tb42091

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Dammit Ron Burgandy. That's not the news I was hoping to hear :lol:

Is there any way they can tell if you've been running it on non arizer batts? And sounds more worth it to get the air 2 batts instead if arizer backed them for this application too.

That's the lowest price by a long long way than anything I've seen.
I know, that's why I jumped on it! Someone posted it on reddit, solos were the same price but I already had one. I added the coupon myself. They are all sold out now though, looks like they were just clearing inventory.
 

OF

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Happens time and time again... occasionally if it does start to actually heating up the red light appears like the battery is dead? anybody got an idea

Sad to say it sure sounds like the 18650 has reached the end of the line. When the big power demand comes the voltage sags far enough to drop the processor. Like when the kitchen sights dim a bit when the washer starts, only in this case the drop is inside the 18650, not it the house wiring.

I assume you don't have a spare to try? I'd suggest you get one, perhaps the new one from Air II which is an approved upgrade as I understand it, and should not only revive your old unit but give you a couple extras sessions per charge (50% increase). If that doesn't do it, you'll at least have a spare for the replacement you're sure to want?

OF
 

fachada

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just a couple posts back...

And sounds more worth it to get the air 2 batts instead if arizer backed them for this application too.

Hi everyone! Great news regarding the use of Air II batteries on the OG! This is the official response I got from Arizer (took them less than 5 minutes to reply!!!!!):


Hi,

Thank you for your inquiry.

It is safe to use Air II batteries with Arizer Air, but the Arizer Air software is optimized for use with the Air Battery and if using different batteries the battery indicator will be inaccurate.

You can purchase replacement Air II batteries directly form our Air II Accessories page.

If you have any further questions please feel free to ask.

Best Regards,
Andrew
Arizer Tech
Service@Arizer.com

I got my old air back after it had been out on loan for a while, I had forgotten how much I like this little vape. Now using it with one of my ArGo batteries I gotta say I believe it's one of my favorites.
 

LabPong

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I've just started having some issues with my Air. First off it's about 3 years old and has been in heavy use since day one. So it's probably about to die and go in the vape graveyard. Here's the problem....when I turn it on it will blink blur but when I turn it to the heat setting I want it will start to heat it buy the lights kinda flicker and go off. Happens time and time again... occasionally if it does start to actually heating up the red light appears like the battery is dead? anybody got an idea

Have you tried a new battery?




That's the lowest price by a long long way than anything I've seen.

I have an air 1.5 and an air 2.......I still go for my air1 if I want a hotter more compact hit. I love both though and these are some super solid vapes to own.

If those air1's are real....that is a total steal of a deal! I use LG HG2's and the Air2 and Argo batteries with it.
 

tb42091

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Alrighty I just finished my first bowl in the air. I used a solo bent stem because I didnt want to dirty up the new stuff. First impressions are, solid. Maybe slight edge to the solo as far as vapor production, it took slightly longer to get vapor compared to the solo but aside from that its really just a solid vape. On reddit I see dynavap and fury 2 recommended constantly but IMO the solo and air are 2 of the best beginner vapes you can get, and a great addition to any collection because they are quite tankish and the vapor quality is insane for the price, and in general. I think the air is probably going to become my new travel vape. So small yet so powerful. Im looking into the short eds stems just to rid myself of the worry of breaking glass when I'm super on the go.
 

PurpleDazed

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I feel its worth mentioning here the years of use I have gotten from my arizer airs.
I own 2 one black and one silver both the first Air model. and they are my daily drivers.
I use them with the joda 18mm gong glass stem on a Zob 10 inch bubbler.
I have seen arizer now offers a 2nd Air model and when one of the model 1's go I will probably get a few model 2's.
 

Jack Sprat

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Looking For An Aftermarket Battery - Help With Safe Specs Please!

I'm looking for a couple of after market batteries for my Air. While I'd love to buy an original, as I'm not in North America the least expensive one I can find is $30 shipped. I simply don't have $60 to spend on two batteries.

With that in mind, what are some batteries that would be safe to use in the Air? It's often run with back to back sessions. I understand that run-time might be compromised, but that's an okay trade-off for safety. Also, I only use an external Xtar charger with 4.20v charging cut-off.

