The Magic-Flight Box

Actually I was doing this for a while last summer. I had a 12 Volt gel battery and small solar panel in the garden I'd plug the PA into.

I got some 'sun grown' bud (high tech indoor being the more generally preferred types around here) and kind of enjoyed using sunlight to vape bud grown in sunlight.....

OF

I mentioned that I used the PA with the car adapter while using the concentrate tray. It worked great, just like being at home!! The only down side is that you can only use it while in the car.

Hate I've gone back a few pages now and can't seem to find an identity for the new batteries as to what brand and spec? Anyone got an idea? I'm well over due for new batteries and would rather not buy the 6month old batts from my headshop if they've been upgraded...

Did you get the regular LB or was it the Exotic wood LB ?
I'm just wondering if they're selling the newer batteries by themselves yet .

I just checked the site and it doesn't appear to be selling separately yet. However their description is "NiMH batteries" so it's really anyone's guess

Hey thanx Pcp ,
Maybe it's just a misquote .
But bo said he got some " extra " batteries .

It would be cool to try them out without having to but a new Exotic LB ...at least not right
this moment ...hehe

That 2 batteries came inside the box with the MFLB, it was a regular one (maple I think?). Apart from that the extra 3 packs of 2 batteries I bought where the usual "POWEREX AA1240-AZZA" without the logo in the cover or bottom.

Well, the thing is, from what Magic Flight said about it to me, they actually custom-made these new MF Logo Batteries, new cell structure or something like that? They confided that it was a bit expensive to roll something like that out, which is why they only include them with the "premium kits." They may or may not be getting enough stock to sell, they didn't specifically tell me that but I infered it from the context. As for if they'll be available for sale, I don't think that's anytime in the next month or two. I mean, the Concentrate Tray isn't even officially out yet, if I were them I would be prioritizing that over getting more money for batteries. If anything, they can use the profits from the CT to make more MF Batteries. I will say though, having 4 batteries as well as two MF Batteries, I will be purchasing 4 or maybe even 6 of the MFB's as soon as I can. I like them that much. Coincidentally, I've lit trenches on fire (actual cherries and smoke and all) with the MFB's. Not even my Powerex 2700's got me to that point right off the charger. They've got a kick to them, and I love it.

i asked magic flight about the new batteries and they replied, that they will try to equip the maple kits with the special cells starting this summer. this will also include the european resellers. no word of selling the new cells separately, though.

I bought a maple MFLB in PIU and it came with the new batteries.

So these are "specific" to MF?

What about a 2.5 watts backpacking solar panel i have the goal zero line http://www.rei.com/product/827121/goal-zero-guide-10-plus-adventure-kit-solar-charger" would that be ok to use with the pa under good sunlight conditions?

It will work, but like my garden system you'll also need an 'accumulator' (battery) since you need nearly ten times that much power (say about 20 Watts) to get the box going. We need something like 12 Watts at the screen and when you start working back from that (against efficiencies) you need to have about 20 on tap. No big deal from even a pretty modest battery pack if you don't want to store too many hits.

So, under good conditions you could expect to vape one minute out of ten. However, in 4 or 5 hours of 'good sun' you could bank enough juice for half an hour or more of heating, half a dozen trenches or more. Plus you'd have some modest power to run a few LEDs to have light to do it by.

OF

Sounds like i got a little project to do. Im trying to justify extra weight in my pack for extra use. Was thinking of just charging my stock batteries with the solar panel but figured it wouldnt be regulated enough and could possibly damage them? How heavy would good battery pack be OF??

I assume you really meant 'how light could a good pack be?'? As a guess, with a little head scratching maybe four RCR123a would do it? A protection circuit for Li-ions might be easier to do maybe. I'd guess something between a quarter and half a pound? My battery pack weighs six ounces, 8 with case and cable.

The electric helicopter guys manage the make them fly after all.

The gel battery I used last summer is several pounds, but is rock simple to set up.

OF

well ive got like 16 rcr123a with my thermovape stuff. Ill look into making a pack with those for on the go with the mflb.

your project sounds promising. don't forget to post some pictures of the final setup

Spring is here im going to start tomorrow im guessing going to the uintas in about 2 weeks =)

Spring huh? It's going to be 7 degrees tomorrow morning here. I like to take the box out onto the deck for arctic fresh hits :~)

Hey guys, just wanted to show you all what you should and shouldn't do with the Concentrate Tray once you get them. I had to go renew my recommendation earlier, and picked up a gram of some Blue Dream honeycomb-lookin' blond goodness. And yes, I have a new mousepad on the way



This is how you do it wrong. Only the bottom decided to melt in a little bit, around the edges as well:



This is how you do it right. This is the same piece of concentrate as above, but broken up with the tweezers:



And this is how it should look after using it. I took a little hit (DELICIOUS) and I melted the rest in for later:

You have shown why I feel a lot of vaporizers don't work for people who use whole pieces of concentrates, they need to break it up as much as possible so the hot air can effect the concentrate. If they don't, the heat won't penetrate as it should causing you to need a higher temperature. Once people learn the right way to use concentrates with vaporizers, dabbing will probably die down.

Props to you for doing it right!.

It's only logical, the Launch Box itself works best with the most surface area as possible. Small pieces heat quicker and more uniformly, it doesn't make sense not to break it up. I can't say I agree with you re: the death of the dab, I'll always have the nail close-by. I puked my brains out earlier today out of nowhere (but probably from my medications) and I would have loved to have my rig with me to take a huge glob of oil in one hit. I had my DART with me but alas, the nausea beat me this time. Plus, a butane torch doesn't require electricity

I think you might have missed the point. It's not "so the hot air can effect the concentrate". This is not a convection deal, hot air is not the process, it's conduction. Breaking it up puts more in contact with the tray (the hot air was doing little if any good). This allowed melting it in, a vital step that convection doesn't use. Finally, once melted in, conduction could further heat it to vaporizing temperature.

That, I think, is the lesson here. It has nothing to do with hot air, everything to do with using the tray as intended to get good results. It's conduction, not convection, and calls for that kind of technique.

OF

He's not talking in regards to the LB/CT, but vaporizers in general. He means the reason people don't get the best results with vaporizers and BHO is because they add one big glob, instead of breaking it up to increase surface area. Imagine the Solo for instance, with a fat pea of oil in between flower beds. Would that vape? Sure. Could it be much better if you broke the oil up and spread it more evenly? Yep.

Could well be the intent, and in general that is probably right, but when he starts out "You have shown" using this example I think he missed the point of the example. This is not an example of hot air working on the concentrate.

We grind fine to work well on convection vapes. But we also grind fine for MFLB, which is a conduction vape. Largely for the same reason (more contact with hot stuff). And not all convection vapes need this grinding, HA and Solo being examples. Both do intact buds just fine.

OF