Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

[mitchgo61]

This is the feeling I always had when using a session vape that utilizes at least some conduction. No matter the strain or temp. I felt stupid stoned and sleepy.

The MFLB of course uses conduction, but instant off and on seems to make a difference. Or so I would think.

Interesting. I was thinking it's sheer amount of product consumed that's the culprit. Given that the MFLB can be tricky to coax vapor from, at times, I too find I get a more clear-headed thing from it than, say, a desktop vape that pumps out buckets of vapor.

In other words, I was thinking it was a dosage issue rather than conduction vs convection. But I've never used a Crafty as you've probably guessed, so I have no real clue. I do agree trying lower temps, and backing off on the dosage amount would help the "clear vs. wasted high" thingy.

 

[Vapoz]

The Crafty isn't superior to all others except in your own opinion. For example you quoted Vapoz, who found the MFLB superior in delivering the desired effect.

So? During the day i like the clear headed high and in the evening i use the Crafty. From the Crafty i can get almost the same feeling like you get from combusting. I'm only using sativa's to vape, gonna try some 90/100% indica tonight.

This is the feeling I always had when using a session vape that utilizes at least some conduction. No matter the strain or temp. I felt stupid stoned and sleepy.

The MFLB of course uses conduction, but instant off and on seems to make a difference. Or so I would think.

I need those elb caps to get more convection going

 

[EveryDayAmnesiac]

Interesting. I was thinking it's sheer amount of product consumed that's the culprit. Given that the MFLB can be tricky to coax vapor from, at times, I too find I get a more clear-headed thing from it than, say, a desktop vape that pumps out buckets of vapor.

In other words, I was thinking it was a dosage issue rather than conduction vs convection. But I've never used a Crafty as you've probably guessed, so I have no real clue. I do agree trying lower temps, and backing off on the dosage amount would help the "clear vs. wasted high" thingy.

I may just be an odd example, but this happened to me even with micro loads in the Solo and Ascent and OG DV at low temps.

Meanwhile, I can take rip after rip from my FF or HI at lower temps and still be clearheaded, while also being really, really high - but not the stupid stoned feeling I mentioned before. FWIW.

 

[Vapoz]

I may just be an odd example, but this happened to me even with micro loads in the Solo and Ascent at low temps.

Meanwhile, I can take rip after rip from my FF or HI and still be clearheaded, while also being really, really high - but not the stupid stoned feeling I mentioned before. FWIW.

I was thinking about getting the FF but i went with the Crafty because of the good name S&B has. Also i tought the FF was a upgrade to my MFLB and i was looking for a session vape. If i get a tiny amount of herbs i get also get very high but the high doesn't last long. I'm only using my Crafty for 2 weeks so i need to experiment some more.

 

[lwien]

I may just be an odd example, but this happened to me even with micro loads in the Solo and Ascent at low temps.

Meanwhile, I can take rip after rip from my FF or HI and still be clearheaded, while also being really, really high - but not the stupid stoned feeling I mentioned before. FWIW.

I think it was StickStones (not sure) who coined the term "vape signature", but I totally agree that they all have their unique sig..............or so it seems to me anyway.

 

[psychonaut]

In the crafty I find the strain and amount of material used is more important to the clear headed effect vs the stoned effect. I use after work through the evening 2 bowls of .10 gram of sativa per session, then a heavy indica for last session. Energy when I want it and sleepy feeling when I want it.

I experiment some with temps, but even sativa start to finish on max temps just reduces my draws, the effect seems to be very similar to stock temp to start then boost at max temps to finish it off.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Well on positive note, my last exchange did go smoothly and got to keep grinder filling tool etc. Guess just nice to be able to talk with a live person if there's a issue. Someone asked earlier about contacting them.

They do give complete info, via a automatic voice system on how to return unit. I followed there instructions on first return and got replacement within 10 days. That included time lost due to Thanksgiving. This return having been so soon after last, left me wanting to ask them a question on shipping before returning 2nd unit. Gave up and just mailed second return unit today. I figure should be back in a week.

 

[sweettooth]

Iv used 41 hours on my crafty and so far no problems with anything. I no longer use my LSV or other vapes as i feel the crafty gives me a better extraction and a more complete high. Iv noticed that trying to put the cooling unit on right after iv used the unit and emptied the bowl can get a bit tight. I was wondering if thats why some people are cracking their units ?. I also like to vape at maximum temp getting everything in 2 to 3 hits, this is hard on the battery which is why I now want the mighty. The service from Storz and Bickel sounds a bit cold though if you know what i mean ? they need to get on top of that.

