Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Sep 16, 2011.
Right on, cannot wait to send it in when they are ready.
I just want to thank everyone in this forum for all the knowledge and insight on this vape pen. I was a little hesitate to purchase one but after using my friends and much reading on here this was the only pen for me. Again thank you and I can't wait to see what the future holds.
2 questions I have though. I have the V2 and was wondering if it was worth it to upgrade to the V2.5 head? And if so what are the advantages? Also (well three questions I guess) what is the HVD and what's the advantages to it?
First off, you're definitely welcome. And welcome to the forum, please don't be shy with your questions, observations or opinions? And congratulations, you made a good choice.
My advice is to keep using the V2 with 2.4 Ohm carts until you master the system. Then you can make an informed decision about the higher output options (but harder to control) are for you. If so, upgrade to V 2.5 or HVD might be in order. Plenty of time to decide later as I see it. V2 and 2.4 does a great job for lots of us.
Hi Bob, and welcome. I think (and I will rely on OF to correct me) that all recently sold Omicrons are v2.5 (3.7 volts). The HVD is a top that is rated for up to 7.4 volts. You attain this by using a different bottom and 2 short 3.7 volt batteries (IMR 14350). The HVD allows you to use higher Ohm carts which, when run at 7.4 volts, deliver more power. Combined with the upcoming power adapter (to plug into the wall) the HVD will (hopefully) allow using the Hercules 7.4v cart (not out yet). That won't be known for sure until the PA comes out.
Definitely start with 2.4 Ohm carts, what helped me the most was a tip I found in this forum. Making a mouthpiece by cutting off the tip of one of the rubber mouth pieces that comes with the carts and adding a 3 inch clear tube (MFLB stem in my case). I still use it unless I am out and about. Seeing the vapor coming up cues you on how to inhale. I find if I inhale really slowly and "from the diaphragm" I get pretty thick vapor in the tube. If I suck too hard the vapor falls off and too soft and it sort of sits still in the tube.
Thanks for explaining my last questions. Sounds like I can hold off from buying the HVD for a little bit since the 1.5 and 2.4 cart due me just fine. I bought my Omicron on last Friday off Delta 9 website and received it yesterday (thank you for the fast shipping). So would that mean I may have the v2.5 top? If so how can I tell?
Also I have questions about the batteries and charger. When I charge my batteries they get really warm, almost hot. Is this normal? Is it better to charge them one at a time or both together?
there is a $10.00 price difference between the 2.0 and the 2.5. so that might be able a way to tell. look at your receipt
It's normal, but not really good for them. The charger is really more powerful ('faster') than normally recommended for such small guys since it's sized to cover much larger cells used in other places (like Persei). Keep them as cool as you can, meaning start cold and do both together so the current shares for most of the time.
If you use it a lot, you might consider getting a charger for the smaller capacity guys, something closer to 250 or 300 mA? Doing so will add cycle life to the battery. Charging (or using) them hot will cut their lifespan giving shorter service between charges and earlier replacement.
Hey G, any way we can trade in the chrome hvd for a colored one? ill pay the difference if there is one?
Also will we see a voltage drop when using it at 3.7? Similar to the v2.5? Or will these be un regulated...i know they do 7.2 just concerned about the voltage drop at 3.7, thanks soflo
Hello again, you're welcome, glad to help when possible.
In a broad sense, I seriously doubt it. You bought a V2 not 2.5. Since nobody else seems to have an opinion on the topic, here's mine. First clue is does it have a serial number on the head matched to the serial number on the tube made for V2? If so, that must be the original head. My two V2.5s have no serial numbers since they were not part of a set and the buttons 'land' randomly relative to the name on the tube below. The sets came as sets with V2 heads.
You can see one of the physical changes on the top. The old style had the aluminum top flat up to the inset cut for the socket. You can't get your fingernail between the socket and the metal of the top. V2.5 has a gap there to catch leaks, it makes a trench around the socket about 1/3 the width of the aluminum part and about that deep (say as wide as the wire in a paper clip). Again, V2 has no gap here.
if he just bought it last friday.... wouldn't he still have a receipt?? when i look at the D9 website i see there is a $10.00 increase in price for the 2.5 as opposed to the 2.0. so why is that not a good way to know which he received??
Sure. I also assumed since he'd just ordered it and in his first post said he'd bought V2 his question was more along the lines of 'did they automatically upgrade it since it's new?'. I could be off. One thing sure, between the two of us we've given him several ways go. IMO the most reliable is finding the concentrate catch ring, but that's also hardest to describe with certainty.
FWIW I'm not at all sure what difference it makes, past bragging rights, until you break the old style socket in a V2 in which case the free replacement might be V2.5. Not a big deal to the OP either way as I see it.