I usually buy 18650 cells here as they don't sell knock offs and have reasonably priced shipping to me. Does anyone see anything that could safely work in the Air?
https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size.html

Thanks for the help!

Jack
 

sickmanfraud

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Looking For An Aftermarket Battery - Help With Safe Specs Please!

I'm looking for a couple of after market batteries for my Air. While I'd love to buy an original, as I'm not in North America the least expensive one I can find is $30 shipped. I simply don't have $60 to spend on two batteries.

With that in mind, what are some batteries that would be safe to use in the Air? It's often run with back to back sessions. I understand that run-time might be compromised, but that's an okay trade-off for safety. Also, I only use an external Xtar charger with 4.20v charging cut-off.

I usually buy 18650 cells here as they don't sell knock offs and have reasonably priced shipping to me. Does anyone see anything that could safely work in the Air?
https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size.html

Thanks for the help!

Jack

I believe this the battery they are using in the Air II https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/panasonic-ncr18650b-made-in-japan.html
 

stardustsailor

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Accessory Maker
Looking For An Aftermarket Battery - Help With Safe Specs Please!

I'm looking for a couple of after market batteries for my Air. While I'd love to buy an original, as I'm not in North America the least expensive one I can find is $30 shipped. I simply don't have $60 to spend on two batteries.

With that in mind, what are some batteries that would be safe to use in the Air? It's often run with back to back sessions. I understand that run-time might be compromised, but that's an okay trade-off for safety. Also, I only use an external Xtar charger with 4.20v charging cut-off.

I usually buy 18650 cells here as they don't sell knock offs and have reasonably priced shipping to me. Does anyone see anything that could safely work in the Air?
https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size.html

Thanks for the help!

Jack

For two years now I 've been running my Air with LG HE4 .

Any 18650 Li-ion cell that is a "high _drain" ( > 10 A ) one ,can drive safely the Air .
At the link you provided ,you can choose whatever cell you like ,as long as it has
a continuous discharge rating of more than 10 Amps
.

Many -if not most- of the listed cells at the site will do for the job.

;)

Cheers.
:2c:
 

OF

Well-Known Member
Any 18650 Li-ion cell that is a "high _drain" ( > 10 A ) one ,can drive safely the Air .
At the link you provided ,you can choose whatever cell you like ,as long as it has
a continuous discharge rating of more than 10 Amps
.

While that is true enough (provided the rating is honest, which is not always true), the actual number is 4.8 Amps? That's the rating on the NCR18650B from Panasonic that Arizer now uses. And since high current potential (whether you use it or not) is a 'trade off' with battery capacity (run time) going with higher than necessary potential current capacity simply 'robs' run time.

That potential comes a serious cost.

The HE4, an excellent cell for what it does, 'only' gives us 1500mAh in exchange for the 30 Amp potential it offers but we never use. Good call when you need it, I use them in several vapes. Sticking with 'the factory cell' means 3400mAh, over twice the run time per charge....... Over twice, if run time is important to you?

That exact cell, the Panasonic NCR18650B, is the best possible choice available today.....no doubt why Arizer selected it? IMO our man SMF (who is wise beyond his years......) is spot on with his advice again.

Your call, as always. You asked for advice, mine definitely follows his.

Regards to all.

OF
 

stardustsailor

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Accessory Maker
While that is true enough (provided the rating is honest, which is not always true), the actual number is 4.8 Amps? That's the rating on the NCR18650B from Panasonic that Arizer now uses. And since high current potential (whether you use it or not) is a 'trade off' with battery capacity (run time) going with higher than necessary potential current capacity simply 'robs' run time.

That potential comes a serious cost.

The HE4, an excellent cell for what it does, 'only' gives us 1500mAh in exchange for the 30 Amp potential it offers but we never use. Good call when you need it, I use them in several vapes. Sticking with 'the factory cell' means 3400mAh, over twice the run time per charge....... Over twice, if run time is important to you?

