Discontinued The Grasshopper

tubasco

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So ive been Using this mouthpiece for a while now, and ive got some pms since my original post. So ive been wondering if u guys want me to make them and sell them on ebay or something. If so ill send my gf to make a bunch :-). (can be made more pleasing to the eye as the guy who made them makes some amazing things).
Yes please!!
 
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VegNVape

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Thanks that's awesome. I didn't even think something like that existed. This would be perfect for my setup
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Awesome !
I actually saw this adapter in a sublimator video when I was shopping for my bong
I didn't try and find one standalone, so thanks for the links and great pics - this is a perfect solution here by the looks. Cheers for the info, I will still have to work something out for my 18mm male piece when it gets here. Could use a F/F adapter, but it would be nice to have a bit of wooden bling perhaps.......

......I've been using rings of silicone whip as a buffer on the hopper tonight, but I'm definitely going to order one of those teflon gaskets.

What kind of consistency is the teflon? ie. hard/rigid / soft/spungy
Hey, I hope it proves useful for y'all. The Teflon is fairly hard btw - not soft or spongey at all - but it does have a very small amount of 'give' in it, and it mates with the Hopper mouthpiece pretty much perfectly.

Hows the sublimator taste compared to normal vapes?

I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about the differences between a GH and a sublimator, I'd love to give one a try one day.
Does the sub just produce similar to the best yield clouds of the hopper continuously, where as the hopper definitely has a peak of production during a hit? Or is sublimation really a different take on consumption again?
O.k, so I don't want to wander too far off topic here, but I will say that the Sublimator is an entirely different beast when compared to the Hopper. In fact imo, they are pretty much incomparable, and I would personally never use one in place of the other.

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However, from my experience, I think that the Sublimator can reach higher temperatures, and provide a further toasty level of extraction than is achievable in the Hopper, and at a faster rate. Now, it is possible, and I can personally kill a full Hopper bowl in one long, water filtered, full power hit. But imo, the Sub provides true, intended one hit extraction - even for those of you without the lung capacity of a small 4-man tent! :D

Keep the vapor pathway nice & clean, and I think that the flavor achievable from the Sub, especially dry, is as bigÑtasty as you might expect - snappin' all of those terps in one gratifying hit see's to that. However, the flavor can deteriorate rather quickly, so keeping the unit clean is essential.

Now, it may be slow on the uptake, but once up to temp, the Sublimator never fails to produce thick milk, almost as soon as you draw. It's a cloud chasers dream, imo.

Anyway, enough of this blasphemy! Let's get back on track with my beloved Holly Hopper - which thankfully fits right in my pocket and is not a potential fire risk, precariously balanced atop a piece of my cherished glass, in the middle of my coffee table . . . . :cool:

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Ahhhh Amsterdam . . . .
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Right, I'm off to the next dimension.
Who's with me?!!
;)


VapeLove!
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MoltenTiger

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@VegNVape awesome post yet again ! :tup:
Cheers for the responses, it is all interesting insight.
Overall it seems comparable to comparing the EQ to the GH, there's more than just the subtle differences in effect and experience, mostly brought on by the extra heat achievable and the greater size of material that can be placed inside the device.
I will still have to try the sublimator one day, but for the most part and the time being - not being burnt and still getting wasted is a-ok with me. Any day now too, I'll be able to pair the GH with the EQ and I think that will offer some ludicrous stereo cloud production!

I really dig your blue GH btw, those pics are spiking my excitement for mine :)
See you in the next dimension, I should perhaps utilise the supermarket in this one prior though :science:
 

Kasish

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Hey, I hope it proves useful for y'all. The Teflon is fairly hard btw - not soft or spongey at all - but it does have a very small amount of 'give' in it, and it mates with the Hopper mouthpiece pretty much perfectly.




