JiggyJack
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Everybody should enter and upvote VaporizerWizard's give-away on r/vaporents. If the thread gets the most upvotes he will give a way both a Pax 2 and an Arizer Air.
The Arizer Air
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SquirrelMaster
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Just a heads up there are a few 420 sales happening around the net. I picked up my Air from TorontoVaporizer and it worked out it to $184 CDN ($150 USD) . Free shipping and free grinder.
I'm paranoid about buying some stuff off of eBay which is why I went the route I did.
Jeppy
Pure Vaporist
Myrubberneck. They have an online store as well. Mf warranty. I've done allot of business with them. Never a problem.
solodolo420
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I second this, bought 2 solos and my air from him! Never a problem! You can always check the sellers rating if you are unsure if he is good.
GetLeft
Well-Known Member
Township meeting in a little while in this middle of nowhere (almost) neck of the woods I live in.
Some folks are wanting to change the status of the township. Gas pipeline stuff (one seems to be coming right through our neck of the woods). I'm not a get-involved kind of person. Skin's not thick enough. But I'll go to see what's happening. Making up my mind now if I should breath in a little fresh Air before I head up there.
Some folks are wanting to change the status of the township. Gas pipeline stuff (one seems to be coming right through our neck of the woods). I'm not a get-involved kind of person. Skin's not thick enough. But I'll go to see what's happening. Making up my mind now if I should breath in a little fresh Air before I head up there.
GetLeft
Well-Known Member
Ok so I'll do my 24 hr. report then I'll get out of the way.
(Held off on loading fresh Air before that meeting. Probably a good move. BTW Life is a strange thing. People against the pipeline people for the pipeline people who don't show their hand either way lawyer talk about how to fight the pipeline all under this the knowledge that some folks there are counting on the payoff the pipeline is promising and that those folks are a small percentage of the number of people that will be effected by the pipeline for better or worse and all the people who don't care enough to go to the meeting or even don't know a thing about the pipeline. Then this is just tow hours of their day. Each leaves the meeting and goes off on some path that takes them completely away from any thought of the pipeline… Did the meeting even exist?)
Any way you can tell I'm quite right. Thanks to my new best friend, Air.
So here's how I've used it so far. This is probably exactly the way I would have used it had I never read a word about how to use it. Which means in my case, this vape is 100% intuitive. Maybe not 100% smart, but it thinks pretty much the way I do, which helps.
I've done four loads (3 yesterday and 1 today), each small portions (no more than half a bowl on the longer stem). I've started at low heat (whatever the first two colors are) and done a few draws until I thought I that it should have been enough get me to perceive a difference. I had never vaped so I'm learning from nothing.
Didn't get overpowered (I'll eleboarte below).
Then I'd go back a while later, start heating from the next setting up and by the time I thought I had expended the material, reached level 4 of 5.
That did the trick. I woke up on the couch last night quite contented at 2:30 am. No idea when I had dozed off.
The vapor I produced was light. But I wasn't looking for heavy vapor (or haven't been up to this point). Also I held my breath a bit (which I would never do combusting) knowing that that would improve absorption.
My buzzes have been very very clean. Possibly because I'm vaping low temp and not cooking all the goodies out of the potion that I might at the higher temps. But this is an option that I don't have with the combustion. With that you get everything in there whether you want it or not. It looks like I'll have a little more say over what I want and when I want it with the Air. And a clean light buzz is ideal with me. If I want to refurbish it or raise it up a notch, I can.
And stealth? Are you kdding me? Already my stress level has been decreased 95%. That's because the chance of getting caught with this thing is maybe 5%. Wait, that's not fair. 0.05%. So I guess my stress level has actually decreased 95.95%. (Watch me get busted tonight.)
So the downside to all this, and I'm going to actually consider it an upside, is that I won't be using less bud. I can see this being something I want a whole lot more than that bull dozed feeling I could get if I wasn't careful (and sometimes even when I was) with my combustion. I'd never hold a hit, or take too big a hit. Because that would raze me. So my consumption will increase. Which has nothing to do with the efficiency of the Air.
Anyway I don't even know if I can write posts this long. But I gotta go anyway.
Staying right
(Held off on loading fresh Air before that meeting. Probably a good move. BTW Life is a strange thing. People against the pipeline people for the pipeline people who don't show their hand either way lawyer talk about how to fight the pipeline all under this the knowledge that some folks there are counting on the payoff the pipeline is promising and that those folks are a small percentage of the number of people that will be effected by the pipeline for better or worse and all the people who don't care enough to go to the meeting or even don't know a thing about the pipeline. Then this is just tow hours of their day. Each leaves the meeting and goes off on some path that takes them completely away from any thought of the pipeline… Did the meeting even exist?)