If using the too-powerful charger can shave life off the battery, does that mean if you're using the unregulated top, which puts out more power when there is a higher charge, the max-charged voltage is smaller than it could be? (especially using the tiny batts)
I guess the V2 package doesn't really have a better charging setup, unless you buy a different charger and fresh batteries.
Dumb Question - is there any downside in using the Omnicron HVD with a single battery (shorty) configuration vs just a regular V2.5? Battery life perhaps? and if so - can someone quantify?
battery life is horrible. so horrible that i never used it again after 1 use
Helpful thanks - How do you find the 7.4v HVD battery life vs a basic omicron v2.5
I really like the form factor of the short - anyone experiment with a 1600 mah battery?
You get that "Full charge hit" for the first 2 hits maybe, then it declines from there. Maybe keep 6 in your pocket. Personally the Omicron was stealth enough that I didnt need the HVD. Shit, Now im just out with a full sized Persei and I still feel stealth as hell. Except those huge clouds that are a clear giveaway.
Hmm - so just 2 proper hits even when using 2 batteries with the HVD, not going to work for me... How much life were u getting with your V2 pre-HVD?
So why do these HVD's look SO much nicer then the replacements? is this HVD v3?
If so can we send in on some sort of trade in week?
We do not stop improving our units, with each production run we change something to make it better. As we progress we learn, as we get feedback we adjust, there simply is no perfect unit. We designed the Omicron and Persei line to be modular for this reason, what this means is we can provide a kick ass warranty and the customer will never have to buy a brand new vape every year.
With this new style we have upgraded the internal circuitry, the threading is now built in and added indication lights.
Red light is short circuit
Purple light = Battery requires charge
Blue = Power On
With this said we will not be having any upgrades to these units. We will incorporate these new upgrades in replacement parts only.
IMHO, This is a poor estimate. I will say that with a 1.5 ohm cart, the 14250 battery doesn't last long, but much longer than 2 draws! I carry the mini at work, full size everywhere else. The mini does the job, just not for too long.....but wait.....that's why we can put a fresh battery in(with the size of these you should be able to carry a few!) The HVD setup is an accessory, a luxury option, if you will, such as leather seats in a vehicle. I don't know about you, but I like having many options to chose from.
So do the replacement HVD tops already have some of the circuitry changes?
My replacement top will sometimes change from blinking blue to blinking purple if I press the button while screwing in the endcap. It doesn't go red for a short - I tried. And I've never seen the purple flashing except when first "booting" and with the top in "locked" mode (Hey, mine doesn't always come up locked - probably 2 or 3 times out of 2 dozen, it won't need the "5 click unlock"). I suspect, but am not sure, these things may happen when I fumble a bit and make and break the circuit a couple times while threading the end!?
cross post from Persei thread:
I'm torn between getting the v2.5 vs the Persei - I plan on using this as my "active" vape
So primarily snowboarding and mountain biking.
The v2.5 is appealing due to the smaller form factor which is obviously a big deal for me, but I am concerned about cartridge reliability (flying to chase powder for 3-4 nights and having a cartridge fail on me due to burnout). My other concern is if I will find the vapor satisfying on a stock v2.4 cartridge, I know that I can always step up to 1.5ohm but given this will be getting passed amongst my buddies I think it makes sense to stick to a "safe" cartridge.
The Persei is obviously a little taller and quite a bit thicker, so not quite as pocketable for snowboarding - However I know vapor quality won't be an issue and from what I understand the Hercules cartridge should address burnout/reliability issues...
The new circuitry is coming in the next 2 weeks, It is incorporated in the new Color Minicrons and the Omicron color versions. The Black and silver versions will get it after we are done with the current stock.
Now please remember that residual memory when replacing a battery. Follow these steps and your unit will always be in the off position.
Take top off, press button to get rid of any residual energy left, replace battery and it will go into lock position. If you replace a battery within a few seconds there is a change the top will remember its position, due to it having a capacitor.
Fortunately, none of that - I'm sure it works fine, locking when it should.
Rather, when I put a battery in, sometimes it flashes purple or red instead of blue!
In trying for just a couple minutes, with a mini tube + HVD, I can consistently get the boot flashes to come in red/purple by tapping the endcap in place without screwing it in. To me, this make clear that there are either two LEDs inside or one with two colors (unlikely since they are more expensive). More to the point, why would it ever do this??
It works just fine all the time (so far) . I'm just puzzled about the LED color, AND you mentioned using two colors (assuming you make purple from red+blue like many ecig batteries) in the future.
BTW: Did everyone else notice the "Minicron" - I'm guessing this was the "Centauri" which we've previously seen pictures of (in gold ).
I just figured he meant the shorty tube that came with the HVD top.
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