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The Arizer Air

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by pakalolo, Nov 26, 2014.

  1. tb42091

    tb42091 Well-Known Member

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    Dammit Ron Burgandy. That's not the news I was hoping to hear :lol:

    Is there any way they can tell if you've been running it on non arizer batts? And sounds more worth it to get the air 2 batts instead if arizer backed them for this application too.

    I know, that's why I jumped on it! Someone posted it on reddit, solos were the same price but I already had one. I added the coupon myself. They are all sold out now though, looks like they were just clearing inventory.
     
  2. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Sad to say it sure sounds like the 18650 has reached the end of the line. When the big power demand comes the voltage sags far enough to drop the processor. Like when the kitchen sights dim a bit when the washer starts, only in this case the drop is inside the 18650, not it the house wiring.

    I assume you don't have a spare to try? I'd suggest you get one, perhaps the new one from Air II which is an approved upgrade as I understand it, and should not only revive your old unit but give you a couple extras sessions per charge (50% increase). If that doesn't do it, you'll at least have a spare for the replacement you're sure to want?

    OF
     
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  3. fachada

    fachada Active Member

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    just a couple posts back...

     
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  4. tb42091

    tb42091 Well-Known Member

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    Yupp that's where the "sounds like" came from!
     
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  5. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    Have you tried a new battery?




    I have an air 1.5 and an air 2.......I still go for my air1 if I want a hotter more compact hit. I love both though and these are some super solid vapes to own.

    If those air1's are real....that is a total steal of a deal! I use LG HG2's and the Air2 and Argo batteries with it.
     
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  6. DopeFight

    DopeFight Well-Known Member

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    Yes.... I have one battery that is pretty old but the other is fairly new. I bought it about 3 months back. Dosen't seem to matter which one I use....same results.
     
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  7. jpdnkstr

    jpdnkstr Well-Known Member

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    Is it possible that the spring on your end cap has been compressed too much maybe try stretching it out a little bit? Carefully
     
  8. tb42091

    tb42091 Well-Known Member

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    Alrighty I just finished my first bowl in the air. I used a solo bent stem because I didnt want to dirty up the new stuff. First impressions are, solid. Maybe slight edge to the solo as far as vapor production, it took slightly longer to get vapor compared to the solo but aside from that its really just a solid vape. On reddit I see dynavap and fury 2 recommended constantly but IMO the solo and air are 2 of the best beginner vapes you can get, and a great addition to any collection because they are quite tankish and the vapor quality is insane for the price, and in general. I think the air is probably going to become my new travel vape. So small yet so powerful. Im looking into the short eds stems just to rid myself of the worry of breaking glass when I'm super on the go.
     
  9. PurpleDazed

    PurpleDazed Well-Known Member

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    I feel its worth mentioning here the years of use I have gotten from my arizer airs.
    I own 2 one black and one silver both the first Air model. and they are my daily drivers.
    I use them with the joda 18mm gong glass stem on a Zob 10 inch bubbler.
    I have seen arizer now offers a 2nd Air model and when one of the model 1's go I will probably get a few model 2's.
     
  10. KidFated.

    KidFated. We Don't Even Live Here..

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    Yeah I've beat the piss out of my air and she's still a rockin.. one solid piece of equipment. If it dies, I'll get the updated OG air, I don't want the screen.
     
  11. Jack Sprat

    Jack Sprat Well-Known Member

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    Looking For An Aftermarket Battery - Help With Safe Specs Please!

    I'm looking for a couple of after market batteries for my Air. While I'd love to buy an original, as I'm not in North America the least expensive one I can find is $30 shipped. I simply don't have $60 to spend on two batteries.

    With that in mind, what are some batteries that would be safe to use in the Air? It's often run with back to back sessions. I understand that run-time might be compromised, but that's an okay trade-off for safety. Also, I only use an external Xtar charger with 4.20v charging cut-off.

    I usually buy 18650 cells here as they don't sell knock offs and have reasonably priced shipping to me. Does anyone see anything that could safely work in the Air?
    https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size.html

    Thanks for the help!

    Jack
     
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  12. sickmanfraud

    sickmanfraud Well-Known Member

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    I believe this the battery they are using in the Air II https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/panasonic-ncr18650b-made-in-japan.html
     
  13. stardustsailor

    stardustsailor Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    For two years now I 've been running my Air with LG HE4 .

    Any 18650 Li-ion cell that is a "high _drain" ( > 10 A ) one ,can drive safely the Air .
    At the link you provided ,you can choose whatever cell you like ,as long as it has
    a continuous discharge rating of more than 10 Amps
    .

    Many -if not most- of the listed cells at the site will do for the job.

    ;)

    Cheers.
    :2c:
     
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  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    While that is true enough (provided the rating is honest, which is not always true), the actual number is 4.8 Amps? That's the rating on the NCR18650B from Panasonic that Arizer now uses. And since high current potential (whether you use it or not) is a 'trade off' with battery capacity (run time) going with higher than necessary potential current capacity simply 'robs' run time.

    That potential comes a serious cost.

    The HE4, an excellent cell for what it does, 'only' gives us 1500mAh in exchange for the 30 Amp potential it offers but we never use. Good call when you need it, I use them in several vapes. Sticking with 'the factory cell' means 3400mAh, over twice the run time per charge....... Over twice, if run time is important to you?

