a GH. Most of the issues people who haven't tried one are concerned about are solved by one of two easy to do options.

1. Buy a MUCH more expensive vape that is better at that one thing (pax2 for session $270, Crafty for coolness and flavor -regardless the reddit post where that GH says it's BETTER all around than his Crafty or this thread where I've said the GH kicks the pax2's ass $330).

2. Buy a second GH. It's designed to function optimally as a personal device. I understand some people find it really important that everyone else's lips touches the same device as theirs in order to get high. For me if I really need that level of intimacy I'd much rather by a second GH you use yours, I use mine and then we can just make out afterwards. Not to mention 2 GH's still cheaper than 1 Crafty.


Sure if you use the device in suboptimal situations it will perform suboptimally. And if you don't like the way the GH performs in situations you like to be in, get a vape optimal for that situation. But for the benefit of those who are really coming here to find out about the GH lets refrain from assuming the people who have actually used one don't know what they're talking about because some people are frustrated by the delays or don't want to believe this vape is as awesome as it is for whatever reason, can we take all the speculation on the GH guys being crooks and the GH supporters being paid shills or out of their minds to another thread?

I mean I almost take that back because some of the crazy speculation is pretty entertaining, especially while really high after treating yo self to a GH but for those who really do come here for information maybe we should start a GH Tea Party thread! I would totally read it for the same reasons I watch Fox News and Jerry Springer, pure entertain value!
 

zymos

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Why don't you just quote the next couple of paragraphs then? About how it was replaced? That's not innuendo, and it's not my words or my story.

Did Trevor just replace it because it everything was perfectly fine? If so, why would he do that?
 
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SiDankies

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That wouldn't work because the threads are at the top of the inside of the mouthpiece. That said, as @Grimkrum points out for one or 2 personal hits at a time which is the way I use it 80% of the time the heat is NOT an issue at all and for those rare occasions just throw on the silicone tip.

No of the people praising the GH are saying it's the best vape for every person in every circumstance, what we are saying is that this is a Brand New Device, there is nothing quite like it and it sounds like other folks have much broader vape experience than I do.

This is a new product category, it's is what the Firefly was trying to be, instant-on convection but GH managed do it at half the price for in my opinion owning both, twice at least the device.

I would really recommend just waiting until you've tried a GH. Most of the issues people who haven't tried one are concerned about are solved by one of two easy to do options.

1. Buy a MUCH more expensive vape that is better at that one thing (pax2 for session $270, Crafty for coolness and flavor -regardless the reddit post where that GH says it's BETTER all around than his Crafty or this thread where I've said the GH kicks the pax2's ass $330).

2. Buy a second GH. It's designed to function optimally as a personal device. I understand some people find it really important that everyone else's lips touches the same device as theirs in order to get high. For me if I really need that level of intimacy I'd much rather by a second GH you use yours, I use mine and then we can just make out afterwards. Not to mention 2 GH's still cheaper than 1 Crafty.


Sure if you use the device in suboptimal situations it will perform suboptimally. And if you don't like the way the GH performs in situations you like to be in, get a vape optimal for that situation. But for the benefit of those who are really coming here to find out about the GH lets refrain from assuming the people who have actually used one don't know what they're talking about because some people are frustrated by the delays or don't want to believe this vape is as awesome as it is for whatever reason, can we take all the speculation on the GH guys being crooks and the GH supporters being paid shills or out of their minds to another thread?

I mean I almost take that back because some of the crazy speculation is pretty entertaining, especially while really high after treating yo self to a GH but for those who really do come here for information maybe we should start a GH Tea Party thread! I would totally read it for the same reasons I watch Fox News and Jerry Springer, pure entertain value!

I have no issues dealing with heat, worst comes to worst i use the silicone tip, i was just wondering if an ORING would be able to redirect some of tat heat
 
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Snappo

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Why don't you just quote the next couple of paragraphs then? About how it was replaced? That's not innuendo, and it's not my words or my story.

Did Trevor just replace it because it everything was perfectly fine? If so, why would he do that?
Trevor took care of business because he readily and honestly acknowledged there was a defect, despite the fact that the end user had no idea that there was one. What's your story, what's your point, besides trying to find fault, as always, where there is none?
 

zymos

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My point, again, is that there are many reports of defective grasshoppers. It's great they are taking care of them, and I've never said or even implied other wise.
Make of it what you want, or make nothing of it....
 

Snappo

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My point, again, is that there are many reports of defective grasshoppers.
Make of it what you want, or make nothing of it....
How convenient it is to ignore, then, the ever increasing number of reports from satisfied GH reviewers, to include among those many reports the admirable and immediate way in which the GH team issues replacements and openly reports on the necessary fixes.
 
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