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The Herbalizer

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by nopartofme, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    The more I contemplate this machine, the more excited I get. I would love to try some white sage and eucalyptus etc :) I really want to take my vapor lab to the next level and have an entire stock of Chinese/medicinal herbs that I can use for my health instead of big pharma pills. Can't wait for some feedback on this unit from people we know/trust.
  2. bleak

    bleak Well-Known Member

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    Looks really good!! But I wish they had been more original with the name... I've already gotten the Herbalaire and the Herborizer names confused... now another one to add to the mix :doh:
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  3. Josh's Dad

    Josh's Dad Father of the Herbalizer.com founder

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    Just want to introduce myself. Josh is the founder and CEO for the Herbalizer and I'm his father. Only recently found out about this site and after getting over the shock of the name find the dialog, level of interest, participation, and knowledge extremely insightful. For me this is an amazing forum and each day I look forward to reading, learning, and getting surprised. Thank you.
  4. VaPeD&CoNfUsEd

    VaPeD&CoNfUsEd JoDa Glassworks Glass Blower

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    That is very cool Josh's dad! It's nice to see a father supporting his son. I really think he's on to something here. Welcome to the forums. You will learn a lot here.
  5. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Awww.......this is a first. Welcome................
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  6. Mynameismud

    Mynameismud But call me Alowishus Devadander Abercrombie.

    Are you looking to adopt?
  7. synche

    synche Well-Known Member

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    Edited: I was going to reply to a post, then I posted a copy of the post with nothing else by mistake, as I hadn't even started to compose the reply.

    Might have had something to do with the freshly harvested wand hash.
  8. SeriouslyHIgh

    SeriouslyHIgh Member Retailer

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    I find it interesting that 2 NASA engineers designed something that looks like a flying saucer! I wonder how big this thing is?
  9. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    This [previously posted] video shows a good size comparison between it and a corn kernel

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  10. SeriouslyHIgh

    SeriouslyHIgh Member Retailer

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    Thanks, I guess it would have helped if I didn't look just at page 1 and 5 :doh:
  11. Josh's Dad

    Josh's Dad Father of the Herbalizer.com founder

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    Since I am just beginning as a FC newby, it's important for me to clarify that I'm a total independent and not a representative of Herbalizer.com, although of course I'm their #1 fan. My son Josh, CEO of Herbalizer, unfortunately won't be participating due to the overpriced lawyers.


    That said, Josh has been talking about the importance of exact temperature control for years and I would appreciate some more follow-up on the comments below. As I understand it, each molecule has a unique boiling point, for example, H2O boils at 100°C or 212°F, so what if you boil impure water for an hour at 99°C (thus boiling away all the impurities that boil < H2O), then start boiling it at 100°C? Wouldn't you then be boiling pure water? And wouldn't the same be true for Cannabinoids?

  12. tepictoton

    tepictoton Well-Known Member

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    Hmm I think if you do this, a lot of water will evaporate too in that hour...:2c: i guess that is one of the points being made here, that even below a substance boiling point a certain amount of evaporation takes place, i.e. a glass of water will evaporate at room temp over a long enough period.

    I guess with cannabis that means it becomes harder to single out one single component so to speak. with other herbs, that might have more or less one specific desired compound, the trick of extracting only what you want might be a bit easier. I guess it shows us again that nothing is perfect;)

    Do like very much what I have seen so far. Time for the beta testers to come in and enlighten us I would say:)

    Oh and a little side note on the 'plastic'. I don't know what this is going to be made of, but I myself have learned that my MINIVap, wich has a lot of internal 'plastic like' parts, tastes way much better then my solo with gong...I do believe we have passed the time of glass being the one and only inert substance to create vapor tasting like it is supposed too...and yes there is a big difference between the solo and minivap when it comes to how they work, was just saying that 'plastic' like does not mean it will taste worse then glass, the opposite might be true:p (not trying to derail the subject at hand wich is the herbalizer)

    So I'll just sit back now and see what pops up:cool:
  13. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    tepictoton has explained it correctly. Vapour is produced long before the boiling point is reached. I've written an article for Vape World that goes into some detail about this.

