wow this thread has turned out to be great! Packed with a ton of info. I currently own the pax, and have owned the mflb in the past, but i don't think i have had enough experimenting with various vaporizers to really put forward my insight, but oh well... At the time i had my launch box, my only other vape was a box vape that combusted somewhat often. I had a pretty low tolerance at the time so i could squeeze in two sessions out of a trench and i thought the hits were pretty good once i got the right technique down with 2700's. Even though the clouds can't really compare to the Pax's, the smallness/ stealthliness kind of makes up for it. THE BATTERIES were what killed me. They are just such a hassle to charge, carry enough for a decent session, worry about which ones are charged, etc. Something came up then i no longer had the mflb So i saved up for a bit then decided to splurge on the new pax by ploom My first impression was, there is so much damn resistance on the draw, and the device is beautiful. Once i started to pack, i mean PACK, the oven down, i started to realize that the small amount of airflow is actually a good thing and i got some ridiculous clouds(even on low). The pax is just so much more convenient with the battery, no 'tapping' and 'shaking' in between each hit, and just in general. The downsides that i have noticed is the price, and you have to clean it a lot. Probably forgetting a few, but i can't think of them at the moment.