 

[t-dub]

S&B's service, for me, has been great. Honestly, I have seen some of the questions asked here and I would have ignored them also. They have explicit instructions on their website for sending in a product with a problem. Once they received my Crafty in the mail, with my nice letter, they sent me a new one the next day. It says right on the site "all sales final" That means there is no returns department . . .

 

[elmomuzz]

I can honestly only imagine some of the questions they are getting. I bet some are quite humorous.

 

[El Barto]

The problem, IMHO, is more about managing expectations than their actual customer service which I agree, is very good. However, many customers expect responses to their inquiries, whether S&B or others think those inquiries are legitimate or not. Most every inquiry feels legitimate to the person inquiring. It's like the old adage: "the customer is always right." Maybe this could be solved with an email auto-response informing inquiring customers that S&B can't reply to every inquiry and how the repair process works. It would help to set expectations for customers in the same way the voicemail recording does when you call.

 

[Mike M]

The problem, IMHO, is more about managing expectations than their actual customer service which I agree, is very good. However, many customers expect responses to their inquiries, whether S&B or others think those inquiries are legitimate or not. Most every inquiry feels legitimate to the person inquiring. It's like the old adage: "the customer is always right." Maybe this could be solved with an email auto-response informing inquiring customers that S&B can't reply to every inquiry and how the repair process works. It would help to set expectations for customers in the same way the voicemail recording does when you call.

I want to add that I had great service from them. I thought there might be a problem with my Mighty, called them (yes they were hard to get a hold off), but when I did they spent much time with me helping me out. Just wanted to say

 

[Vambo1980]

These men recieve your hard earnt cash. Look like 70's pornstar's.

It does say on the website just send it in for repair/warranty. So thats what ill do. Do i send the mouth peice in too you think?

 

[t-dub]

Do i send the mouth peice in too you think?

No just send in the heater base in the original box. You keep all the accessories.

 

[adam_baumm]

I just had a great cs experience with s&b , just follow their website for any problems and it looms like they will work it out.

Keep this thread posted with updates so we can all see how their CS is.

 

[t-dub]

These men recieve your hard earnt cash. Look like 70's pornstar's.

This is S&B before you call their service line . . .

And after 3 minutes of speaking with you . . .

 

[adam_baumm]

Funny, but let's try and not make fun of people for their look or ethnicity.

 

[t-dub]

Funny, but let's try and not make fun of people for their look or ethnicity.

In case you don't remember, that was a comedy bit from SNL called "Sprockets". If you have a complaint about my posting style hit the report button . . .

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

I see both side's on Customer service. But look at other vaporizer in the price range and sadly felt it lacking. Ascent has a live webchat. Elevape smart vaporizer bends over backwards to please customers. Still haven't received a follow up email or call back from S&B.

Guess some people just view things different. So far they haven't been the greatest customer service in my eye's, other may view it differently.

 

[adam_baumm]

I know, like I said its funny. And my comment although a bit strong , was laced with brotherly love and truthfull intentions to help and not hurt. Peace back at you bros.

 

[herbivore21]

Just thought I'd chime back in to say I have found that you don't need to jack the temp right up to whitewall your piece. I am whitewalling my Luke Wilson 15 arm tree bubbler (huge can!) at 193c reliably. I also find this much smoother than my previous 200-210 settings for water paths. The buds will end up looking just as spent if you keep hitting at this temp til no more vapor comes - you just miss out on the super harsh nasty dry hot throat feeling you start to get toward the end of the bowl at higher temps

Also, I have found that 170c is perfect for my low temp preset. This will produce decent visible clouds whilst keeping perfect taste - and believe it or not, can almost completely spend a bowl if you keep hitting til no more visible vapor at this temp!

I do not have a compatible device of any kind to access the app on my crafty, so I just change the settings from time to time with friend's phones. Super stoked to have found that cooler temps will give you just as thorough extraction and great clouds without the nasty throat effects I was getting from sucking on a blow dryer.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

Crafty porn yo!

 

[lwien]

Crafty porn yo!

You just gave me a kink in my neck.

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

Sorry Iwien I have no idea how to fix it

 

[Stu]

Sorry Iwien I have no idea how to fix it

Fixed.