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Omicron Vaporizer for oils

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Not quite. At a give voltage lower resistance (less Ohms) means more current therefore more (not less) power. At 3.7 Volts 1.5 Ohms is much hotter than 2.4. The higher resistances are for use above 3.7 Volts.

    Hotter carts (and higher production) should not really effect cart life. They usually foul out if nothing else gets them after several grams, regardless of rate. Higher rates will of course mean less (bigger) hits per fill.

    Sold out of what? Mouthpieces? They're industry standard '510 drip tips' available from 'all the e-cig vendors':
    http://www.madvapes.com/pv-parts/dripper-tips.html
    http://www.smoktek.com/Drip-Tips_c_21.html
    http://www.avidvaper.com/categories/Drip-Tips/510-|-901-Drip-Tips/

    Or do a google search on 'drip tips'.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
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  2. jeedee

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    Yeah I was basically looking for mouth pieces lol. Thanks OF!

    One more question, I'm looking for a filling tool with the gap at the bottom like this:

    PlanetVape has them...but no surprise they're out of stock aswell..

    [​IMG]

    Thanks!
     
  3. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Lucky guess.... You're welcome at any rate, good luck.

    The loading tool is a custom made part from D9, only D9 dealers are going to have it. But fear not, there's a cheap and easy 'work around'. Go to a big store that sells cake decorating equipment (in Kitchen wares usually, sometimes crafts stores). You want the 'number 10 tip' from Wilton:
    http://www.enasco.com/product/WA14088(F)H

    Under a buck, you can order them of course but shipping will be several times the cost......

    You also need a standard round wood toothpick (easy to steal at the local diner....). Poke the toothpick in the inner tube to plug it and keep stuff out and then use the stem of the toothpick to keep the cake tip centered and use the latter as the funnel. I prefer this guy to the factory unit because it's thin brass (plated) and therefore very responsive to heat changes in loading. This is the way we loaded carts in the dark days before the custom loading tool.

    Best wishes,

    OF
     
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  4. lockie

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    Thanks for the responses!
    I used the Black Friday coupon to get a HVD upgrade and 2 x5 3.0 ohm for 6.0v Extract Cartridges. haha I love this time of year, discounts on everything
    Now time for the Hercules... :)
     
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  5. CheeseSandwich

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    Thats exactly why I want it. I wanted a flower only cart solution. I like the 1.5s and 2.4s for oils anyhow.
     
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  6. rcflo

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    Yeah I've noticed it too the past couple months. The LED dims when you push the button with a cart on the unit. Not noticeable at night but during the day, it is. On top of that, i think its a direct relation to the power output of your batteries. The cart is probably getting ample current draw from the cell the whole time (obvi until low battery), it just no longer has that extra fresh charge, LED superglow.

    I've noticed with my AW 14500's, that when freshly charged, the LED dim is nonexistent, compared to a fresh charged 14650 (which shows a tiny bit of dimming off the bat), however the dimming comes around faster on the 14500's due to the slight difference in mAh.

    Also, this does not happen on the stock top, but you can put two and two together and realize why... carts getting regulated 3.7 volts as opposed to pulling everything the batteries got in her with the HVD, leaving the less important LED dim. No effect on cartridge performance.

    So, if anybody could chime in. I would imagine that the LED is regulated in the stock top, but on the same current path as the carts current draw in the HVD, leading to dimming as you pull a heavy load from these small batteries.

    my :2c:
     
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  7. OF

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    Actually I think it is really indicating the falling output voltage. I measured the output voltage under load and found that the IMRs 'hold their voltage up' better, which is why the light doesn't dim as much. If you look close you can see it start out brighter and rapidly dim after a brief rest? That and the different performance of IMRs are both good clues even if you don't have a meter and test rig to make actual measurements.

    FWIW real world 'under load' outputs are lower than you might think.

    I think the 'sag' is real.

    OF
     
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  8. BlueLite

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    Is there a different battery setup that would be better for running 7.4v HVD Omicron? Or are the included little blue ones as good as it gets?

    But don't get me wrong, vapor production is so much faster and more efficient now versus any cart i ever put on anything at 3.7v... this is just my experience though...
     
  9. Bob Loblaw

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    AFAIK those are the best batts. would love to hear otherwise. they have a tendency to burn out faster and more often than the rest so i stock up. probably have at least 10 in the house.
     
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  10. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    guys quick session with the 3.7v Hercules 8 minutes run time. But 2 -3 second pulls and it produces clouds. I was able to handle the Hercules without the heat ever bothering me. No BS no magic Just vapor.

    Will vape about .9 before you need to charge the battery, making it the most efficient one going on the market right now and for a while.

    Now i operated the hercules like a new person using it. Rode the button like no tomorrow with very little regulation.

    Also this is the second video the other one is about 7 minutes, so total time on the herc is 15 minutes, and i was still able to hold it. So heat is not an issue.