Any way you can tell I'm quite right. Thanks to my new best friend, Air.
So here's how I've used it so far. This is probably exactly the way I would have used it had I never read a word about how to use it. Which means in my case, this vape is 100% intuitive. Maybe not 100% smart, but it thinks pretty much the way I do, which helps.
I've done four loads (3 yesterday and 1 today), each small portions (no more than half a bowl on the longer stem). I've started at low heat (whatever the first two colors are) and done a few draws until I thought I that it should have been enough get me to perceive a difference. I had never vaped so I'm learning from nothing.
Didn't get overpowered (I'll eleboarte below).
Then I'd go back a while later, start heating from the next setting up and by the time I thought I had expended the material, reached level 4 of 5.
That did the trick. I woke up on the couch last night quite contented at 2:30 am. No idea when I had dozed off.
The vapor I produced was light. But I wasn't looking for heavy vapor (or haven't been up to this point). Also I held my breath a bit (which I would never do combusting) knowing that that would improve absorption.
My buzzes have been very very clean. Possibly because I'm vaping low temp and not cooking all the goodies out of the potion that I might at the higher temps. But this is an option that I don't have with the combustion. With that you get everything in there whether you want it or not. It looks like I'll have a little more say over what I want and when I want it with the Air. And a clean light buzz is ideal with me. If I want to refurbish it or raise it up a notch, I can.
And stealth? Are you kdding me? Already my stress level has been decreased 95%. That's because the chance of getting caught with this thing is maybe 5%. Wait, that's not fair. 0.05%. So I guess my stress level has actually decreased 95.95%. (Watch me get busted tonight.)
So the downside to all this, and I'm going to actually consider it an upside, is that I won't be using less bud. I can see this being something I want a whole lot more than that bull dozed feeling I could get if I wasn't careful (and sometimes even when I was) with my combustion. I'd never hold a hit, or take too big a hit. Because that would raze me. So my consumption will increase. Which has nothing to do with the efficiency of the Air.
Anyway I don't even know if I can write posts this long. But I gotta go anyway.
Staying right
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
@GetLeft you don't need to hold your draw in for a long time 3 or 4 seconds is sufficient. Holding your breath for a long time is a fairy tale, don't believe it. The Arizer Air is a very nice stealth vaporizer that puts out some good flavor for sure. Not all those small portable do that. Some have some pretty awful vapor taste after the first few minutes.
Eventually you may want to get a water tool so you may need to buy a GonG. They sell them through Planetvape and Puffitup is selling a GonG now that would work well as a mouthpiece. The accessories are a great addition to your vaporizing equipment.
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By the way welcome to fun
Eventually you may want to get a water tool so you may need to buy a GonG. They sell them through Planetvape and Puffitup is selling a GonG now that would work well as a mouthpiece. The accessories are a great addition to your vaporizing equipment.
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By the way welcome to fun
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OF
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Excellent post, I think you've captured the self absorbed nature of local (and I guess all?) politics. Thanks.
While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I would not count on not having your weed bill drop. If you're not destroying THC in some ill conceived fire (blazing) it's available to you now. Combustion destroys more than it delivers, you reap that benefit straight out. Most of us end up using more hours in a week, move up to the top shelf bud and still use much less per week. Sorry, you'll have to accept those savings too, they come with the package.
OF
WoodVillain
Backwoods Rated
I haven't saved on herb since starting to vape just over a year ago....Wish i could say i did but honestly i use around the same amount. But i do get to partake more often, feel better more often, and still combust as well.
Good trade off as far as im concerned!!
Good trade off as far as im concerned!!
solodolo420
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You may use just as much, but that just means you get a bunch of AVB!
Some days I will use a lot of material even after im medicated because vaping is still fun in its own right! So, ill switch to another vape (alot of Solo to Air switching)or change material and keep on vaping!
Really, is this the latest thinking? Seems I've read so much stuff on FC about holding it in for like 20 seconds, and the whole re-breathing technique thing. I know that is true for combusting, but I thought vapor took a longer time to get absorbed...? Have I missed some discussions about this?