    One of the things I mention is that the compounds do not exist in isolation. I didn't explore this in detail because I don't think anyone has actually done research to determine how much this matters, but mixtures of two or more components can form something called an azeotrope. This means the mixture has a boiling point that differs from that of any of it parts. Additionally, some of the compounds we're interested in are changing as we heat them. The result of all this is that even with precise temperature control we cannot isolate specific components, we can only select the temperature that maximizes the ratio of the target component to the others that are being vapourized.
  14. Darb

    Darb Well-Known Member

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    Why would lawyers keep somebody from giving out information on a product that have designed?
  15. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    Now that's a good Dad :rockon:

    Might be a disclosure agreement type of deal.
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  16. stickstones

    stickstones Wasted Staff Member

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    stonemonkey's lawyers asked his company to stop posting here. what lawyer would not tell their client to shut up?
  17. CentiZen

    CentiZen Evil Genius in Training Accessory Maker

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    Could have licensed some IP from a company under NDA to make the device... or maybe their lawyers are just paranoid about china. There's many things that can go wrong for a company here...
  18. Slightly Medicated

    Slightly Medicated (SliM) Iron Lungs

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    The lawyers likely don't want his device associated with this type of forum. He is probably taking a approach similar to S&B and Arizer. While we have come a long way in the past few years. We have to keep in mind that cannabis is illegal in most places.
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  19. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    First, let me state that I like the Herbalizer, and can't wait for it to come out.

    As far as the differences between the Aromed, and the herbalizer, from what I can tell by the information I have seen so far, is that the Aromed is more "homebuilt", meaning it is made in a way that, there is a chance that less things can go wrong, and built to last. If you need to change the heater, you can go to the store, and get the halogen bulb. The herbalizer uses more harder to get tools, so if things go wrong with the heater, you need them to change things.

    The Aromed may have the thermocouple above the bulb, but the way they accomplish keeping the temperature accurate, is by having the hot air accumulate in the screwcap, then having it shoot out into the herb. This is why it has the holes instead of one big one. They also made the aromed to deal a certain amount of air to heat up (3 liters every 5 seconds) so it can heat up to the temperature you dialed in. The way air operates, it rises when it gets hot, so by having the sensor above the bulb, you can measure the incoming air's temperature, and the bulb adjusts to make sure the hot air it makes, is what you dialed in. This is why you don't have to worry about heat effecting your herb when you aren't inhaling, because the Aromed lightbulb dims down when you aren't inhaling allowing the excess heat to rise away from your herb, and keep it cool. As long as you inhale at the speed it is allowed to measure, you will get a precise temperature. This ingenious way of thinking to make a vaporizer, is why you only need 65 watts to make it work, as opposed to 300w that the Herbalizer needs.

    The Herbalizer, is perfect for when someone wants to inhale like a bong user, while still getting precise temperature. Now, they will be diluting the vapor with tons of air, but it's still good to have that choice for certain people. The look is also much nicer for those that need the eye candy. And it doesn't use glass so there is less chance to break anything.
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  20. OO

    OO Technical Skeptical

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    There's more to it, pure water at 1 atmosphere of pressure (changes with altitude and weather fluctuations) can exist in two states at 100*C, liquid and gas. In order to change the state, you still need to put in lots of heat to overcome the intermolecular forces that hold the molecules together in the liquid state. Heat is an often forgotten/ignored/neglected/etc. factor, but it is of critical importance to be both accurate and precise.

    Because of how comments are interpreted. Many people who don't understand things often misinterpret comments in a negative way, and will go on campaigns against a product. Similarly, it is often looked down upon when a product representative says anything negative, even if they are in the right, and only defending themselves.

    Similarly to how I frown upon deceit when it comes to statements similar two "other vapes don't work".
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  21. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    New videos for 4/20 . . . :)


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  22. m0sh

    m0sh Singer Song Writer Stoner

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    The second video is great!

    Looks really nice, I don't mind the whip setup, in fact this looks like the perfect bedroom vape.
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  23. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Maybe this has been asked before, but can you use the whip without the fan assist?
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  24. Slightly Medicated

    Slightly Medicated (SliM) Iron Lungs

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    Looking good.

    I picked up some fresh lavender from the local tulip fields. I imagine it would be quite relaxing in this vaporizer.
  25. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    On the Applications page on the herbalizer web site it says you can use the fan for an extra boost with the whip or shut it off if you don't need it . If the fan was on all the time I'd have no use for this Vape .
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