Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by magicflight, May 16, 2009.
I think they are up for sale now.
Not having received a release/permission I'm making no such guesses.
"Oh what a wicked web we weave,when first we practice to deceive...."
I'll never get a release because I didn't sign an NDA. I was asked not to talk about them during the beta but there was no legal obligation for me not to, and there still isn't. My obligation to them was strictly moral. Since the batteries are shipping, I don't feel bound to keep silent. Magic-Flight might feel differently and if they do, I regret our difference but I never agreed to anything, I just got a request.
I assumed that Magic-Flight would want to see discussion of the new batteries now that they are rolling them out. I could be wrong. If they ask me to stop, I will.
I guess we don't even know if the new batteries are the same ones we were beta testing. For that matter, we don't even know if we all tested the same ones. My bet is that they are, but that is merely my assumtion until Magic Flight addresses the new batts.
How do we know for sure? I suppose asking Magic Flight would be the only way. They only have one kind of battery to buy now too.
Hello, yes I was able to remove the glass piece from the wood piece, and was then able to fully remove the whip. The end where it goes into the glass has an even smaller stem! Smaller than the shorty ones from the whip.
I couldnt agree more! The WPW, though mine has not arrived yet, seems like a major improvement over the original MF WPA! I cant wait for mine.
We are truly blessed as vaporists
Yep. Personal call. "Strictly moral" is all I need, no reflection on others, of course. No doubt a reasonable assumption, but I'm not making assumptions any more than guesses, no need to?
Good point. That would be another way to know, but I didn't ask, so......
The other part is also interesting to me, did they ever have more than one type? I slept through that part I guess. Seems to happen more and more often.
No big deal I'm sure, personal call.
If Magic Flight starts selling the beta batteries that we tested, and there is only one battery available for sale on their site, how would we ever know they started selling the beta batteries? I mean, logic suggests they would just stop sending out the old batts, and start sending out the beta batts (at this point out of beta). But, unless they made some kind of announcement, no one would ever know, it would just happen.
I need to buy another set of batteries, and a few caps, but would like to know for sure before I place my order. So, I may wait until after the holidays. I'm not sure if they ever sold more than one type of battery at a time on their website.
Yep, their call, for sure. Beta testing is usually not about finding out how good something is, but really the other way. Find the problems. Say for instance finding an accidental deep discharge (or just 'one too many hits') is fatal? After that capacity and heat (or lifespan) drops off? One guy finding this could quietly end the program.
If, OTOH, these guys are as good as you good folks are saying and MF is offering them for sale, I'll be looking to buy some to upgrade my supply......without waiting for them to give out. And I've got more than one box to support....
These new batteries sound excellent I hope they have them here in OZ.
So its been almost a year to the day that I received my LB and a whole year on this board that has helped me enjoy my LB even more! I love my box! It gets used daily and I've been using the PA and Vapor Lung combo for quite a while now.
I've even gotten 2 of my buddies to purchase their own MFLB. It's my one year anniversary and i wanted to say i love FC and my MFLB!
Been a fun year huh? No matter where this goofy Vape-world takes me,I will ALWAYS have a MFLB in my pocket as a back up.
I've been using one as my only Vape for the last 6-7 months and it's never let me down. Always nice to know that with the MFLB I'm never more than 10 seconds away from a good buzz.
These new batteries sound interesting. Are MF doing research with NiMh and finding new ways to boost output for the box's specific use-case? I hope they'll be able to say something about the technology they're working on.
These sound like they'll be a premium product you can get through their website, like the PA, and not a replacement for the imedions they ship with new kit. The imedions have an easier learning curve.
My take is when they want to discuss them they will...... It is their call.
Until then their request seems to have been confidentiality?
Who knows. Wanna know what I do know? These are definitely the batteries that every Box should have had. The people that complain about the 1 trench per battery thing would be wone over with these, I bet. They blow the stock ones out of the water. I went from 4x Powerex 2700's and the PA to just the two MF batteries for 3 months. I didn't have to worry about popping them in the charger before sleeping, I'm pretty much guaranteed enough power for a solid trench if not two. That usually holds me over for 3-5 hours, plenty of time to recharge them.
i guess, i got overwhelmed by the amount of the declaration of love for the mflb, so here is my.
i've got the box one and a half years ago. by that time, the box couldn't be bought in my country. the nearest distributor was sitting in the uk. the guys definitely meant it well, when they exchanged the original us-charger for the british one(though not of great use for me) along with different batteries. that move of good will from their part costed me time to realise the true potential of this little wonder. it took me a while to finally figure out the importance of the right batteries and a good charger. and here i am, using the box as my portable of choice. i've tried the whisper and the solo, and i'm sorry to say, they just don't do it for me. i tend to compare the box with the AK 47: simple, reliable, easy to clean, perfectly does its hob, iconical in appearance and copied by others, trying to get their share of its glory. the fact, that magic flight continuously develops products for the better use of the box makes it difficult for somebody to not consider it as their medication weapon of choice. the wallnut finish and the classy safe materials make it to a true gentlemen's vaporizer in my eyes.
