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Omicron Vaporizer for oils

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. kindbeats

    kindbeats Give me the Jillybean shatter and nobody gets hurt

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    The Hercules 3.7v will work on your Omicron v2 and HVD but it only does herbs, no oil. The 7.4v Hercules for the Persei does both oil and herbs.
  2. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    so just so i am clear if i bought a Omicron V2 and HVD (i do not own one just looking and considering) and if i wanted to do dry herbs i can get the Hercules cart and do dry herbs but i can't do oil in it. but since the omicron already had carts for oil it's really no big deal.... so all i would need is a Hercules for dry herbs and regular (2.4 2.0, 1.5 ohm) carts for oil or am i reading this wrong??
  3. kindbeats

    kindbeats Give me the Jillybean shatter and nobody gets hurt

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    You are correct, my friend! The Hercules 3.7 starts preordering this Friday if I'm not mistaken.
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  4. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    thank you.... still on the hunt for a "pen" that can do both oil and dry herbs. My access to oil is limited but flowers i can get so i am looking for the "pen" to do the oils when i can get my hands on them and my flowers the rest of the time
  5. kindbeats

    kindbeats Give me the Jillybean shatter and nobody gets hurt

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    Well, the v2 and HVD can do both oil and herb. Unfortunately, they don't have a dual purpose cart yet for the v2 or HVD.
  6. stray201

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    No, it was a slow and steady blink for as long as I held the button down. Pretty sure I fried the batteries by overcharging them - don't suppose there are any alternative battery / charger options? I loathe that charger.

    Anyway, no power was going to the unit from the batteries when I woke up this morning, so I'm giving them one last go in the charger before I seek out replacements - should be able to answer your question shortly. Unfortunately it looks as though PV and my local retailer are both out of stock. Might have to temporarily go back to using the Volcano for concentrates like a plebe... :lol:
  7. mmenzie

    mmenzie My friends call me "Menz"

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    one more question.... is there a "cart" or something for the omicron that allows for a "dab and go" like the TV Rev DART does??
  8. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there are a couple of options. I assume we're talking Omicron V1 or you'd change the battery.....

    My recommendation is to use the more common and it seem dependable 510 chargers 'all over town' for the e-cig guys and a thread adapter to mate it with the Omicron. Both TV and D9 sell them. That way, the traditional way of killing chargers (gluing the center pin to the unit with oil and pulling it out) is eliminated and you can use a cheaper, easier to find, and hopefully better charger.

    That brings up a good point, it is charging, right? The LED on the charger should change colors and the LED on the unit flashes when connected IIRC.....


    Sure, how about a TV Rev DART? You'd need that same adapter above of course. DART (LV) is a 1.5 Ohm load, same as the 1.5 Ohm Omicron cart is to the battery.

    OF
  9. stray201

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    It's the v2.5, both batteries were in the charger when the suspected fry happened. One of them is totally dead, the other gives me the blinking blue light when I hold the button down. Charger lights have never gone red for me the whole time I've had the damn thing, I couldn't be happier with the Omicron itself but the charger it ships with is beyond terrible. Can't wait for the passthrough.
  10. whyblameus

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    Yea I knew there not out yet.

    Can we actually get any info though?
    Like are they a complete different design then the regular carts?
    About how much will they be able to hold?
    Are they still boasting several hundred hits per gram?
    You know stuff like that man.

    What is the issue your trying to fix? Maybe we could help.

    I understand your busy with the Hercules just coming out im just intrested not tryin to rush you.
  11. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Oops, sorry, wrong version. Forget all that charger stuff. My favorite charger is the WF 188. They are very flexible (two charging rates, two voltages) and seem quite dependable.

    I'm with you on the charger, I'd rather use mine and save a few dollar or get an extra cart instead, but the kit is intended for folks with nothing to start I guess.

    Sounds to me like a charger issue at least if the LEDs aren't working. The batteries may or may not be toast, but I doubt the Omicron is (two different performances). I'd probably start with a charger if you don't want to send it all back to D9 for them to sort out. I'd also order at least one battery?

    Good luck.

    OF
  12. stray201

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    Yeah, that was going to be my initial plan of attack, problem is PV and my local retailer are both out of batteries, and D9 doesn't ship to Canada. I've heard patience is a virtue, but it's one that I've yet to acquire. :bang:

    EDIT: Oh yeah, and I'll hunt down one of those chargers too, thanks for the recommendation!
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  13. whyblameus

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    Its just a aw imr 18650 battery right? You can order them from about any ecig company.
    http://www.vaporus.com/AW-IMR-18650-2000mah.html
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  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Actually we're looking for 14500s. Probably the top choice is:
    http://www.lighthound.com/AW-IMR-14500-LiMN-Rechargeable-Lithium-Battery_p_3644.html

    Edit, OOOps, that's the one I use with the short tube, you need the 650 if you're running the normal one. I think this is where I got my spare, I don't think I found AW brand, perhaps they don't make them?
    http://www.cloudsofvapor.com/store/...-high-drain/875-cov-imr-14650-high-drain.html

    My favorite charger is this one:
    http://www.lighthound.com/Ultrafire...3-37-volt-Lithium-Battery-Charger_p_3669.html

    OF
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  15. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    The Omicron uses a 14650 cell, a 18650 will not work.


