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Omicron Vaporizer for oils

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. THC SCIENTIFIC

    THC SCIENTIFIC Black Gold Manufacturer

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    There is no way to rate a vaporizer as most efficient in absorption, as each persons lung capacity is different and can absorb at a different rate. No vaporizer can claim that it can make your lungs absorb the most efficient unless its custom designed for your needs. There is just no way to make this claim.

    Efficiency in vapor rate? Can you please better explain to me how what this means as im trying to figure out what it is your trying to say with this one. You are talking about vapor production as in how fast it can produce vapor?

    Some people are cloud chasers and some people are not. Having a vaporizer that can deliver a large cloud or as small as needed or as much as needed is the ideal picture, but having a vaporizer that can only deliver small wisps or very thin vapor then that vaporizer has limits.

    As for amount used to produce vapor, there is science involved in that a little bit but at the most it has to do with vaporizable content. It has to do with the temperature drops when cold air is introduced into the air stream. Example is Thc Vaporizes somewhere around 380-400, well lets say you have your temp at 390 when no cold air is introduced if constant 390 is achieved then the vapor production will be greater then lets say a vaporizer that starts at 390 but as more you pull the cooler it gets and less vapor is produced. This brings me to the point of the amount of vapor produced per load is based on how hard you ride the button to keep the temperature in the ideal range. There are vaporizers that can produce massive amounts of vapor on a .15 load because they keep the temperature steady even when cold air is introduced into the air path. The amount of vapor produced will be also depended on the vaporizable content like i said. One can only claim that the temperature never drops due to cold air being introduced into the air path. It can be efficient in keeping the ideal temperatures but thats about it.


    Now when you go into efficiency all these have to be taken into consideration but they are not big players. How efficient is the heater? How efficient is the battery? That is what makes or breaks a vaporizer. If a vaporizer can not vaporize, or can not constantly provide vapor even if cold air is introduced into the air path, and can not vaporize more then lets say .5 without it needing a charge then its not efficient at all.

    Now when you look at the numbers you will see that not only Does the Hercules 3.7v vaporize more herbs per charge, not only does it keep producing vapor even if cold air is introduced into the air path, not only does it provide with as little or as much as possible with the given heater, I would say it is most efficient.

    Because

    You can get .7-.9 per charge.
    You can regulate the vapor production with the button.
    Vapor production stays the same even cold air is introduced


    Now when you take all three and you have other models to compare it with, and the other models do 2 out of the 3 but can not match lets say the battery efficiency then you have a clear choice.

    Sorry for the rambling but this is my understanding and i might be wrong, but it has gotten the job done so far.
  2. OF

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    OK. Let's take the case of the new Vapor Blunt?

    You can do more than .9 per charge
    You regulate production with the button (in this case it's even regulated for you)
    The temperature (vapor production) stays constant automatically since it's regulated (closed loop).

    So, by these measures, it looks like VB has Hercules beat 3 out of 3 times?

    OF
  3. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    Hold on there, not so fast OF, we are talking about the Hercules with the Omicron yes, but if we are talking about the Hercules 3.7v with the Persei 18650 Lets say a 2900mah or a 3400mah battery then no.

    Even given the fact the Omicron with The Hercules, it might not be head to head with the unit you mentioned, but it is if you compensate the battery life. How long will the said unit work with a 800mah battery?

    The Hercules stays constant, and you can regulate the vapor production not automatic but it still can be done. As for herbs vaped 1 x 18650 vs 2 x 18650 and Wouldnt you say its more efficient?

    1 x 18650 vapes around 1.9-3.0 grams

    Compared to

    2 x 18650 vaping around from your numbers to .15 x 112 sessions = 1.8 grams.
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    NOW CUT THAT OUT!!

    I asked you to name the conditions, you did and laid down the challenge. I met it so you moved the GD goal posts????

    That's just not playing straight IMO. Make any claims you want then.........

    It may be a great product and all but I have no stomach for marketing BS like that. You win, I don't want to play your game any more, thanks very much.

    OF
  5. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    no ones changing anything. As i said when compared to the Omicron without compensating for the battery life then yes. But if you do compensate then no.

    I have never made claims i dont back up. As for what it can do, all my videos posted are done here on my desk with no editing what so ever so you get to see it first hand. Its a simple fact OF and the numbers dont lie no matter how you look at it.
  6. OF

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    Look, you wanted this BS discussion with me, I didn't. I relented, explained why I thought the terms were so important, and asked you to specify them. You did. I responded point by point (beating each) . Then you changed the point and called me wrong. I payed by your rules, you changed the rules and now I don't want to play again.

    Thanks.

    OF
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    You know what im done. Im not even going to do it anymore where a conversation turns into a argument.

    I should have known better then to claim anything hell fuck it, its not efficient at all. I dont care anymore you do what you do best OF and that is help people out. Ill stop claiming things that are true so that no one fights on the forum anymore.
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    Sorry you feel that way, but it's your call.

    OF
  9. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    OF ok lets calm down i still love you, but double check my math tell me if its wrong and i will remove my claim.

    0.1 grams vaped per 100 mah Thats what the Hercules dose on the Omicron using a 14650 battery.

    The two units you said one has a single 18650 at 2900mah.

    .15 times 5 sessions, that would be around .75 for 2900 mah correct?

    so that would be around

    0.1 grams per 386.6 mah.

    Now for the other units.

    .15 times 12 sessions using 2 x 18650 battery my guessing around 2900mah each wired for 3.7v to increase battery life so that would be around 5800mah. This is still a guess as the numbers will be much high or slightly lower.

    thats 1.8 grams for 5800 mah give or take a few.

