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Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by SameOldTim, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. PB88123

    PB88123 Vaporist

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  2. pakalolo

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    That's enough about the state of the thread. We know it's a mess, that's why it will be closed and restarted when the Cera ships. Talking about how much off-topic crap there is simply adding to the off-topic crap.

    If this thread continues to wander onto topics like how crappy the thread is or whether TET should send everyone status updates, it will be closed and you'll just have to suffer until the Cera ships.
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  3. fake name

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    Question for OF or TET:

    Is it ok to run the ll with just ice water hash or is it best to sandwich it between some herb? (I've been falling in love with the bubble.)

    Any replies will be much appreciated, thanks!
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    Yes, it works very well, IMO. I've done it a far bit with several different strains. I'm fond of bubble, too. I find it's generally two different types WRT Cera. Some of it comes out as a mass and kind of soft and gummy (but not very sticky) when warm, the other seems to remain grains and flow fairly freely. My guess it is has to do with both the strain and processing?

    But so far they've all worked fine.

    OF
  5. fake name

    fake name Well-Known Member

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    Thanks OF!
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  6. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome. I'm sure you'll like it in that role.

    I'm just afraid the word will get around and the price of bubble will go up.........

    OF
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  7. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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    I just want to thank OF to be very present and to keep us abreast of the news...... luckily he is here to tell us :clap::tup:
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  8. OF

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    You're very welcome. Collectively as well. Clever of them to open shop 20 miles away and be so open about their business and business model, doncha think?

    And now back to the wait..... FWIW, I'm thinking of 'dropping by' at the end of the week if they don't call me in before then.

    OF
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    Would love to hear an update, what I think most people want to know about is the safety lock. I'm also curious about the illuminated click switch. From what you've told us we may be getting a momentary switch, if this is the case, I'm assuming that the illuminated switches will ship out when the on/off ones do. Thank you for the info you're passing along OF! Try and get them to give a bit of an official word though. :brow:

    EDIT: P.S. I think it was skipped over when I've mentioned it but the Twitter link on their website goes to www.twitter/ThermoVape so it might need a few letters added. Pass it along? :lol:
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  10. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    I'm new to FC, although I've been browsing the Cera Thread for a while. the Cera sounds like it will be an awesome vape. However, I do have a couple of questions as to the general operation of Cera. As far as my medicating needs, I'm looking to load about .15 grams in the LL cart and get around 6 to 7 good hits in about an 8 minute session. that said, what would be the best way to achieve that with Cera? From reading some of the posts, it seems that the unit would get overly hot to the touch if it was left on for 8 to 10 minutes. So I'm thinking to alleviate over heating the unit and to save battery life you would operate it by switching it off after every hit. For example:

    Turn Cera on
    Wait 10 to 20 seconds
    Do 2 or 3 short inhales to allow the herb to heat
    Take my typical 8 to 10 second inhale
    Turn unit off for about 45 seconds
    Repeat process

    Does that sound like a good approach? Also after you turn the unit off for about 45 seconds then turned it back on would you again have to wait 10 to 20 seconds and to the short primer hits to generate heat again? ( that seems like a lot of work). I guess I'm just confused as to how a convection vaporizer works as I've only used a Solo and a Vapir No2. Any feedback would be much appreciated...... This FC site is great! A lot of knowledgeable people on the forum. Thanks.....
  11. PB88123

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    An option if you want to keep the device on would be getting a thermal sleeve in black or clear (they're coming) to help keep the heat away from your hand while on.

    Assuming it takes 20-30 seconds for the device to warm up the first time then another couple seconds of inhaling to get vapor, by 40 seconds you should be able to take your first typical hit. So by 60 seconds you have 1 hit done and going for another. Lets say you get another 2-3 hits over the next 60 seconds. You are half way done with your session in 2 minutes. One can always take it slower and take 1-2 hits a minute though and still keep the device on.

    By then you can see if the warmth of the Cera is bothering you enough to turn it off (by 2-3 minutes of being on it should still be OK from what I've read but all hands are different). The longer you keep it off the longer the warm up time the second go around. OF would have to let us know how long it would take for it to warm up the 2nd time but it should be shorter than a cold / first time start. The good thing is you can turn it on and don't have to worry about your bowl being cooked. One would have to take the cover off and look at it empty to count how long it takes for the device to warm back up the 2nd time.

    I would just go with a thermal sleeve and leave it on for the up to 8 minute session unless the heat bothers the person.
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  12. Dreamerr

    Dreamerr Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀

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    Welcome to the forum Chill Dude. I would love to know the answer to that as well. You explained exactly what I would want to do.
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    Thanks PB, Leaving Cera on with a thermal sleeve (if needed) sounds like the easiest and most practical approach. As you said, I could probably finish a bowl in the five minute range. Also, if i wanted to have a longer session I could simply turn Cera off at the halfway point and finish the bowl later. I see now that it wouldn't make much sense to turn the unit off after every hit.. Thanks for clarifying that..........
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  14. OF

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    I'm sure Cera will support that. I think folks are getting excited about overheating it. I've intentionally tried to do exactly that and the best I could do was make it uncomfortable to hold high up. Not as hot as Omicron carts get running, for instance. You just naturally move your grip down. In 6 or 8 minutes I doubt it'd bother most people. And if so, as Jam says, the skins or similar cover should do you just fine.

