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DMT Vaporization

Discussion in 'Vaporizables' started by Costanza, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. Purpl3_Haz3

    Purpl3_Haz3 On a Permanent Vakation

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    @Seek, thanks for your reply! You seem to have a decent amount of knowledge on the subject/good tips. Nice thinking on the using the cloud inverted VS upright, and having a spotter to grab/hold the cloud/piece, among your other advice!
     
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  2. partially veiled

    partially veiled Lo Boob Oscillator

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    I will try to keep this short since it’s more than a bit off-topic...but...regarding the Cloud and vaporizing DMT: don’t do it. Will it work? Yes, it likely will work using the steel wool method Seek has described above. Should you do it? Probably not...

    I am not saying don’t vaporize DMT: if that’s what you’re after then go for it. However I would seriously think twice before using a machine as expensive as the Cloud as a launch pad to blast you into hyperspace. I have learned many things from using psychedelics and one lesson is that high powered drugs and expensive toys/tools don’t mix! This is just my own opinion, of course.

    If you absolutely have to do this, do not be silly enough to try it alone. It is dangerous enough to hit a pipe full of DMT by yourself: the rug is pulled out from under your feet so quickly and completely with this drug that anything like an open flame could be potentially dangerous. I wouldn’t want to think about an expensive vaporizer made of hot glass and metal with a glass piece full of water so close to its electrical components...that sounds like a recipe for disaster!

    If you are going to try this regardless of the risks, then take Seek’s advice and ONLY do it with the Cloud inverted and while utilizing a sitter to make sure the Cloud is carefully moved to a safe location once you’ve taken your hit. My personal suggestion would be to just "man up" and take your hit out of a glass vaporizer pipe (AKA a crack pipe) that will cost you about a $1 at most head shops; the taste is bad but it’s not something you’re going to want to do every day anyway and the trip is well worth the small amount of suffering you will need to endure :2c: :peace:
     
  3. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    partially veiled: Yes, with great power comes great responsibility. If one takes ALL the advices in my post (having sitter, dosing right, being mentaly/environmentaly prepared, steel wool, inverted etc... don't underestimate a single one!) it should be prety much safe. Of course there is still great risk, but imo a desktop vape is the best delivery method for this. I wouldn't wish the taste of burnt dimitri to my worst enemy, it's soooo horrible opposed to its sweet vapor. That's why I use EQ inverted + steel wool + bubbler and not flame-powered inexpensive options and would go with Cloud if I had one. My EQ vaped approximately 50 loads of dimitri this way and nothing bad happened to it yet. Of course all of them have been vaped responsively with a sitter. Of course sitter is a MUST everytime above 10+mg!!! Not only to protect expensive pieces. Can't stress this enough...

    Sitter should:
    Take vaping pieces away from you when you're done, preventively holding it whole time for you.
    You must trust him completely. A scumbag sitter is worse than no sitter.
    Be silent while you're on journey and be there for you if anything goes bad.
    MUST know how to calm down bad-tripping person.
    And talk about the experience after, so it doesn't leak out of memory like a dream.

    Don't think just two times before doing it. BE PREPARED, BE WARNED. It's so powerful nobody can 100% handle it. Don't want any disaster or lifelong trauma. Back to the topic - Cloud.
     
  4. Ripbongs420

    Ripbongs420 vapiff

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    I do have a definitive answer on the Cloud question. My friend and I used my Cloud for dmt a couple months ago. I just sandwiched it in between some nug, directly in the elb, inverted of course, worked great. Obviously follow the previously stated safety measures. Beyond that I can say, at least for us, it works. :cheers:

    (we took great pride in being, most likely, the first people to ever use dmt in a Cloud :cool:.)
     
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  5. Frederick McGuire

    Frederick McGuire Aggressively Loungey

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    I've only consumed DMT on a couple of occasions, but when I did, I combusted. I packed about half a cone of herb, put some DMT in there, then packed the rest of the cone. (I notice no-one around here refers to cones, maybe it's an aussie thing, but most of the glass around here uses a metal downstem with a rubber grommet, and instead of a glass slide, it uses one of these. So we don't smoke a bowl, we smoke a cone... [/sidetrack])

    If I was to vape DMT, I'd probably be using my LSV, so what do you guys think would be the best way to go about it?
    I'm mainly curious about the temp I'd need to use, I normally use 12 for herb, so I guess maybe I'd use somewhere around 10-ish.
    I figure I could just put a load of ABV in the LSV WPA, and top it with the DMT powder.
     
  6. Karuna

    Karuna Member

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    What about vaporizing ayahuasca herbal mix (especially Psychotria viridis)? Has anyone tried it?
     
  7. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    Fred: Topping a bed of herb/abv etc with it is not working very well. I've tried it and immediately returned to steel wool. It's harder to vape (as herbs are thermal insulants, steel wool with transfer the vaping heat to it much better), easier to combust(as you go higher with temp to achieve at least something) and one needs more lungfuls to vape it fully, which is also hardly doable with this substance. With steel wool it's 1 huge lungful or 2-3 small ones, that is much easier doable. The temp needed is as low as low temp mj vaping is. Medium/high temps will combust. With modded EQ it's 175°C, but I don't know how how does LSV get at any dial position. Start with lowest and go slowly up until it starts milking. Also with LSV you would need to make a pit in steel mesh for it, i suppose 7th floor vapes have same convection as my EQ so the hottest air is in the center. Also it need to be vaped upside down as with any other vape so nothing falls out.