O.k, so I don't want to wander too far off topic here, but I will say that the Sublimator is an entirely different beast when compared to the Hopper. In fact imo, they are pretty much incomparable, and I would personally never use one in place of the other.

oranges-apples.jpg

However, from my experience, I think that the Sublimator can reach higher temperatures, and provide a further toasty level of extraction than is achievable in the Hopper, and at a faster rate. Now, it is possible, and I can personally kill a full Hopper bowl in one long, water filtered, full power hit. But imo, the Sub provides true, intended one hit extraction - even for those of you without the lung capacity of a small 4-man tent! :D

Keep the vapor pathway nice & clean, and I think that the flavor achievable from the Sub, especially dry, is as bigÑtasty as you might expect - snappin' all of those terps in one gratifying hit see's to that. However, the flavor can deteriorate rather quickly, so keeping the unit clean is essential.

Now, it may be slow on the uptake, but once up to temp, the Sublimator never fails to produce thick milk, almost as soon as you draw. It's a cloud chasers dream, imo.

Anyway, enough of this blasphemy! Let's get back on track with my beloved Holly Hopper - which thankfully fits right in my pocket and is not a potential fire risk, precariously balanced atop a piece of my cherished glass, in the middle of my coffee table . . . . :cool:

y6okQHv.jpg

Ahhhh Amsterdam . . . .
LXW72FL.jpg


latest


Right, I'm off to the next dimension.
Who's with me?!!
;)


VapeLove!
:peace:
U won me over with that Amsterdam pic..
 

kingfisher

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Hahaha what a shit comparison. Some critical points I picked up on or I feel are critical in my comparison of the two.
1. The video guy was running the gh at dead battery level. Started at probably 1/3. Two hits to reach blinking lights. I've noticed I get considerably less vapor production at this battery level. I can usually tell when the red lights are about to blink.

2. Watch closely gh gives more vapor in one hit than the ff2 did in 3.

3. I am surprised about the comments of the gh vapor being too hot. Finally tested it out and I had no issues. Even ripped it on setting 5. Yes the mp got warm, but I completed a hit by then. Waited 20 seconds and it had cooled. Maybe I have just learned from other vapes like the original iolite to aim the air around yo mouth so you dont get dry spots. Anyway this is a non factor to me. Ff has always been a portable session vape. I don't want a session vape. Tired of sitting for 20 min when all I want is a buzz.

4. How long does a ff2 battery last? How much do they cost? Since the ff2 needs to be ran approximately 3x longer than gh to get the same vapor out. I would need it to last at least 3x as long. I know the original had a short life.

5. The gh is so much more versitle. Want a session vape that pumps clouds and connects to water accessories? Done. Want a quick discrete one hitter? Done.

Lastly I will leave you with this mental picture. This weekend I had a bachelor party out at the bars. I usually don't enjoy bar events. My drug of choice is not available and the drinks are expensive. I was able to play darts, socialize, and rip my gh without anyone noticing anything was going on. Even more entertaining was when I blew the vapor into security guys face. Well it was accidental, he walked into it. Then I got to watch them run around looking for someone smoking. Haha. Try that with a ff2. BTW I am not in a friendly state.
 
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slcbdco

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So ive been Using this mouthpiece for a while now, and ive got some pms since my original post. So ive been wondering if u guys want me to make them and sell them on ebay or something. If so ill send my gf to make a bunch :-). (can be made more pleasing to the eye as the guy who made them makes some amazing things).
I'll take one

What temp level you running?

I temp step usually, starting around 2.5 going up to 4
 
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MoltenTiger

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Hahaha what a shit comparison.
Bahaha what a koala "load the chamber with some of my Eucalyptus leaves" :lol:

I think you have made some good points there.

Overall, it wasn't terrible, but I would say he must be more sensitive to heat than others, so I won't make any cardigan jokes.
I will say, I can quite comfortably use my GH like he did, even more so without the silicone tip. Initially its smoother than a MFLB, and after say 4 drags it overtakes it, becoming hotter and thicker (feels like smoke, literally like toking a joint) but it takes some serious use to heat it up proper.

Just took a bunch of test drags, and yep - it's definitely warm but on a cold night, that's more than welcome.