With that in mind, what are some batteries that would be safe to use in the Air? It's often run with back to back sessions. I understand that run-time might be compromised, but that's an okay trade-off for safety.




That exact cell, the Panasonic NCR18650B, is the best possible choice available today.



https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Efest IMR18650 3500mAh (Purple) 2017 UK.html

https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/LG 18650 MJ1 3500mAh (Green) UK.html

https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Samsung INR18650-35E 3500mAh (Pink) UK.html

https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mAh (Red) UK.html

https://lygte-info.dk/review/batteries2012/Panasonic NCR18650B 3400mAh (Green) UK.html

:2c:
 
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GSDlife

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While I have an argo (not an air), as you know they both use 18650 batteries. Sickmanfraud and stardustsailor are correct that the Panasonic ncr18650b is the cell provided with the argo, so likely to be what comes with the air as well. I vape fresh flower as well as using an ecig vape and flashlights that all use 18650s.. I can say from experience that while something like a Samsung 25r or a Sony vtc5 will certainly power an arizer, there are capacity trade offs as mentioned by OF (this is also why the ncr18650b is an extremely popular cell in the flashlight world too). I ended up ordering 4 extra ncr18650b cells from the online auction site (I’m not paid to advertise so not saying the name )

I will say that I usually cycle my batteries through an external charger (efest luc6- only named for tech reasons...) and don’t ever run them to the point they can’t power the device. Usually I will pack 3 stems and run each stem for 2 cycles (390°-399/407°) and when I place the battery on the charger it is normally discharged to ~3.63/5 (after 6 cycles of use). Based on the battery display bar (on the argo) the Panasonic’s show the best duration of battery life when out and about with the argo

If you are confident that the cells are authentic(remember the word on the street is that manufacturers don’t actually retail these to the vendors who we buy from) then I’d say go ahead and grab them

Depending on how much experience you have with 18650 cells... if you plan to carry spares in your pocket PLEASE put them in a case as a shorting 18650 is bad juju

Hope my free advice is worth more than you paid for it
 

OF

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This is a fun topic for those very few of us who 'get into' such stuff. First, forget the first two, they don't make any......they 'relabel' from the only four real makers in the whole world? That would be LG, Sanyo, Panasonic and Sony. And none of them make cells for this market. Yes, none of them (including Panasonic) intend to sell/support single users like us. They only sell to folks making up packs that will include protections. Everything we can get access to is 'gray market', somewhere along the line the chain gets broken which is why you can find counterfeits even from the best of sellers from time to time.

Then, don't trust ratings claimed by folks looking for your money. A very common ploy is to quote current ratings that aren't continuous. The major customers (e-cig users) never run more than a few seconds at a time and rarely 'chain hit' enough to really tax self heating. PEAK current capacity is claimed instead as are widely crazy capacities. Some over 4000mAh?

There's a very knowledgeable and driven fellow working in this very area going by the 'handle' of "Battery Mooch" or some such. When I got interested in the details, I found his profuse writings and independent TESTING invaluable. Those really interested should seek him out, not take it from me 'second hand'?

Perhaps you should ask yourself 'if those cells are better, why doesn't Arizer use them instead? When Air first came out it used a very obscure cell which our very own Centizen (no longer an active member?) who researched it and told us the details. He then bought a 'batch' from the bulk seller (somewhere in the EU IIRC) and sold them to us at a reduced price. There were two similar colors. Now the Panasonic cell is available and has been approved for use in older Airs as well by Airzer (in theory using any other voids the warranty. FWIW, these same cells, with tabs welded on (never solder directly to the bodies) are used in pairs to make the battery pack (correct term, battery here, since it has two or more cells working together) for Solo II.

Anyway, it's your money, buy what you want. The OP asked advice, I've given mine and the reasons behind it. 'Battery Mooch' is the guy best 'in the know' IMO. And also IMO Airzer knows very well what they're doing here.

Based on the battery display bar (on the argo) the Panasonic’s show the best duration of battery life when out and about with the argo

If you are confident that the cells are authentic(remember the word on the street is that manufacturers don’t actually retail these to the vendors who we buy from) then I’d say go ahead and grab them

Good points, thanks very much for the confirmation of 'best life per charge'. It's a bit of a risk under the best conditions. Buying the 'factory battery' (really a cell.....) from an approved Arizer dealer is safest I guess, but fakes are easy enough to spot when you start using them.

