Vitolo
Vaporist
3 to 5 days
Discontinued Omicron Vaporizer for oils
- Thread starter THC SCIENTIFIC
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3 to 5 days
OF
Well-Known Member
Hello again. Thanks for setting it straight, sometimes spelling gets in the way of clear communication and you sounded like you wanted to talk details. Still do I guess?
Yes, the power is split between inside and outside, half and half. There's a bunch of abstract science that says things like 'heat added to the outside means less heat needed inside'. It can also change the heat up profile 'done right'. G said a while back that it (the ratio and placement) were in the end product of lots of testing. Against 'all levels' of concentrate no less. Guaranteed to be a compromise at best for any of them, really, except perhaps for some ideal it's all balanced against. The standard cart is too hot to make PG work in many people's minds (what's left of mine included there) and the serious shatter guys are forced into higher power set ups to just get in the game.
A 'can't be all things to all people' thing?
My take is most guys regulate their technique in response to the goods they use. Not ideal, but most guys find a solution that fits their needs if they take it slowly and carefully enough.....and remain willing to burn a bit of oil or make a couple of leakers out of otherwise good carts in the process.
Perhaps one of the new carts will change all that for us?
Anyway, I'm glad you found a product that suits your needs. While it looks interesting, the materials questions at the higher temperature oil vaping needs would prevent my trying them. Then again, I'm happy with Omicron carts, so what do I know? Just looking at it it seems to me like some of my favorite waxes would not work at all well in that some would no doubt end up stuck in the wick a ways up. Thus causing the sort of airlock feed block that can happen with Omicron but without the air part.
OF
shredhead
Specialist
Been keeping quiet due to a cloud (roommates) and a UD foggin things up every night. But i gotta say, my omi carts are fuckin awesome! In 3 weeks i would normally use about 3-4 grams of concentrate, but I've only used 1.5 grams in the past 3 weeks! Mostly because i don't use my oil for pure dabbing anymore, but thats because these carts are so awesome. Just had to pop in and say, I'm still happy with D9 and when the fuck are the new carts comin!!
OF
Well-Known Member
, I'm still happy with D9 and when the fuck are the new carts comin!!
HEY! Line forms to the rear.......
G and D9 have a lot of balls in the air right now, I hope none gets dropped.
OF
MaxVapor
The Professor
Anti-grav balls?
I saw that the HVD upgrade for the Omicron Matte Black is back so I'm just making sure, is the Hercules for the 7.4 going to work with both herbs and oils? I know you guys have the 3.7 Hercules for just herb but I'd prefer to have both haha. I read back a couple pages and saw some stuff about Persei but nothing too definitive..could be just me being baked and overlooking some things 
Oh, btw, I've tried to melt down the Amber Glass I was talking about on my oven for ~25 minutes at 150 degrees as well as a hair drier on low setting for at least 10 minutes then proceeded to use my lighter to attempt to melt it down more. I stopped to check the heating element between all three things and it is still glowing and getting hot when I press the button. I've attempted to inhale each time but there is still no vapor at all so I'm pretty convinced that the Amber Glass does not work with Omicron 3.7. Time to move back to the trusty waxes and oils, thanks for the efforts to help!
Oh, btw, I've tried to melt down the Amber Glass I was talking about on my oven for ~25 minutes at 150 degrees as well as a hair drier on low setting for at least 10 minutes then proceeded to use my lighter to attempt to melt it down more. I stopped to check the heating element between all three things and it is still glowing and getting hot when I press the button. I've attempted to inhale each time but there is still no vapor at all so I'm pretty convinced that the Amber Glass does not work with Omicron 3.7. Time to move back to the trusty waxes and oils, thanks for the efforts to help!
jpdnkstr
Well-Known Member
If you can see the glow, the cart is empty, or close to it.I saw that the HVD upgrade for the Omicron Matte Black is back so I'm just making sure, is the Hercules for the 7.4 going to work with both herbs and oils? I know you guys have the 3.7 Hercules for just herb but I'd prefer to have both haha. I read back a couple pages and saw some stuff about Persei but nothing too definitive..could be just me being baked and overlooking some things
Oh, btw, I've tried to melt down the Amber Glass I was talking about on my oven for ~25 minutes at 150 degrees as well as a hair drier on low setting for at least 10 minutes then proceeded to use my lighter to attempt to melt it down more. I stopped to check the heating element between all three things and it is still glowing and getting hot when I press the button. I've attempted to inhale each time but there is still no vapor at all so I'm pretty convinced that the Amber Glass does not work with Omicron 3.7. Time to move back to the trusty waxes and oils, thanks for the efforts to help!
OF
Well-Known Member
Yes the Hercules 7.4 is supposed to do both, however, and this is a big however, last I heard the Omicron platform doesn't have enough power for the job. You need Persei. Best check that part carefully before ordering a Omicron HVD expecting that.....
Good luck.
I don't think this is an accurate statement at a couple of levels. First off, you can be full but poorly primed. And most concentrates very quickly cover it up with deposits, I don't recall guys reporting ever seeing it later on. For sure similar situations, like the floor of Revolution/DART do this. A fraction of a gram of use and it's basically opaque.
I'd never make the logical rework of the statement to 'if you can't see the glow the cart's not empty'. That is using the glow like the 'gas running low' light on your car won't work.
One thing sure, looking at it run (if you can see it) isn't doing it any good and is to be avoided.
OF
tharealmclovin
Well-Known Member
Be careful about running that cart too low. That's alot of power you got there
OF
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't say that. You've more than doubled the power. You should be running about 15 Watts now, not the less than six before. If you were doing that on a Persei or Omicron it's going to be an even bigger jump of course (but not by a lot hopefully).