    That exact cell, the Panasonic NCR18650B, is the best possible choice available today.....no doubt why Arizer selected it? IMO our man SMF (who is wise beyond his years......) is spot on with his advice again.

    Your call, as always. You asked for advice, mine definitely follows his.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
  15. stardustsailor

    stardustsailor Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    [​IMG]

    https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Efest IMR18650 3500mAh (Purple) 2017 UK.html

    https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/LG 18650 MJ1 3500mAh (Green) UK.html

    https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Samsung INR18650-35E 3500mAh (Pink) UK.html

    https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mAh (Red) UK.html

    https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh (Green) UK.html

    :2c:
     
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  16. GSDlife

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    While I have an argo (not an air), as you know they both use 18650 batteries. Sickmanfraud and stardustsailor are correct that the Panasonic ncr18650b is the cell provided with the argo, so likely to be what comes with the air as well. I vape fresh flower as well as using an ecig vape and flashlights that all use 18650s.. I can say from experience that while something like a Samsung 25r or a Sony vtc5 will certainly power an arizer, there are capacity trade offs as mentioned by OF (this is also why the ncr18650b is an extremely popular cell in the flashlight world too). I ended up ordering 4 extra ncr18650b cells from the online auction site (I’m not paid to advertise so not saying the name )

    I will say that I usually cycle my batteries through an external charger (efest luc6- only named for tech reasons...) and don’t ever run them to the point they can’t power the device. Usually I will pack 3 stems and run each stem for 2 cycles (390°-399/407°) and when I place the battery on the charger it is normally discharged to ~3.63/5 (after 6 cycles of use). Based on the battery display bar (on the argo) the Panasonic’s show the best duration of battery life when out and about with the argo

    If you are confident that the cells are authentic(remember the word on the street is that manufacturers don’t actually retail these to the vendors who we buy from) then I’d say go ahead and grab them

    Depending on how much experience you have with 18650 cells... if you plan to carry spares in your pocket PLEASE put them in a case as a shorting 18650 is bad juju

    Hope my free advice is worth more than you paid for it
     
  17. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    This is a fun topic for those very few of us who 'get into' such stuff. First, forget the first two, they don't make any......they 'relabel' from the only four real makers in the whole world? That would be LG, Sanyo, Panasonic and Sony. And none of them make cells for this market. Yes, none of them (including Panasonic) intend to sell/support single users like us. They only sell to folks making up packs that will include protections. Everything we can get access to is 'gray market', somewhere along the line the chain gets broken which is why you can find counterfeits even from the best of sellers from time to time.

    Then, don't trust ratings claimed by folks looking for your money. A very common ploy is to quote current ratings that aren't continuous. The major customers (e-cig users) never run more than a few seconds at a time and rarely 'chain hit' enough to really tax self heating. PEAK current capacity is claimed instead as are widely crazy capacities. Some over 4000mAh?

    There's a very knowledgeable and driven fellow working in this very area going by the 'handle' of "Battery Mooch" or some such. When I got interested in the details, I found his profuse writings and independent TESTING invaluable. Those really interested should seek him out, not take it from me 'second hand'?

    Perhaps you should ask yourself 'if those cells are better, why doesn't Arizer use them instead? When Air first came out it used a very obscure cell which our very own Centizen (no longer an active member?) who researched it and told us the details. He then bought a 'batch' from the bulk seller (somewhere in the EU IIRC) and sold them to us at a reduced price. There were two similar colors. Now the Panasonic cell is available and has been approved for use in older Airs as well by Airzer (in theory using any other voids the warranty. FWIW, these same cells, with tabs welded on (never solder directly to the bodies) are used in pairs to make the battery pack (correct term, battery here, since it has two or more cells working together) for Solo II.

    Anyway, it's your money, buy what you want. The OP asked advice, I've given mine and the reasons behind it. 'Battery Mooch' is the guy best 'in the know' IMO. And also IMO Airzer knows very well what they're doing here.

    Good points, thanks very much for the confirmation of 'best life per charge'. It's a bit of a risk under the best conditions. Buying the 'factory battery' (really a cell.....) from an approved Arizer dealer is safest I guess, but fakes are easy enough to spot when you start using them.

    For sure avoid deep discharges, and surprisingly total charges if you want maximum lifespan? Makers love to cram the last bit of charge in for maximum run time (sells vapes) and some might even want to sell you replacements? The 'industry standard' is to aim for 300 "cycles" (recharges) before replacement. This can be DOUBLED (to 600) if you stop 10% early, that is only charge to 4.1 Volts. Doubled. Drop another 10% (stop at 4.0) and it doubles again! Yup, 1200 cycles, not 300. Check out BU:
    https://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

    Look at the stuff around table 4.

    And for sure heed GSDs timely and important warning and treat these guys with all due respect, there's a HUGE amount of energy 'on tap' to do mischief. A short at the top between shell and center with change, car keys, whatever and for sure "the sun is going to come up in your pocket"....... Perhaps another reason legitimate makers would prefer them available only is well designed (and protected) packs?

    Fun stuff, for sure.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
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  18. Jack Sprat

    Jack Sprat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks all for the help with the cells. The NRC18650b looks like a winner.
     
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  19. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Sure didn't take you long to 'break the code' IMO. I predict smooth sailing and much enjoyment ahead for you.

    Best regards and welcome to the gaggle of fans. I hope you stick around, good folks here you know.

    OF
     

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