     
  11. Krazzykid

    Krazzykid Well-Known Member

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    Hold on G, before you continue to claim to be the most efficient herb vape going on the market you may want to look into the Thermovape Cera. So far it is being reported to run for over 20 minutes being on the whole time and is still going strong. All from a single 18650 cell. Just saying
     
  12. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    hold on Krazzy.

    Our claims still stand.

    We are using a Generic IMR rated around 1000mah but is actually closer to 800mah.

    Now when you take into consideration we are doing a 14650 battery vs the 18650 battery in the model you mentioned and the fact that ours is 800mah vs the 2900mah the claim still stands.

    Now when you bring in the Big Boy Persei and mount a 18650 2900mah battery and run the Herc, your talking about almost 4 times the life as compared to the Omicron.

    So taking conservative measurements of lets say .7 per 14650 battery before it needs to be recharged, and multiplying that by lets say 3.7 times, you get about 2.6 grams vaped on a single charge of a 18650 on the Persei. Now if you want to get into details. From what OF stated the bowl on the said model takes about .15 the same size as the previous model and the new model is only 500% better on battery life. That would bring the total number to .75 vaped before a recharge is needed.


    Even our 14650 800mah does about .7 - .9 before it needs to be recharged.

    So yes my math how crazy as it seams is correct. The most efficient. Well if you want to get technical the most efficient none glass portable vaporizer. Since the Bender can do almost 2 - 3 grams on a 700mah battery
     
  13. OF

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    Not much of a surprise there, really. Hercules is running like 30 Watts, Cera 12. You'd naturally expect close to three times the run time I'd think?

    The real jaw dropper is the new Vapor Blunt. I didn't have time to check capacity as it takes so very long to exhaust the battery pack (two 18650s). It looks to me like we're talking 10 or 12 sessions of 12 minutes each. Yes, two hours? Even at a modest 1/8 gram a bowl and going full sessions that well over a gram per charge.

    Past some point (probably different for each guy) enough battery is enough and carrying around more makes no sense. I also think being able to swap in a charged battery is a huge plus when lots of sessions are the call. You have to stop to put more goods in it, might as well change the battery at the same 'pit stop' from time to time.

    OF
     
  14. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    The Question is about the Hercules 3.7v for herbs.

    Even at 1/8 of a gram x 12 sessions, your looking at around 1.5 grams vaped vs the 1.9 - 3.0 depending on the battery you use on the Hercules with the Persei.
     
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  15. captinchaos

    captinchaos Im not that bad...

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    thanks for the knowledge rcflo. thanks to everyone here.
     
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  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Understood. I guess I was responding more to the two hours of non stop vaping the VB offers (in response to the 20 plus from Cera observation). Most guys I know get bored and wonder off long before that. Or pass out. Or wonder off and pass out.

    I for one don't spend two hours a day sucking on vapes. Yet.

    OF
     
  17. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    Hey thats the job right?

    Either way the numbers dont lie. Even you cant contest that OF.
     
  18. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Of course not, I like numbers. Always have.

    OF
     
  19. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    So you will not contest as the Hercules being the most efficient? even with the numbers i posted on page 381?
     
  20. shredhead

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    The question actually is when do we get our hands on the 3.7 herc?
     
  21. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    The Herc 3.7v will be ready on Friday for pre orders. I think
     
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  22. VAPORIZER22

    VAPORIZER22 Well-Known Member

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    If you are still looking for them, puffitup has them, but only in 3 packs.
     
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  23. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't questioning that. But since you bring it up what is the definition of efficiency? Hours per charge? Grams per charge? Grams per Watt? Just what is the claim, while I wasn't paying attention before, I am now, I swear. So please:
    What is the definition of efficiency and what is the claim for Hercules? Then I might have something reasonably intelligent to say??

    If it's the 'numbers' claim from page 381 as you stated it:
    "Will vape about .9 before you need to charge the battery, making it the most efficient one going on the market right now and for a while."

    I think I've already named a unit that vapes more per charge? Perhaps as much as half again as much.

    TIA

    OF
     
  24. Krazzykid

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    Well since your claim was "Will vape about .9 before you need to charge the battery, making it the most efficient one going on the market right now and for a while", I would say with out more info I can't agree with you.
    You didn't say the most efficient for the battery size.
    And what determines efficiency? For the vape scene efficiency means a lot of things, such as vapor absorption, vapor rate, amount used, etc. Simply going through herb at a rate faster than the body can uptake isn't efficient, not saying that is the case here. Although you do seem to be exhaling some large clouds, that doesn't necessarily mean most efficient.

    My point being that if you claim to be the "most efficient on the market right now and for a while" you had better have some really hard evidence to back that claim up!
     
  25. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

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    Looks great to me!! Very pleased that I opted to not get the 7.4v herc and waited for the 3.7v
    Anyone know what kind of shipping times to expect from Delta9 to eastern canada? I usually order from planetvape but they are sadly not offering pre-order on the 3.7v herc cart :huh:
     

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