That much power can easily get you burnt oil or leaks (or both) for your troubles. This is a much bigger jump than running 1.5 Ohm carts at 3.7 Volts for instance (9 there) and guys regularly get in trouble that way. And you're 66% hotter.
Fill level really has little or even nothing to do with it.
Tread carefully would be my advice.
OF
shredhead
Specialist
Hmm ok. I tend to only hit for 4-6 seconds and only have 2 hits in a row usually. But I understand the precautions. Should I use a 5 ohm cart with this set up maybe?
edit: looked at the cart chart and see my own solution. Im sure my lhs has some higher ohm carts because they carry the persei.
edit: looked at the cart chart and see my own solution. Im sure my lhs has some higher ohm carts because they carry the persei.
jpdnkstr
Well-Known Member
Oops! I don't look for the glow at all per OF's guidance, I wasn't thinking about it not being primed, I had assumed (and we all know what that does! ) that the cart was producing vapor at some point. Sorry for the misdirection.... the shatter should work, if loaded properly and you're patient.
MaxVapor
The Professor
I saw that the HVD upgrade for the Omicron Matte Black is back so I'm just making sure, is the Hercules for the 7.4 going to work with both herbs and oils? I know you guys have the 3.7 Hercules for just herb but I'd prefer to have both haha. I read back a couple pages and saw some stuff about Persei but nothing too definitive..could be just me being baked and overlooking some things
I believe OF is right, the Omicron with HVD won't handle the 7.4 hercules because the smaller batteries won't get it hot enough, long enough. With the Persei the 7.4 hercules can vape herbs, and oils, but not at the same time. Due to the different temps required, by the time you are hot enough to vape the oil you have combusted the herb (that's my understanding at least). You can vape herb by itself by feathering the button to control temp. Not much is known about the 3.7 hercules, so not sure what it will do, but Gary has said it will work with the Omicron for herb. I don't believe this will require the HVD though as it's 3.7v (unclear on that).
When the power adapter comes out for the Omi, you may be able to then use the HVD top and hercules 7.4 cart. But only time will tell.
shredhead
Specialist
Okay so after some testing under 6v-
1st cart is hitting strong on 3.7 and 6 no problems
2nd cart isn't vaping properly, even on 3.7, I tried to get out air bubbles and such but it is still vaping weak. Maybe only one heater is firing? the cart is getting hot no doubt. just almost zero vapor under 3.7 and wispy on 6v. i dont think using it under 6v made it fail becuase it didnt want to work in the first place. Im thinkin about isoing and reclaiming what i can.
1st cart is hitting strong on 3.7 and 6 no problems
2nd cart isn't vaping properly, even on 3.7, I tried to get out air bubbles and such but it is still vaping weak. Maybe only one heater is firing? the cart is getting hot no doubt. just almost zero vapor under 3.7 and wispy on 6v. i dont think using it under 6v made it fail becuase it didnt want to work in the first place. Im thinkin about isoing and reclaiming what i can.
OF
Well-Known Member
Yes, I agree, it's most likely toast. The heater is apparently there in that it does produce some vapor, the problem seems to be feed. For whatever reason it wasn't working well at 3.7 Volts, bumping it up to 6 made it worse. I suspect what little oil there was present is cooked into a hard plug where the wicks enter. Since the wick material is solid, there is now no path for the oil, time to scrap it out.
I've never done ISO reclaims, but I've melted a few out. That leaves .15 to .2 grams inside, most of which you can scrape out after stripping the cart apart. Pry the center of the connector out, cut the wire on it's back and discard. Pull the rubber seal that was around it. Then, though the hole opened up in the bottom push the internals parts (flue, furnace, heaters, wicks, bridge) out with the main seal at the bottom. Just like it was a piston (which it is I guess). I use a bamboo skewer, but coat hanger wire works well too. You can then pick the residual out and inspect the works to see what happened.
OF
I just want to throw an idea out, here.
I have been out on the east coast with my Omicron V2, and it is way cold here. It seems the cold makes it not only harder to prime, but also drain batteries extra. Would some kind of sleeve around the omicron body and cart insulate it and remedy some of these problems? Like a neoprene beer coozie for my omi...
Also, some kind of closed silicone cap to cover the mouthpiece when I throw it in my pocket... like the silicone mouthpiece, but with shorter with no hole. I hate picking lint out of the mouthpiece.
I have been out on the east coast with my Omicron V2, and it is way cold here. It seems the cold makes it not only harder to prime, but also drain batteries extra. Would some kind of sleeve around the omicron body and cart insulate it and remedy some of these problems? Like a neoprene beer coozie for my omi...
Also, some kind of closed silicone cap to cover the mouthpiece when I throw it in my pocket... like the silicone mouthpiece, but with shorter with no hole. I hate picking lint out of the mouthpiece.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
they make lanyards that are a little loose on the eGo batts that work perfect for a little extra warmth.
OF
Well-Known Member
Great idea, but wrong solution I think. You and I benefit from insulation because we generate heat inside. Insulation slows the loss. Here the vape doesn't produce heat, so it eventually gets just as cold anyway.
Bob's suggestion is great, however. Hang it around your neck, under your coat, and you're good to go. It'll be warm when you need it and handy.
I've got a little plastic cap I use to seal the top, it's the colored vinyl ones often used to cover then ends of tube (where I got it). Before that I used a short piece of bamboo skewer to plug it. I wrapped some tape around the end to give it a handle and keep it from falling in.
Good luck keeping your little friend cozy until you need a toke.
OF
ok guys im back, if you have any questions please pm me. Ill be back to work full time tomorrow.
tharealmclovin
Well-Known Member
Any word on pre orders for the 3.7 herc cart??