The Magic-Flight Box

It is hot air, why do you think it didn't melt until he broke it in pieces?.

Hot air is in the trench based on how convection works. Not just vaporizers, but in general When ever you heat ANYTHING up, you will get some sort of convection of the air.

They might not need to grind, but you would get WAY BETTER results if you do. Air is very light, and goes where there is less restriction, so if you use one big piece of herb or concentrate, it will just go around it. When using a concentrate this effect is even stronger due to being more dense then bud. When you break these things in pieces they hold more heat, as well as have more heat come into contact with them, which is why you saw the results he got.

Actually I think so for the reason I just said. The only part in play makes physical contact.

Thermodynamics tells us there are (only) 3 ways to move heat. Conduction, convection and radiation. They are seldom unique, but almost always one dominates so much we ignore the others.

In the case of MFLB it is a conduction deal. There's just not enough energy there to heat enough air hot enough to get the mass working. Them's the rules.

For convection to work the screen would have to be hotter than the temperature we want to heat the air to ('heat flows from hot to cold') and we know the screen is basically limited (by radiation it turns out) to about 400F.

We can see another excellent example of this with the Flashvape. In conduction form (the original configuration) it's a barn burner, literally courting combustion a second or two away. Conversion to convection (S2 version) requires a huge jump in power to play, even though it was already perhaps the hottest portable in it's class?

MFLB is not convection, in fact air flow really slows it down, not speeds it up as in convection. It's conduction, with different rules.

OF

I disagree completely with this. I've been using an HA for years and it works just as well with whole buds, or even compressed whole buds, as it does with ground herb, ime. The unique flow design allows for maximum penetration, and amazingly even cooking every time. Yes, ground bud gives milkier hits, but that doesn't necessarily mean more potent vapour, just that there's more particulates in the stream, giving more surface area for condensation to occur.

You are going back into the other subject we was discussing in previous posts, which I don't feel like getting into. I'm talking about MELTING concentrate. His pictures are showing you, why are you going into other stuff, IDK.

BTW, your inhale, like I stated previously, changes the outcome of things when dealing with the mflb or any vaporizer. When you inhale at the proper rate, you take away the cool air, allowing NOTHING but hot air to engulf the bowl. This changes the results, and is why so many people get different effects with manual vaporizers, especially the mflb.

Anyway, I'm glad Quetzalcoatl did what I was trying to explain to others in my previous post about breaking up the concentrate for a better effect. In time, I will try to show how inhale effect's everything also. Peace out.

I understand how the HA works. It basically pushes air to go into the bud, by pulsating it, which is why you don't HAVE to grind your bud, but for the quickest effect, with less air diluting your bud, grinding is better. As well as slow long, inhales which is why I don't recommend using the pump if you want a quick extraction of your actives. The pump dilutes with too much air for me.


This is another subject, but basically, when you use whole bud the temperature inside the bowl will not be the temperature you want due to being so dense. Plant fibers absorb the heat. You are right about the milkier hits, but when I refer to better hit's I'm talking about more accurate temperature, giving a more concentrated hit due to less air diluting the vapor. The ground bud will give a faster effect then the dense bowl of bud, whether packed tightly or one whole bud. In other words, you can extract the actives much faster then you would if you use a densely packed bowl. There is more discussion on this in this thread:

Go to Hippie Dickie's post to see what I mean. Also, read all his post in that thread to see how things worked for him
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/does-anybody-track-their-extraction-efficiency.8713/page-2

mod note: Please avoid back-to-back posts, use Edit instead. Two posts merged.

FWIW I haven't found breaking up my concentrate to be necessary at all. One dab on the tray melts fully away in just a few seconds. Think a dab of butter on a hot skillet: you can break it up if you want, but it's gonna be liquid in a few seconds anyway, so why bother?

Of course all concentrates are slightly different so maybe that is what is at play here?

It would have taken longer for it to melt in, as opposed to little crumbs all at the same time.

what if you leave it as one piece and make a worm out of it instead of a ball... that would help give it more of a chance too.. seems easier than breaking down and putting in multiple pieces.. if your hash can handle being rolled w/o crumbling

If the goal is to melt it in (IMO it is....) why not just smash such hash flat into the tray? As long as it's 'clay like' a pancake has better contact than a worm's belly......

