Omicron Vaporizer for oils

The Question is about the Hercules 3.7v for herbs.

Even at 1/8 of a gram x 12 sessions, your looking at around 1.5 grams vaped vs the 1.9 - 3.0 depending on the battery you use on the Hercules with the Persei.

thanks for the knowledge rcflo. thanks to everyone here.

Understood. I guess I was responding more to the two hours of non stop vaping the VB offers (in response to the 20 plus from Cera observation). Most guys I know get bored and wonder off long before that. Or pass out. Or wonder off and pass out.

I for one don't spend two hours a day sucking on vapes. Yet.

OF

Hey thats the job right?

Either way the numbers dont lie. Even you cant contest that OF.

Of course not, I like numbers. Always have.

OF

So you will not contest as the Hercules being the most efficient? even with the numbers i posted on page 381?

The question actually is when do we get our hands on the 3.7 herc?

The Herc 3.7v will be ready on Friday for pre orders. I think

If you are still looking for them, puffitup has them, but only in 3 packs.

I wasn't questioning that. But since you bring it up what is the definition of efficiency? Hours per charge? Grams per charge? Grams per Watt? Just what is the claim, while I wasn't paying attention before, I am now, I swear. So please:
What is the definition of efficiency and what is the claim for Hercules? Then I might have something reasonably intelligent to say??

If it's the 'numbers' claim from page 381 as you stated it:
"Will vape about .9 before you need to charge the battery, making it the most efficient one going on the market right now and for a while."

I think I've already named a unit that vapes more per charge? Perhaps as much as half again as much.

TIA

OF

Well since your claim was "Will vape about .9 before you need to charge the battery, making it the most efficient one going on the market right now and for a while", I would say with out more info I can't agree with you.
You didn't say the most efficient for the battery size.
And what determines efficiency? For the vape scene efficiency means a lot of things, such as vapor absorption, vapor rate, amount used, etc. Simply going through herb at a rate faster than the body can uptake isn't efficient, not saying that is the case here. Although you do seem to be exhaling some large clouds, that doesn't necessarily mean most efficient.

My point being that if you claim to be the "most efficient on the market right now and for a while" you had better have some really hard evidence to back that claim up!

Looks great to me!! Very pleased that I opted to not get the 7.4v herc and waited for the 3.7v
Anyone know what kind of shipping times to expect from Delta9 to eastern canada? I usually order from planetvape but they are sadly not offering pre-order on the 3.7v herc cart

There is no way to rate a vaporizer as most efficient in absorption, as each persons lung capacity is different and can absorb at a different rate. No vaporizer can claim that it can make your lungs absorb the most efficient unless its custom designed for your needs. There is just no way to make this claim.

Efficiency in vapor rate? Can you please better explain to me how what this means as im trying to figure out what it is your trying to say with this one. You are talking about vapor production as in how fast it can produce vapor?

Some people are cloud chasers and some people are not. Having a vaporizer that can deliver a large cloud or as small as needed or as much as needed is the ideal picture, but having a vaporizer that can only deliver small wisps or very thin vapor then that vaporizer has limits.

As for amount used to produce vapor, there is science involved in that a little bit but at the most it has to do with vaporizable content. It has to do with the temperature drops when cold air is introduced into the air stream. Example is Thc Vaporizes somewhere around 380-400, well lets say you have your temp at 390 when no cold air is introduced if constant 390 is achieved then the vapor production will be greater then lets say a vaporizer that starts at 390 but as more you pull the cooler it gets and less vapor is produced. This brings me to the point of the amount of vapor produced per load is based on how hard you ride the button to keep the temperature in the ideal range. There are vaporizers that can produce massive amounts of vapor on a .15 load because they keep the temperature steady even when cold air is introduced into the air path. The amount of vapor produced will be also depended on the vaporizable content like i said. One can only claim that the temperature never drops due to cold air being introduced into the air path. It can be efficient in keeping the ideal temperatures but thats about it.


Now when you go into efficiency all these have to be taken into consideration but they are not big players. How efficient is the heater? How efficient is the battery? That is what makes or breaks a vaporizer. If a vaporizer can not vaporize, or can not constantly provide vapor even if cold air is introduced into the air path, and can not vaporize more then lets say .5 without it needing a charge then its not efficient at all.