    The 'shutdown and reheat' trials I did didn't seem to be all that time saving to me. The core cools some (probably the first 300 degrees or so) fairly quickly, this is the 'wait until it comes up to full brightness' part, you loose that in a few seconds off it seems. Easy enough to get back, but I question the idea especially for new users. You should be getting five or so of those 8 minute sessions, you've plenty of 'power to burn' getting to know the machine?

    I'm about to volunteer to write some basic instructions for the Cera (loading, use, cleaning, that kind of stuff), I think I'll propose two different techniques the first being 'load it, turn it on and start toking' the second being based on the familiar 3 steps. My thinking is Cera is so tolerant in operation (at least LL) that a new user can start out in 'no brainer' mode and sort out useful technique 'on the fly'. They can experiment with power cycling and so on as their experience grows. This should make the 'learning curve' more of time line?

    Anyway, welcome to the fun, it sounds like Cera will do you just fine.

    OF
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  15. VapeStL

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    Forgive my ignorance, but is the herb not actually vaped until you inhale? Can we turn Cera on & just leave it on during a session? (LL cartridge only).
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    Nothing ignorant about it. Good question. The answer is yes, within reason. This is a key feature in this type of vape. The only penalty for (again reasonable) pauses in toking and leaving the power on is a (IMO fairly modest) impact on self heating and battery life. I think for most new users this will be far outweighed by 'turn it on, hit it until you're done, turn it off' kind of starting point.

    Time will tell.

    OF
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  17. PB88123

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    Self heating meaning the device will become warmer to the touch the longer you leave it on.

    Having never used one I would say If I were to turn it off inbetween hits I would give it a 10-15 second warm up and then take puffs (quick inhale, exhale) till I see vapor and then start my inhale.

    Yes, leave it on during a session if you want. The herb is not actually vaped until you inhale.
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  18. VapeStL

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    Thank you both! Sure seems like Cera will provide a very different experience.
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  19. OF

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    Yup, that's what I meant. Heat from the core will spread up and down over time.

    I think your suggestion will be close enough for jazz. I think this product will be a departure for those of us used to narrow operating windows in technique. I intentionally used it like I didn't know the first thing about vapes and it gave useful vapor with little trouble. I think it'll be hard for folks to not get some good results to build on. If you 'follow your successes' you'll do fine.

    You're welcome. I think 'a very different experience' about sums it up. Even those with lots of vape experience will find some things to make them sit up and take notice I think.

    OF
  20. Chill Dude

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    Thanks OF for your detailed response. For a newbie to convection vaporization such as myself, i agree that leaving Cera on is the ticket. As long as the unit doesn't get to hot and the load doesn't cook between inhales, i'm fine with it. As you said, there is a learning curve before one can master the shutdown and reheat process and timing thereof. Basic instructions is a great idea as some people are new to convection vaporizers. Thanks for what you do OF. ... Can't wait to get my Cera!!
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  21. SpiralVape

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    Any ideas about how the Cera always on would work with e-liquid? It's closer to being like a cigarette, you light it, the cig starts smoking, you inhale and the cig continues to smolder until the next inhale. I don't know of any e-cigs that operate this way. The temperature is much lower for the e-liquid to vaporize than convection and vaporizes faster.
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    Beats me, I've never seen the juice version. I strongly suspect it's more like the oil cart in operation (it's nearly identical in construction), it's definitely not convection. I'd turn it on and hit it when the vapor was thick enough, then shut it down.

    OF
  23. Nucleosynthesis

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    Hey OF - what's the warmup time like for straight (not sanwiched btwn leaf) concentrates in the looseleaf cart? Is the momentary switch preferable, as with the oil cart? Thanks!
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    It's basically the same timing for bubble as bud in the LL cart, although I tend to think a guy is going to take fewer hits with bubble than bud.

    I'm not sure about the switch part, I don't have one to try, they needed to work out the assembly of the tail cap (attaching the spring and so on). I hope to pick one up later this week. I got a chance to play with the switch itself some, it's a pretty soft touch needed button, I'm thinking it's going to work well stood up in the palm of your hand held with finger and thumb pointing toward the mouthpiece (that is with your hand over the end rather than around the body. Be interesting to play with, I suspect a latching switch will be more popular for the job? Could be wrong, the momentary idea is kind of growing on me (assuming it's easy to actuate of course).

    OF
  25. Nucleosynthesis

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    Using the pinkie to depress? Sounds kinda awkward, but hopefully TV will upload a vid to disprove me?
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