For sure avoid deep discharges, and surprisingly total charges if you want maximum lifespan? Makers love to cram the last bit of charge in for maximum run time (sells vapes) and some might even want to sell you replacements? The 'industry standard' is to aim for 300 "cycles" (recharges) before replacement. This can be DOUBLED (to 600) if you stop 10% early, that is only charge to 4.1 Volts. Doubled. Drop another 10% (stop at 4.0) and it doubles again! Yup, 1200 cycles, not 300. Check out BU:
https://batteryuniversity.com/index.php/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Look at the stuff around table 4.

And for sure heed GSDs timely and important warning and treat these guys with all due respect, there's a HUGE amount of energy 'on tap' to do mischief. A short at the top between shell and center with change, car keys, whatever and for sure "the sun is going to come up in your pocket"....... Perhaps another reason legitimate makers would prefer them available only is well designed (and protected) packs?

Fun stuff, for sure.

Regards to all.

OF
 
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CalyxSmokr

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Noticed an issue with my about 3 year old Air.
Running on green had the unit beep and shut down several times like I was pressing the button.
Truth be told I am using a new "Samsung18650-25R" - that I got off of ebay (sorry OF:rant:).
Is there a way to check if this is a counterfeit - and is this a problem that would be caused by a counterfeit?
Several times I had to restart to finish the load (actually about 5 times) and it would run for about 45 seconds and then beep and turn off.
Then I ran it with nothing in it and bumped heat up and down and seemed like it went maybe a full cycle. Actually seemed short though at maybe 8 minutes. Ran it again but turned it off before it shutdown. Have to get the stopwatch out to be sure.
So, is this as a problem with the switch or likely this battery. All I have is 3 I ordered off ebay so nothing to try it against until I find my old ones.
:hmm:

-found this on reddit and tried it
will update on whether this solves it

Instructional
[Solved] Arizer Air Shuts Off Prematurely

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If you are having problems with your Arizer Air like I was (shutting off right after reaching temperature), you'll be happy to hear this solution posted on a different thread by /u/Cloudzeater worked .

"I found this in an FC thread from Arizer Hello, Thanks for contacting us and we're sorry to hear that. You may be able to manually reset your Air. Please try the following: Plug the charger into the wall outlet Plug the charger into the AIR unit press and hold both buttons for approximately 4 seconds wait for 10 seconds then unplug from charger If this doesn't resolve the problem and it's consistently doing this we can provide our return instructions so we can test out the unit."

Just wanted to put this on the interwebs in case it helps any future people.

Cheers!
 
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Megaton

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I used my Air last night with an (authentic) samsung 25r and it worked just fine!

I don't use many session vapes, but the air is really nice when you have a bit of time to sip away. Works just as well on a half pack as it does a full. Never bothered with any but the highest temp though.
 

CalyxSmokr

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reset seems to have solved my problem.
what are the best screens for the Air stems? I got flat ones before and bent them myself. Is that .65"? It has been so long I forget the exact size.
I would like a prebent suggestion if they are far more durable. The ones I bend myself start to get mushy and make room for a larger load. I am willing to pay more if the screens will really last. I thought I saw OF posting a metal screen with holes punched in it but feel like that was sized for a different unit.
 

OF

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I just us a half inch flat screen and press it into tha bottom using a pencil holds it self in place and not trimming needed

As you wish, but I suggest you at least try 5/8 inch with a very slight dome in the same place. Not enough to reduce the load size by a significant amount, but enough to lift the screen up a bit for less restriction on the airflow and longer use between cleanings. Flat the screen mesh blocks a fair bit of the holes in the plate (about half the area 'by the numbers') and once those openings get fouled you're SOL. With a gap vapor can pass through any hole available, meaning less restriction and lots more screen to foul before cleaning becomes necessary.

Your call, of course, but at least check it out? A pack of screens it pretty cheap?

Regards to all.

OF
 
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