Once it's melted, it doesn't matter really.

OF

that's what i like about the box, you can use it in cold enviroments in gloves or use it as a hand warmer. even smoking complex with cold hands

So why is it recommended to fill the trench to the top rather than cooking up smaller loads? I think I would rather load in less for the sake of flavor. The trench seems to last forever when I fill it and I can't get myself to toss it because it will still produce vapor even when its dark brown. A better question is why am I complaining that my trenches last forever?

Battery life isn't an issue at all for me. It isn't so much that it bothers me, I just like the ritual of grinding and loading :~) Thanks for chiming in.

I used to save my abv at that point for edibles, but nowadays more often than not I choke the last couple of hits down and dump it.

Why don't you save it for edibles anymore? Just curious.

First outing w/ the MFLB and it combusted

Filled a small-ish trench and followed the three seconds, then sip tea, sip a bit more, little more, longest yet and then pull battery. I was on the 5-6 hit and at the end when I take the biggest inhale I saw some black 'tar' hit the cover and the trench was in smoke.

Hopefully this didn't do any damage and I'll change my technique up a bit.

It was the best vap I've tried yet.

Wow !It was heating up AS you were pulling ? How long
was that pause before you did your last pull? Yah
the effect is that quick.
Hope the box is OK... it should be.

He explained.....
he has to choke it down.
Perhaps when he "dumps" it.. he feels his other cooking ingredients and time have been wasted.
One can give ABV away to thise that smoke ... some like it. or it can be washed with Iso ot=r blasted with butane to capture the residuals.
some folks don't like "messin' with it"

What do I need to change so it doesn't happen again?

Inhale faster. If you inhale slowly, the screen's temperature gets hotter. If you inhale faster, the screen will cool down. It seems you are not pulling faster to account for the heat rising. Use the heat of the vapor to indicate when to draw faster or slower. The combustion taste will fade away with time. A quick cleaning of the screen with the brush and a drop or two of Isopropyl Alcohol (preferably 91%+) wouldn't hurt either, but don't sit there trying to scrub the taste out, it won't work. You'll find the taste goes away after a few trenches and fades away after a few more. I've completely ruined at least 3 trenches due to blackening the entire load or just straight-up cherrying it. The taste always fades away.

Thanks, appreciate it. I got caught looking at all the vapor in the box instead of inhaling and guess I cooked it

I like Magic Flight Box it's very good and fun

I always thought the more you fill the trench the more effective it is, since more material is in contact with the screen you get more vapor with less effort

If you keep packing much higher past 2/3, and certainly when packing past full, you are mostly just adding more material to where the heat isn't and contributing to gunking along the rails. I also find an over filled trench is harder to shake properly. Too much stuff to move around. Harder to tell when you've shaken it well and therefore harder to cook evenly. I prefer to cook more evenly and pack more often.

I do understand the energy efficiency aspect of packing it up to the rails every time. But, I also think it's important to note that the MFLB really performs no matter how little you give it. Between vaping tiny loads and cooking ABV to coffee colors, the 'box will completely change your habits in times of drought, if you're one who has to deal with such things. I was among the worst back in the day, scraping tarry resin out of Home Depot plumbing bits jammed into a plastic bottle… For a good few years… Thanks once again must go to Magic-Flight. And to everyone involved in this thread and in FC at large of course!

My friends: Yo did you check out the new XYZ vaporizer that's gonna come out next month? Let's get one.

Me: Word. I already preordered.

*One session with the MFLB*

Me: You know what? Fuck that shit.

Seriously, this little vape is so awesome because of how versatile and personal it is. You can put a tiny ass bit and it'll last you for 2 sessions. You can fill it up to the rails, and if you're like me, it can last up to 2 days even. I say that this vaporizer is personal because it literally works in conjunction to you! You vape for 3 seconds, it does the job for exactly 3 seconds. No wasted herb, no pervading stench, no gook to clean (I only have to brush it a bit but nowhere near as nasty as the DaVinci got. Hmm.. that might be the only drawback, very little flavor compared to other vaporizers-- a price worth sacrificing for how well this vape is doing for my mind, body, and paper.

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