    So that would mean

    0.1 grams pers 322.2 mah.

    Now lets say they are 3400mah cells.

    this would bring it higher even.

    0.1 grams per 377.7 mah.


    Does it sound about right? I am only asking you if my numbers are correct.

    Are they?
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  10. Fully Melted

    Fully Melted It's OK to enjoy your medicine.

    That it! I'm calling Dr. Phil.
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  11. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    OF forgot to tell you this little fact the Herc 3.7v runs around 8-11.75 watts depending on resistance variation and battery voltage.

    It is 1.7 ohms =/- .2 ohms
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  12. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Please, G, I don't want to do this. Still.

    Thanks.

    OF
  13. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    :peace: My Brothers :peace:
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  14. kittyboy

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    can u use the persei 7.4 herc with a 3.7 battery or do u have to buy the other herc too>?
  15. OF

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    Here's a tip for your consideration: Next time you're ordering Vapor Genie stuff (which you should IMO) get a few replacement stems in 1/4 size:
    http://www.vaporgenie.com/products/replacement-parts/new-style-spare-mouthpieces-details

    Then slice off the rubber MP near the top so you remove the short restriction at the end and push the VG stem in.

    Much more pleasant to use and since the opening in the end isn't round you don't get 'lip lock' of that little hole if your aim is not so good.

    I tried lots of drip tips, but kept coming back to the factory rubber one. IMO this is a much better one, you don't have to 'pucker up' to get a good seal. Think about it, traditional pipe stems are not spatulated just so you can chew on them, your mouth is built that way. Clarinet and oboe MPs are spatulated, tubas and trumpets use round ones.....

    Round ones are just cheaper to make. But at two for a buck for these very nice ones (since VG 'bit the bullet' on tooling costs there's no further labor and a trivial polycarbonate ('bullet proof glass') material cost), cheaper has a different connection here I think? Postage is the biggest expense, really.

    Anyway, an easy, cheap, useful and kinda fun mod for your consideration?

    OF
  16. Bob Loblaw

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    1/4 in. or 3/16 in.?
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    1/4 size. Just before the link above. Guess I should have been clearer.

    3/16 works but it's a bit loose, adds a bit more draw restriction and is less forgiving of being 'tilted' relative to your lips (It's flatter than the other). And it too has a small hole you can easily plug with your upper lip on an off center toke, even easier than the factory rubber tip.

    3/16 works great with Iolite, however, but that's another story.

    Lots of experimenting going on you know........

    OF
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    This is when this patient gets a little confused :huh: ~ if the Hercules operates @ 8-11.75

    watts ,why won't the O-PHOS do the job :\
  19. THC SCIENTIFIC

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    sorry i missed your pm. I just remembered it when you asked this question. The Ophos internals just cant handle the duration of the power consumption, it will fry out.
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  20. whyblameus

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    Can I have some info on the 1701's?
    I couldnt find anything except there fixing leaking issues people had with pure gold in the og carts.

    Im wondering if they are gonna hit better also for people using thicker oils and waxes?
    Cause I didnt like the original carts I felt I had to cook the oil to much to get it runny enough to be wicked into the heating coil to be vaporized. And I had to draw for atleast 30 seconds to get a ok hit. That was using a 2.4 ohm cart at 4.6-4.8 volts.
    I felt the slots were the wicks come through should be larger to allow oil in to be vaporized easier. This doesnt sound good for leaking issues with pg though.

    Im not really interested in the Hercules cart right now cause im looking for a small effecient vape I can load and go for hours and not have to change batteries. Something I can easily sneek into clubs and concerts, which a 7.4 volt device and Hercules cart with extra oil carts aren't gonna fit in my shoes lol. It would be cool to show off to friends and get huge hits at home but I can do that with my ti nail.

    I have a cart I found to work pretty good but im always trying to find better.
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    the 1701's are not out yet, we have many projects on the burner and think that the 1701's would best fit your need, just need a little time to complete as we are trying to fix a issue that no one has been able to.
  22. stray201

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    2 questions if I could, sir.

    First, I just got the blinking blue light of doom on my Omi, which I am told I solve by getting in touch with "support". I'm in Canada and ordered it from PlanetVape not too long ago, I was wondering if I should contact them about it or go through support on your site?

    Second, regarding the 1701s, are they far enough away that a fellow who likes to use his Omi nightly and has already put 2 grams through his sole working cartridge would be ill-advised to wait for them?

    Cheers brotha.
  23. kittyboy

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    G I wondering if you can use 7.4 Herc on 3.7 batteries or do u have to buy both?
  24. OF

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    While this wasn't addressed to me, are you talking about 3 quick flashes when you push the button? That's the signal for a shorted output. Does it do it without your "sole working cartridge"? If not, sounds like time for a new cartridge, if so check carefully inside the connector on the unit. Others have reported both junk in there and the contact moving to one side causing this. It might be 'easy to fix at home'?

    Good luck.

    OF
  25. mmenzie

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    hello i have a question about the Hercules carts....... is there one that will work on the either the Omicron v2 or the HVD?? i was thinking about picking up a used omicron v2 & HVD setup but i would like to be able to do dry herbs as well. i know there is a Hercules cart that is for dry herb, and one that is for dry herb and oil but the D9 sites says it's only for the Persei. this forum USUALLY has more up to date info than even the website sometimes so i figured i would come here and ask. I am not even going to consider the purchase if there is no HERCULES cart that will work for the set

    thanks in advance

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