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
With the Air as well as the Solo a slow and steady draw usually works best. Some have a 20 second draw, I think mine is more like 15 seconds, I don't usually time myself. After that I don't know if I personally could hold my draw in for 20 seconds. I hold mine for about 3 to 4 seconds and I get plenty medicated. Most vapes I have require a slow draw.
Maybe part of the euphoric feeling is lack of oxygen? All this is for another thread. Do what works best for you. No offense meant
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They've discussed draw technique in the vaporization discussion section. It's pretty far down though. I'm aware of the rebreathing thing.
Maybe part of the euphoric feeling is lack of oxygen? All this is for another thread. Do what works best for you. No offense meant
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They've discussed draw technique in the vaporization discussion section. It's pretty far down though. I'm aware of the rebreathing thing.
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Myself personally I can't use the higher temps with the Air unless I use the Vortex stem. I use the lower temps when using the shorter stem. With the Solo I can use level 4 and then I bump up to 5 and that is 391 degrees.
For me I think it's the extended airflow. You really can't measure one vapes temp with another. I don't think the Air has better flavor than the Solo. If you are looking for stealth the Air has it over the Solo. The Air has good flavor but IMO not better than the Solo.
Other folks may have a different opinion.
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@OF what I was getting at for me the extended airflow makes the difference using a longer stem vs the shorter one. I don't think I explained it right. The green temp in the air is harsh for me with the short stem but with a longer stem I can handle with no problem.
I also probably misspoke about measuring a vape with another, temp wise. I think I heard someone else mention that and probably shouldn't have repeated without proof. early on I was mentioning the Air felt hotter to me at the same temp. It was probably because of shorter stem.
@OF you always explain things so well.
For me I think it's the extended airflow. You really can't measure one vapes temp with another. I don't think the Air has better flavor than the Solo. If you are looking for stealth the Air has it over the Solo. The Air has good flavor but IMO not better than the Solo.
Other folks may have a different opinion.
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@OF what I was getting at for me the extended airflow makes the difference using a longer stem vs the shorter one. I don't think I explained it right. The green temp in the air is harsh for me with the short stem but with a longer stem I can handle with no problem.
I also probably misspoke about measuring a vape with another, temp wise. I think I heard someone else mention that and probably shouldn't have repeated without proof. early on I was mentioning the Air felt hotter to me at the same temp. It was probably because of shorter stem.
@OF you always explain things so well.
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OF
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From that standpoint they're basically identical. I seriously doubt you could tell the difference blindfolded.
If you like Solo, you'll like Air.
Perhaps, but that's not a function of the design or stems, but rather matching the temperatures.
I think, as long as you compare them at the same vaping temperature, you can't tell the difference in where the heat coming from. Draw resistance, temperature stability, materials used, recovery time and so on are a push.
I usually use step 4 on Solo. On Air I think that lands between step 2 and 3 (slightly lower than the published temperature would indicate) but it's all 'within range' and can be compensated for. There is more variation strain to strain or even with grind size sometimes. But when you come down to it, it's the exact same stem (or can be) in a nearly identical oven, temperature regulated in effectively the same way, with the same sort of porting (and therefore draw). Either can be 'tuned' by user technique to mimic the other.
OF
WoodVillain
Backwoods Rated
Definitely.
I dont usually just stop once i get to where i wanna be. I enjoy the process and taste so more often than not i enjoy more than i need to. Now if i quit combusting completely i could see saving a decent amount on herb.
The amount that fits into the flower slide i use most often will fill the vortex up ~3 times. Each load in the vortex gets me 2 sessions. This equals out to an hour of vaping. When combusting this same amount last me like 60 seconds from first lit to finishing the bowl... By the end of the first vape session, most the time, i can already feel the same effects from combusting an entire bowl. And i never just smoke 1 bowl...
It adds up, quickly, when not combusting as well.
I have yet to find a use of AVB that i care for. I dont care for edibles. Havent had much luck with iso washing AVB either....
So now i try and extract every bit i can from it while vaping. I always go to the red setting.
I got around 40 grams of AVB sitting here now, about 100 grams fits in the jar i use. Once i fill it i normally just toss it in the trash. But i have tried multiple times finding a use for it...
Once I threw about 50 grams in the BBQ grill (on top of charcoal) and seen how it would flavor a piece of chicken... Not so great HAHAHA... But i admit i was pretty toasty that day
Hey, does anyone know if the batteries that come with flashvape (standard or S2) would be compatible with the air? I'm pretty sure that they are 18650's
Thanks guys!
Here's a link to the batteries if you're not familiar: http://store.flashvape.com/fv-accessories/2-pack-original-3-2v-li-ion-batteries-for-flashvape/
Thanks guys!
