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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.

  1. Herbert

    Herbert New Member

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    Thanks for the reply, I tried it drawing as fast as i could. So fast in fact that the herb was swirling around in the bowl, but it still combusted.

    I´m guessing it must be my unit. Has anyone else had this problem?
  2. Lokbok

    Lokbok Active Member

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    Have you tried just holding the battery down a second or 2 less? You shouldn't be drawing really fast. The way I draw is more of a "pulsing" motion. This guy's videos is closest to my method. Also don't forget to keep shaking it up after every draw.

    http://magic-flight.com/videos.php
  3. Herbert

    Herbert New Member

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    I know i shouldn't be drawing really fast, but i have no option really, if i dont it burns even sooner. And it actually burns, well not flames, but it starts smuldering and smoking really bad :o I only hold down the battery for a very short while, maybe 4-5 seconds in total, drawing the entire time.

    My herb is very dry and finely ground up.

    Sorry for possible bad english, not my language.

    Is it still possible that i am doing something wrong, or should i contact mflb?

    Peace
  4. Lokbok

    Lokbok Active Member

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    As another poster mentioned.. you should try contacting MFLB to at least get the ball rolling. At the very least, they might shine a little more light on this.

    Your Box might just be running hot right now, especially with the new batteries as well. Again.. if you could have someone who knows how to use the MFLB or a power adapter, it'd be far easier to figure this out without any video evidence.

    Just to let you know though.. when I had new Glyph batteries.. I probably held it down for about a second.. then started drawing.. then let the battery go maybe 3 to 4 seconds in.. but continue to slowly draw in that pulsing fashion.

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  5. Cool Chicky

    Cool Chicky Wookie

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    Yes, my box needs a thorough cleaning. Thanks!
  6. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Howdy, welcome to the Forum, sorry you're having troubles.

    This happens to new guys. You have other options, I suggest you try them. Stop doing what's not working (change something), if you don't the results aren't likely to change.

    You know vaping works great if you can control the heat properly, right? Therefore, that (heat control) must be the problem. Specifically, you're putting in too much heat......more heat than you can use to make vapor.

    Forget the instructions for a bit, experiment. Sneak up on the temperature. Heat for say 3 seconds (not enough), let it coast as you hit on it (fairly gently, you'll looking or vapor) for a few seconds and give it another 3 or so seconds. Gradually increase the ratio of on to off times to bring the temperature up.

    As the battery discharges, and as it ages, along with the surface of the mesh 'breaking in' this action (rapid heat transfer) will slow some. Soon they will combine so that it'll be harder and harder to combust on purpose, eventually becoming all but impossible.

    For now, stop feeding it too much power, it's making it too hot........

    Stick with it, you'll sort it out.

    Good luck.

    OF
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  7. Lokbok

    Lokbok Active Member

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    One thing I'd like to add for anyone looking to get a VapeCase...

    Personally I think the MFLB one is rather lacking. Not enough slots, etc. Luckily, I previously owned an Arizer Solo. After I sold it, I kept the VapeCase I got it for. I think its much better than the one made for the MFLB. I can fit everything including the charger if I want to (though the charger won't be a perfect fit, the lid still closes all the way with no resistance). Here is my setup:
    [​IMG]

    I'll let the rest of you Google up the MFLB specific one to see how lacking the space is in that one. Also.. don't pay full retail, its overpriced. I think I paid less than $30 for mine. I know you can make one for less, but I'm happy with the compactness and discreetness of this.

    I'm not 100% sure that the MFLB version is the same exact size.. but this is already pretty small so I see no point in going any smaller if you're looking for a good case to transport everything to a friend's house etc that'll lock the scents in - especially since I think both cases are either the same or very similar prices.
  8. twigs

    twigs Pay no mind to those voices in my head

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    Wasn't it "I buried Paul"?
  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    That was one of many rumors, the main one, aside from the cover, was the 'play it backwards' one ("Paul's dead") I think. The quote above was really 'cranberry sauce' (sheet music here.....). Besides, no backwards playing around there, just mumbled lyrics.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead

    I confess, I played it backwards....... Sold a lot of records I bet.

    Fun stuff.

    OF
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  10. Herbert

    Herbert New Member

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    Hi, thanks for trying to help me.

    The problem continues, I have now "wasted" about a gram of good medicine in the mflb. Probably tried it 10-15 times with the same result, combustion. I have how ever noticed that the burning occurs in the same spot in the trench every time, the bottom middle and slightly to off to one side. I am thinking it must heat the screen uneven, is this possible? The herb in contact with the sides or walls of the trench does not burn, only part of the herb in contact with a small area of the "floor".

    I´m pretty sure its not my technique, as i own several other (desktop) vaporizers where draw speed is a factor. Bought the mflb mostly for fun as i already own other portables such as the solo and O phos.

    I just wanted something smaller then the solo for dry herb, so i bought the mflb after hearing and seeing much good. Is uneven heating common with the mflb? Has nobody heard of this before? The problem seems to bee a very small area in the bottom of the trench.

    Thanks
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  11. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    That sounds suspicious. Send an email, they're great people and will help sort you out.
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  12. KidFated.

    KidFated. Good Things Come To Those Who Chill

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    Right on time with that last post QuetZ
  13. Joshh1

    Joshh1 Stickyy icky

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    Been a minute since I stopped in. Got my replacement box in the mail Monday, it's got a black line through the wood on the side. Looks rather cool IMO. It's kind of weird having a choice in which to use. Though I think I'm going to use one for more of a travel vape, and one at home with the PA & water pipe.
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  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You didn't really waste anything. The THC is still there, the taste is a bit off, but you have to combust every bit to destroy it this way. You can vape the good stuff out, or use it to cook with. Hopefully you haven't pitched it?