That said, when comparing the vapour quality of the GH and Mighty, the cooler hit from the Mighty is a lot nicer, much more premium feeling - like it was made to drag directly. The GH definitely is a harsher way to inhale, but it's only vapour so it's pretty tolerable. And I have methods (waterpipes) to cool the bigger hits, which he mentions, and that is my intended use, so for me watching his review, it seems relevant that the GH is definitely the better device for me, and I have no interest in a FF2 or even a Mighty now I own a hopper. They are just too big and cumbersome for my usage, although I deem both of them to be better devices to use natively.

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I've been meaning to mention this for a while, but keep on forgetting. One of my biggest annoyances with the GH is when dialling down the temperature, it is really easy to accidentally unscrew the back-end.
I usually secure the back-end by placing my thumb on the right side of the clip when dialling down.
Overall a very minor downside, but it's very hard to change temps with one hand.
 

hi_there

Well-Known Member
The vapor from the GH is hot, through water this thing is crazy good at medicating. As far as using it in the raw (sans condom) you just need to figure out your own personal technique. I personally put my lips a little further down and open my mouth a bit to let in outside air, it makes for a cooler draw. No doubt you are sacrificing something to get this form factor, but I think it is worth it for the stealth on-the-go.
 

Vapetrees

Vaped Out
Bahaha what a koala "load the chamber with some of my Eucalyptus leaves" :lol:

I think you have made some good points there.

Overall, it wasn't terrible, but I would say he must be more sensitive to heat than others, so I won't make any cardigan jokes.
I will say, I can quite comfortably use my GH like he did, even more so without the silicone tip. Initially its smoother than a MFLB, and after say 4 drags it overtakes it, becoming hotter and thicker (feels like smoke, literally like toking a joint) but it takes some serious use to heat it up proper.

Just took a bunch of test drags, and yep - it's definitely warm but on a cold night, that's more than welcome.

That said, when comparing the vapour quality of the GH and Mighty, the cooler hit from the Mighty is a lot nicer, much more premium feeling - like it was made to drag directly. The GH definitely is a harsher way to inhale, but it's only vapour so it's pretty tolerable. And I have methods (waterpipes) to cool the bigger hits, which he mentions, and that is my intended use, so for me watching his review, it seems relevant that the GH is definitely the better device for me, and I have no interest in a FF2 or even a Mighty now I own a hopper. They are just too big and cumbersome for my usage, although I deem both of them to be better devices to use natively.

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I've been meaning to mention this for a while, but keep on forgetting. One of my biggest annoyances with the GH is when dialling down the temperature, it is really easy to accidentally unscrew the back-end.
I usually secure the back-end by placing my thumb on the right side of the clip when dialling down.
Overall a very minor downside, but it's very hard to change temps with one hand.
Ah, try pushing down on the dial as you turn it and it should make it easier.
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
I lost my mouthpiece months ago, I think there are people who are so heat sensitive that they would use the mouthpiece always or just not be into the grasshopper but in my experience of people having a Grasshoper and my own most people can use it without the mouthpiece no problem and over time they stop using it. I can't even find mine!
 

Vapetrees

Vaped Out
I lost my mouthpiece months ago, I think there are people who are so heat sensitive that they would use the mouthpiece always or just not be into the grasshopper but in my experience of people having a Grasshoper and my own most people can use it without the mouthpiece no problem and over time they stop using it. I can't even find mine!
I never use mine either unless I am going through water with it. I really don't feel the need for it, and for the most part I have to wait a while between hits because it's so potent. I have to take some time in between hits for that reason.
 

Eatrocks

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Hopper labs need to get they shit together...they've had years to do that so they prob will never. They've easily had a million plus dollars in orders/preorders...most of them will break in a few weeks...wtf.
 
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hi_there

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Ya, mine came broken. But now that I am in for a penny....I hope they don't go under - have a feeling I will need the warranty. I might as well just become a fan-boy.
 

Mr Mellish

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This is how they are getting their shit together...

It does seem like they're getting their shit together but I'm not sure a chip shooter is the best indicator. Was there any indication that the PCB's were a reliability issue (I can't remember). I thought this was more to deal with potential supply issues. To me, this is a bit of a red herring, since it doesn't show how they're addressing known issues.
 