Here's a link to the batteries if you're not familiar: http://store.flashvape.com/fv-accessories/2-pack-original-3-2v-li-ion-batteries-for-flashvape/
LongIslandmom
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I like this water tool. Who does it?Nice case. I agree, emptying the tube after each use to store (and refilling again before you can use it) is a hassle. I think you should consider switching to one like this:
Not only is it smaller (and cheaper should it have an accident) but it's lighter and doesn't spill. No need to empty it at all.
OF
I also like that little case
Haven't been around for a while do love my AA!!
UnshavenFish
Well-Known Member
Please don't use these batteries!
Yes they are 18650 but thats just the size, everything else is different and not just a little, they are
LiFePo4 (a lot more risky than IMR) and 3.2v so charging with Air or 'normal' charger runs the risk of these going boom. Remember the air charges to 4.2v (full)
Now the S2 is more like the OEM air battery although i cant see enough info on that site to say how much like them they are, i would always advise OEM batteries for the air, others will work but you will never gain anything other than a cheaper price with them, performance will be the same or worse, there might be some that do give more but it will be such a small difference you would probably never notice unless timing down to the second and even then there are other things (like heat up time) that can/will be affected.
The choice you have to make is either pay a little more for OEM's and know 100% your warranty is ok, or save a little money and always be wondering can arizer tell if I've used other batteries? (Now they probably cant but are you sure?)
Remember these batteries will last a good while so over the life the cost is nothing really IMO, and like others here i see it as I've paid all this money for my air and why cheap out on the most unstable part, maybe unstable is the wrong word but the battery is the only thing that could cause harm if used incorrectly or if bad quality.
I also want to point out I'm not saying all other batteries out there are dangerous or low quality, i have and use many others in other things, but users should get a minimal understanding of any risks from using these kind of batteries (what can go wrong and why/how it can)
Years ago when i first used 18650's in torches i bought cheap torches from china and went with the cheapest batteries i could get, now i consider myself lucky that nothing went wrong knowing what i do now.
I have bought, used and tested a whole load of 18650's 18350's 14500's 26650's and have found that the cheaper the battery the more chance its not what it claims to be.
Always stay away from batteries with fire in the name (this should ring warning bells anyways come on
fire + battery = no good)
I have tested some claiming to be protected but they have no PCB, some that claim 5000mAh that meter out at under 1000mAh and thats just the basics not even getting into C rating or chemistry.
In summary whatever batteries you get make sure you get them from somewhere you trust and treat them with respect.
Just my
GetLeft
Well-Known Member
Yes, this is what I'm finding; that the draw itself takes a good long time so I'm doing plenty of holding in just by just getting a full breath of vapor.
Then I find myself exhaling.
And then inhaling again.
Then exhaling …
: )
These don't look quite like the two bats that came with my Air. And of course in the instructions they urge that only Air bats be used with the Air.
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UnshavenFish
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I don't have a mighty but do have the crafty and an air (amongst others), performance is a hard thing to pin down as both have areas of performance where they are best.
Vapour quality is something that is thrown around a lot and most people will say the crafty wins hands down but for me its not that simple, yes the crafty can deliver more vapour in a shorter time (more like a desktop) due to less draw resistance and a really good heater (i can only drop the temp by around 5°C when drawing really hard) but because of this battery life is compromised by a lot compared to the air, and taste yes the crafty tastes great but you can get the same even better with the right stem for your air depending on your preference.
Now effect, yes the crafty can get you where you want to be quicker (this is where the crafty shines for me) but it uses a larger bowl than the air, really you can/will get to the same place in the end, the crafty is the direct route and the air takes the scenic route but the destination is the same.
If you have the money get both, if your choosing just one think about how your planning on using it...
For heavy use the air might fit better as you can carry extra batteries and swap them out when needed so no waiting for charging if you have enough to keep you going, with the air you should get on average 4-6 bowls per full charge/battery, whereas the crafty its more like 3-4 bowls and then you have to wait 2 hours for a full charge.
There is a power bank for the crafty but even then its not true pass through, so there is still the waiting compared to the unscrew and put a fresh one in like with the air.
They are both great in their own ways
IMO the crafty is more like a bong (the way i hit it) and the air like a J (something to take a bit more time with and easier to pass around) Overall i would rate them very similar, both have down sides its just a case of finding the one thats fits your aspect of performance best.
I'm sure whichever way you go you will be happy