    Ok so here is an update on the Hercules 3.7v


    The Hercules 3.7v works great, produces massive clouds. Here is the hitch.

    The old v2 and v2.5 tops are not going to be reliable or long lasting. We have already started production on v2.5 tops that can handle the current load and will start replacing old tops soon as they start going bad. As much as we have tried the v2.5's can not sustain a 1.2-1.4 ohm load for long periods of time.

    We stand behind our products and will continue to upgrade our devices to make it better.
  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Great news on the Hercules getting sorted out. Thanks for the news.

    If I follow we go ahead and use the existing one for now? And the replacement will be the same basic thing as the current V2.5 (work the same)?

    OF
  17. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    yes use it till it breaks, and send it in when its cooked and we will replace it to the newer v2.5 with the stronger innards that can handle 1.2 ohm loads without issues.

    On another side not, we have a fix to get the Hercules to work with the Ophos. testing starts next week.
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  18. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    OK. Thanks for that. What happens when it frys? Completely dead? Light no heat? Won't turn off?

    So that means there will be three versions then? That is a lower power for Ophos or is Ophos already able to deal with the higher power?

    TIA

    OF
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  19. Bob Loblaw

    Bob Loblaw Astralnaut

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    how about the HVD tops on a long tube?
  20. whyblameus

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    Ok sorry I tried to look on the d9 site but it just said two 3.7 batteries included so I wasnt sure.

    I was wondering why the 3.7 Hercules cant do oils?
    Does it not get hot enough?
    If it was used at a higher voltage may it posibly work then?

    What is the resistance of the 7.4 Hercules?
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  21. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    It's plenty confusing for sure. Yes, this model does not produce enough heat for the job. It's big brother is running about 35 Watts, mine measures 1.6 Ohms which Omicron is OK with at 3.7 Volts but that will only develop 8.5 Watts.

    Raising the voltage will raise the current and therefore power will go up by the square of the increase. Double it (to 7.4 Volts) and the current doubles. Multiply twice the current (what ever it was) by twice the voltage (to get Power in Watts if current was Amps and voltage was Volts) and we have four times the power at twice the voltage.

    The rub is poor little Omicron isn't up to all that strain it seems. And who can blame it, really. Four times the power is above and beyond as they say. Going to Persei's bigger battery and tougher electronics is the key.

    G said the 3.7 Volt Hercules is running 1.2 Ohms IIRC. So that's 3.7/1.2 for 3 Amps. This times 3.7 Volts means 11.5 Watts. Remember these are calculated values. Hot off the charger will likely be a little more, the average a bit less since the supply won't put out the expected 3.7 (or 7.4 depending) Volts for a host of 'small' reasons. This power is just outside the normal 2.5 Amp maximum for the design which is why they go out over time and need the improved version still to come to be used full time this way. Getting enough power to do herbs is 'pushing the envelope' just a bit too far.

    This is a tough nut to crack (obviously), which is why G and D9 put in the big hours to get this far.

    FWIW I wonder what he's got up his sleeve to get it to fly with Ophos (can't upgrade the head there....). That should prove interesting as well.

    Hope this helps at least a bit?

    OF
  22. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    Ok here are combos on how the 3.7v Hercules will work on the Omicron.

    V2 original 3.7v should work ok but your not going to get the best performance. The top is going to give out sooner or later due to stress of the 1.2 ohm or 1.3 ohm loads.

    v2.5 its going to work great, but going to give out sooner or later.

    HVD tops will work great with a single 14650 battery not 7.4v mode. It will handle the loads and keep on going.

    New v2.5 tops will handle the issue and then some. Its designed to run 1 ohm loads so that anyone wanting to run anything thats 1 ohm.

    The Ophos will not run it no matter what. We are thinking of how to approach this and still keep the price of the Ophos as the same. We have a few samples we will test and we shall see.
  23. whyblameus

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    Ok thanks. That spoils my idea lol.
  24. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're welcome. Not to worry, most of my ideas are really bad looking back. Remember, nearly all mutations are fatal, yet mutation is how we got from pond life to sitting in front of computers.....

    Some call that progress you know.

    OF
  25. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

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    So can we expect the pre-order to be up tomorrow for the 3.7v herc?:)

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