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hi_there

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My personal guesstimation is that they ran into early reliability issues with some part of their design and they burned a lot of money and time trying to straighten that out. They did not want to invest the money in any big runs of parts until they could figure out the reliability issues. Then they had to keep pre-orders coming in to fund the project. But now they are close to a release model but we still hear about a lot of returns (many multiple), that must also burn a ton of cash. I just hope this newest run of units is good quality.
 

vapviking

Old & In the Way
It does seem like they're getting their shit together but I'm not sure a chip shooter is the best indicator. Was there any indication that the PCB's were a reliability issue (I can't remember). I thought this was more to deal with potential supply issues. To me, this is a bit of a red herring, since it doesn't show how they're addressing known issues.
I was only thinking it's an impressive step toward addressing the supply issue. I believe it shows a higher degree of confidence in overall design as well, that they're willing to ramp up the assembly speed. Or are they just putting boxes full of PCB's on the shelf?

@hi_there I don't believe money has been much of an issue to date, since the ball got seriously rolling. Beyond Indiegogo and preorders we have absolutely no idea what financiers are either at the ready or already invested in this company. Just sayin'. There's a lot of $ hovering around CO and this whole industry. My opinion is that the startup $ and pre-orders have been enough to sustain the growth and that they have not needed to go to the well yet.
 

Delta3DStudios

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Was there any indication that the PCB's were a reliability issue (I can't remember). I thought this was more to deal with potential supply issues.

This pick-n-place may not seem like a big deal to you, but it's important to remember these robots are not only working faster, they're working under tighter tollerances than a human is capable of. Each chip is perfectly installed on the board, in the correct position every time.

A human is much more prone to faults when performing this sort of manual labor with a miniature chip like the one in the hopper (remember each round chip is around 12mm in diameter).

Clearly this part of the build was extremely time consuming. Hence the investment in the machinery necessary to decrease production times and increase quality.

What I find interesting is that Hopper Labs has chosen to assemble these chips in-house. I'm sure these could have been mass produced in china at a lower per-unit cost. There must be some reason why they're doing it themselves - I'm guessing it's either for quality control reasons, or because that's a critical component of their device and they're protecting their intellectual property.
 

Mr Mellish

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This pick-n-place may not seem like a big deal to you, but it's important to remember these robots are not only working faster, they're working under tighter tollerances than a human is capable of. Each chip is perfectly installed on the board, in the correct position every time.

A human is much more prone to faults when performing this sort of manual labor with a miniature chip like the one in the hopper (remember each round chip is around 12mm in diameter).

Clearly this part of the build was extremely time consuming. Hence the investment in the machinery necessary to decrease production times and increase quality.

What I find interesting is that Hopper Labs has chosen to assemble these chips in-house. I'm sure these could have been mass produced in china at a lower per-unit cost. There must be some reason why they're doing it themselves - I'm guessing it's either for quality control reasons, or because that's a critical component of their device and they're protecting their intellectual property.

There is no way they were building those boards manually. My point is that they were paying someone else to stuff the boards before and whoever that was, was also using a pick n place. To me that means little if any improvement in board reliability, unless that supplier was just shit.
 
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studmuffin

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Hello, all those in pre-order purgatory,

I have followed the evolution of Hopper Labs for quite awhile, and in my opinion the trajectory of their company is just right. Remember this: GHL is making a state-of-the-art highly sophisticated machine, which has a LIFETIME WARRANTY. How many products do you own right now, or are even aware of, that have a lifetime warranty ? Huh ?!?! It would be absolute business suicide to cut corners, put out a marginal product as a cave-in to "VAS on fucking steroids", and them be driven into bankruptcy trying to keep up with the incessant merry-go-round of LIFETIME WARRANTY issues repairing/replacing potentially hundreds, if not thousands, of faulty Grasshoppers. Get a friggin' fuckin' grip on yer fucking VAS, fer crissakes ! ! !

W O R D.
 
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