    While there are intentional concentrations of heat (near the bends) the construction (spot welded wires running with the current path with cross connecting ones to guarantee uniform current) keeps the surface at a very uniform temperature. A true strength of the design.

    I'm pretty sure it is technique. I strongly doubt it's a defective unit. There is much more to technique than draw speed. Don't you moderate the power to your O Phos? The Solo does this for you of course. Again, try slacking off on the power, things will cool off. And the box will 'mellow out' over time as the batteries loose their edge. You might even consider some of the older style LSD batteries we used to use before the 'glyph' ones, they run cooler as well.

    You should also explore grind, curing, shaking and all the other stuff we seem to hold dear. All part of technique, and significant (or we wouldn't care?).

    MFLB is as popular as it is (VERY) for good reason IMO. It's a very solid design, well made and with excellent support. MF earned there place at the big table.....and their loyal following.

    OF
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  15. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    I had the same problem right before I warrantied my last box.

    It is probably a tear in the screen that is hard to see. or possibly a bad screen. If you tear the screen then the heat may "pool" in the box causing overheating. Much like the concept of the Maud Dib. Smaller screen, more heat.

    They replaced mine under warranty and I have not had the problem since.
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  16. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    It was a real ploy... that was designed to help perpetrate a rumor (Paul's Death).
    I played it backwards MANY times, through the 70's
    it was only the 45 that could be played backwards and sound right.
    You had to place needle on record and turn it backwards by hand.
    It said "Paul is dead, Paul is sleeping", after the sounds of an emulated car crash.
    This memory brought to you courtesy of my medication...
    effectively delivered this morning through my Magic Flight launch Box.
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  17. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I never tried the 45! How cool. I remember the whispered secrets, how the record companies didn't want us to know so we'd buy the next record......

    I shoulda known the Sage of the High Desert would have the straight poop!

    Thanks once again.

    OF
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  18. linux3214

    linux3214 Active Member

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    I just received my Orbiter bubbler and parts are quite disappointing. The wooden and metal stand is overall very low quality. The wood part has several dents on the corners; the metal wire is very crooked, elevating the glass and tilting it towards the side - lowing the efficiency of the diffuser stem. Also, the metal wire is held onto the base with a screw that isnt shown on the product photos. I've emailed Magic Flight and hope I will get permission to fix these problems with some elbow grease.

    The glass itself is beautiful with a few scratches on the joints and markings on the perc. I'll rarely look at the very bottom and center top so I'll forget about those marks soon enough.

    Edit: A great thing though is the normal solo stem fits perfectly in the diffuser joint. Being in that position of holding the solo in, it is easy to compensate for the crookedness.
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  19. meek420

    meek420 Well-Known Member

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    I had the same issue with a bent arm, floating glass and an ugly screw.

    I finally straightened my arm with a wrench by bending it at the half way mark -- hobbit at magic flight suggested it is possible to correct on your own.

    I also bent down the end of the metal arm that holds the glass. Now my slider closes and the glass rests nicely in its wood base, and I'm no longer losing valuable vapor chamber space.

    Rumor has it they're doing away with the ugly screw, I've got an email to magic flight asking if this fix can be done at home.

    I think after using it a bit and after correcting the minor annoyances caused by the misshapen metal arm, you'll find it really is worth the investment.
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  20. axakal

    axakal Well-Known Member

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    So, are you and @linux3214 saying, that the orbiter doesn't do justice to magic flight's high standards of craftmanship? It's kind of disappointing to hear it, since i was planing to add this bubbler to my wish list for the not so distant future.
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  21. LazyIdol

    LazyIdol Well-Known Member

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    I cant speak of the quality b/c I dont own one. But a lifetime warranty on a glass piece is kinda worth it on its own in my opinion.
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  22. linux3214

    linux3214 Active Member

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    They have such a great reputation that I'm sure they're just teething problems for a new product. Only the base needs modification and as Lazyidol said, the lifetime warranty on glass I will definitely find useful in the future.

    Meek420, let us know if removing the screw is an option. I already find the Orbiter to be a worthy investment. It's such a handy size that once the glass is stabilized, I'm sure this will be my semi-portable glass and the pride of my humble collection.

    Edit: I cannot wait to try the Grasshopper on this! Just till July :doh:
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  23. meek420

    meek420 Well-Known Member

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    I removed the ugly screw. Removing the screw didn't seem to effect the arms integrity, I pushed pretty hard on it and it didn't budge.

    I'll pick up some wood putty in the future to fill in the less ugly hole that was left behind.

    I would buy this orbiter over and over, unchanged from its current glory.

    Pros: Performance, price, compatability and warranty.

    Neutral: No aphorism or visible etching (though a little bird told me that this is still being decided on) and no wood selection.

    Cons: Metal arm may need to be user adjusted.

    If I had to do it all over I might consider getting the PA before the Orbiter (loving my power adapter) but I feel like you get way more bang for your buck with the Orbiter.

    UPDATE: Butter fingers here accidently dropped the Orbiter from chest height onto hard wood floor. Loud bang. Gasp. It survived! I got lucky. I think it landed on the metal arm because I had to adjust it again and there is not a mark on the glass. Maybe they should offer a base with more crash bars.
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2014
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  24. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    Roll cage on your bubbler? Just roll it in bubble wrap!!
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  25. axakal

    axakal Well-Known Member

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    @meek420 a split second away to claim that glass warranty. :)
    thank you for the pros and cons list. i share your view on the aphorism and no wood choice. i also think, they could offer to choose, how many whips you want to add to the orbirter. some of us here, already have a WPW. i personally see no need for a spare one. since there is no word out, if the orbiter is coming to europe or not, leaving the short wpw out would reduce the price and hence the taxes.
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