Now when you look at the numbers you will see that not only Does the Hercules 3.7v vaporize more herbs per charge, not only does it keep producing vapor even if cold air is introduced into the air path, not only does it provide with as little or as much as possible with the given heater, I would say it is most efficient.

Because

You can get .7-.9 per charge.
You can regulate the vapor production with the button.
Vapor production stays the same even cold air is introduced


Now when you take all three and you have other models to compare it with, and the other models do 2 out of the 3 but can not match lets say the battery efficiency then you have a clear choice.

Sorry for the rambling but this is my understanding and i might be wrong, but it has gotten the job done so far.

OK. Let's take the case of the new Vapor Blunt?

You can do more than .9 per charge
You regulate production with the button (in this case it's even regulated for you)
The temperature (vapor production) stays constant automatically since it's regulated (closed loop).

So, by these measures, it looks like VB has Hercules beat 3 out of 3 times?

OF

Hold on there, not so fast OF, we are talking about the Hercules with the Omicron yes, but if we are talking about the Hercules 3.7v with the Persei 18650 Lets say a 2900mah or a 3400mah battery then no.

Even given the fact the Omicron with The Hercules, it might not be head to head with the unit you mentioned, but it is if you compensate the battery life. How long will the said unit work with a 800mah battery?

The Hercules stays constant, and you can regulate the vapor production not automatic but it still can be done. As for herbs vaped 1 x 18650 vs 2 x 18650 and Wouldnt you say its more efficient?

1 x 18650 vapes around 1.9-3.0 grams

Compared to

2 x 18650 vaping around from your numbers to .15 x 112 sessions = 1.8 grams.

NOW CUT THAT OUT!!

I asked you to name the conditions, you did and laid down the challenge. I met it so you moved the GD goal posts????

That's just not playing straight IMO. Make any claims you want then.........

It may be a great product and all but I have no stomach for marketing BS like that. You win, I don't want to play your game any more, thanks very much.

OF

no ones changing anything. As i said when compared to the Omicron without compensating for the battery life then yes. But if you do compensate then no.

I have never made claims i dont back up. As for what it can do, all my videos posted are done here on my desk with no editing what so ever so you get to see it first hand. Its a simple fact OF and the numbers dont lie no matter how you look at it.

Look, you wanted this BS discussion with me, I didn't. I relented, explained why I thought the terms were so important, and asked you to specify them. You did. I responded point by point (beating each) . Then you changed the point and called me wrong. I payed by your rules, you changed the rules and now I don't want to play again.

Thanks.

OF

You know what im done. Im not even going to do it anymore where a conversation turns into a argument.

I should have known better then to claim anything hell fuck it, its not efficient at all. I dont care anymore you do what you do best OF and that is help people out. Ill stop claiming things that are true so that no one fights on the forum anymore.

Sorry you feel that way, but it's your call.

OF

OF ok lets calm down i still love you, but double check my math tell me if its wrong and i will remove my claim.

0.1 grams vaped per 100 mah Thats what the Hercules dose on the Omicron using a 14650 battery.

The two units you said one has a single 18650 at 2900mah.

.15 times 5 sessions, that would be around .75 for 2900 mah correct?

so that would be around

0.1 grams per 386.6 mah.

Now for the other units.

.15 times 12 sessions using 2 x 18650 battery my guessing around 2900mah each wired for 3.7v to increase battery life so that would be around 5800mah. This is still a guess as the numbers will be much high or slightly lower.

thats 1.8 grams for 5800 mah give or take a few.

So that would mean

0.1 grams pers 322.2 mah.

Now lets say they are 3400mah cells.

this would bring it higher even.

0.1 grams per 377.7 mah.


Does it sound about right? I am only asking you if my numbers are correct.

Are they?

That it! I'm calling Dr. Phil.

OF forgot to tell you this little fact the Herc 3.7v runs around 8-11.75 watts depending on resistance variation and battery voltage.

It is 1.7 ohms =/- .2 ohms

Please, G, I don't want to do this. Still.

Thanks.

OF

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