on a different note, yesterday after filling a trench in the dark, i asked myself, if magic flight actually couldn't produce a nice woodden "magazine" for preground medicine. something like the 00 pocket box, only smaller, i don't even care about a keef screen. it's just, i feel sorry for my precious herbs being carried around in a plastic container, be it a bag or a tic tac box or something else. i've also read somewhere, that wood conserves and protects the herbs better and actually could positively enhance their favor. magic flight has the technical know how and the knowledge of materials. they could probably easily build a little stashbox on the basis of the finnishing grinder, with exactly the same thickness as the box. with a glass stem it could have a simple mechanism to fill the trenches with the right amount of preground herbs, like the sugarshakers with tubes, you guys probably know. this way, one always has the trench filled properly, protected from wind and preventing material from unnecessary waste even when it's dark around or maybe when you don't have too much space around you, and you can leave your grinders at home and only need to carry around the batteries and the box itself. think something like a powder box for antique rifles or boxes for snuff tobaco. sure, it's not an item of absolute necessity, but it has its advantages, along with the certain trademark appeal of the high quality magic flight products. what do you guys think?
looks like this post turned out longer than i thought traces from yesterday's good night trench are probably still active in my system
I have a small glass vial that I put my ground up herbs into. It works fine, doesn't taint the flavor, and is just a bit smaller than a battery so it goes easy in the pocket. I think Vito has a link handy for one of those, they're pretty cheap at a dollar or two USD.
Here's where I got mine, OF linked it a while back.
Axakal, I like the idea for a wind-proof dispensing system easily used in the dark.
In regards to the discussion of the batteries, as a representative of the company I have the 'authorization' to /suggest/ the following information. Yes, we had previously done Beta testing on a new, special battery, designed exclusively and specifically for use with the MFLB. It is a LSD/HSD hybred cell, having more power and good retention, with some custom/secret internal features which I cannot talk about. A number of these were sent earlier this year to select members of this forum for testing (we love you FC!), with excellent results. As a result, our custom battery manufacturing integration is moving forward, even though efforts like that (special adjustments to the internal chemistry) generally take years to develop and implement, not to mention exceptional up-front costs.
We expect that the development of improved batteries, and energy storage technology in general, will always be an area of intensive ongoing research -- not just by ourselves, but by a rather large number of companies. To some extent, these are incremental, though important improvements. As such, all that I can really do is beg for your patience as we continue with the effort to bring you the best and best performing products and tools possible. Though it can be a lot of fun to do this sort of work, _Real_Art_takes_time_, and can be very expensive to do right.
Given both the excellent test results with the custom MF cells and the ongoing requests of the connoisseurs on this forum both for alternative woods and better batteries, we have started shipping the new custom cells with the premium Walnut and Cherry wood kits. If you purchase a premium wood kit direct from us, you will get the new batteries.
Unfortunately, at the moment, the premium kits are the only reliable way to get these cells, as we simply do not have very many of them ourselves. Integrating and deploying new manufacturing and cell build processes is *not* easy or fast! It is our hope that we will be able to begin to phase in retail sales of these new cells over the next few months. Once that is done, it is our expectation that we will have completed the general roll-out of the new cells, for all kits shipped, by next summer. In the meantime, for everyone's benefit, my /request/ is that any public discussion of the new MF batteries be limited to the FC forum, if at all possible, until we get a little further along in our efforts.
There are a lot of exciting developments coming -- things we have been working on for the last two years to prepare. All I can suggest in the interim is "watch this space"!
That is soooooo yesterday.
I actually know of the incident your mentioning. One of our UK distributors asked to purchase the kits without the chargers, since at that time, we did not have the appropriate plug adapter to ship with the kit, even though the chargers themselves would work just fine. Unfortunately, the charger they selected for the UK also came bundled with batteries, and those tag-along batteries, as you note, were not up to the required standard -- very few are. Unfortunately, this caused a lot of people problems, and poor first impressions with the Box. It took us some months to get it corrected.
We cannot stress enough how important it is to get high quality batteries, and to not believe the packaging hype that most resellers put on the labels! Far too often, we find that less reliable "resellers" will attempt to reduce the overall cost of "batteries for the MFLB" by any means possible -- including bundling cheap (nearly unusable) batteries rather than our own verified and validated cells. A "great deal" on Ebay or Amazon for may not actually be so worthwhile if the battery you get is unusable, does not fit properly, has poor or intermittent performance, cannot hold a charge, etc. The only way you can be _absolutely_certain_ of getting a battery known to be good for the Box is to buy it from us direct via our website.
Also, it is important for people to understand that even very good batteries do not last forever. Personally, I would recommend getting a new set every 4 to 6 months -- you will be very glad you did so! Depending on your usage and battery care patterns, the difference in performance when getting a fresh set can be very noticeable.
is it better to let the batteries dry out or charge them after each session?
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