    LSV:
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    This load is the most effective with convection units with heater inside. I load a bubbler 18mm stemless female joint like this and then insert EQ into it.

    Karuna: You would need to quickly vape like 2 grams of Psychotria to get effects. Also I don't know if it's in trichomes like in weed probably not so I don't know if vape will vaporize anything from raw Psychotria at all.

    Also one more thing. As vaporists are accustomed to hold hits in longer, its not that much needed here. This vapor absorbs fast, after 5 secs of holding a milked hit, there's no visible exhale. But it's not that rapid, hold it for that 5 secs or it gets wasted.
     
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  8. Karuna

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    Steel wool? Inhaled particles of steel & rock wool can be dangerous and can cause cancer, or seriously irritate lungs. It'd recommend using organic cotton balls (the ones that ladies use to clean their faces) — I've used it successfully as a joint filter and it has worked great. I know that we don't want to filter anything here, so you just use it as the picture shows.
     
  9. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    I usually let the chunk of steel wool preheat on the vape with fan on before using it so if it will fume anything when vaping it goes away by then. Some are sterilizing it with some clean flame before using. And if dimitri is not clear white pure, use new steel wool everytime as the impuries are left in there and it will affect taste of following loads. Also I use water filtration that also must purify it somewhat. And use only thick ones, very fine steel woold could be much more of a concern. Anyway thanks for pointing this out, I forgot to advice anything to protect from any steel wool impurities.

    But i would like to see more about this. Does steel wool really produce any fumes/particles when 175°C air is going through. It's not that hot. Doesn't steel wool produce toxic fumes only when burnt? We use steel in vapes at even hotter temps. Well, it's more about the purity of the wool, right?
     
  10. Karuna

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    I think fumes aren't such a problem, but microscopic particles can be. Once they enter your lungs it's very hard to get them out because they penetrate lung tissue and get stuck there like a hook. Rock wool is especially problematic and many workers that don't wear protection do get cancer.
     
  11. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    Well, I wasn't talking about rock wool. Of course use only clean wool that is 100% steel and sterilize it beforehand. Probably I've used a wrong term (English not my first lang). I mean this:
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  12. Karuna

    Karuna Member

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    Cool.
     
  13. SandPaperHandJobs

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    hmm i saw alot of replys but did any one actually TRY using a vape to blast off? I seriously want to try dropping a whole dose of DMT on my Ti nail and try vaping it that way. Has any one tried that?
     
  14. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

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    on this same page someone says they used their cloud with success. With a ti nail I think it would be easy to go past vapor and into combustion where the taste is supposed to be very harsh and plastic like
     
  15. Rollingwood

    Rollingwood New Member

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    Wassup everyone, this is my first post here and i thought id share how i vape dmt (among other things) with an ego battery. If youire already a vaper with some ejuice on hand then youre 90% there already.
    DMT freebase WILL dissolve in propylene glycol (PG). So , what ive done is take 1g. DMT freebase and mix it with 2ml. of my favorite ejuice at the time. and shake it up real good the let it sit until you see its totally dissoolved, maybe a day. Then i like to put it in a "CE4+,CE5" style cartomizer. This, IMHO is the best no-brainer way to do it. The hit control is fantastic and theres no mess once you fill it up. try to get a 2ohm version of the carto if you can. And you can definately "breakthrough" with this method as well.
     
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  16. wonderfox

    wonderfox Well-Known Member

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    Does anybody have any experience vaping changa? I'm very curious as to what that'd be like
     
  17. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    It would be similar to vaping on abv bed. Works, but imo steel sponge hits harder and a vit stronger (there must be some dimitri soaked deep in the plant matter so it doesn't vape 100% like with steel sponge). But you can't stir steel sponge, that's a little minus of this method. Needs eiter a Cloud or well made load in the exact center of the bowl.
     
  18. Bouldorado

    Bouldorado Well-Known Member

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    First and only time smoking/vaping DMT, I did it off a Ti nail. I blasted off, but from what I remember, it didn't taste that great. However, I don't think DMT tastes very good with any method of consumption
     
  19. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    It tastes good if you don't burn it, using hot nail will most probably burn it, it is easy tu burn, you need a vape for this. As I said earlier, it burns already on 180°C. More than 50°C below mj burning temp.

    It doesn't even have the expectorant effect like thc. Vaped thc absorbs slowly and urges to cough. Vaped dmt is very dense cloud (looks like smoke, but isn't), but tastes smooth like sweet organic air (tastes exactly same as it smells, like mj and it's low-temp vapor, there's no high-temp dmt vapor) and no visible exhale as it get ~100% absorbed in 5 seconds. Some people dislike even this taste for some reason like any aroma (i don't I love the taste of both mj and dimitri even when mixed).

    If it's burned, it tastes like caustic burned platic ad there will definitely be visible cloud on exhale no matter how long you hold it (also not easy to hold this foul tasting smoke). I hate the burned dmt taste, it's so terrible I don't wish it to anyone. If properly vaped, it's not even as aggresive as mj vapor, it's like dense cloud of air. But even a tiniest bit of smoke will ruin the taste completely.
     
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  20. tepictoton

    tepictoton Well-Known Member

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    Hey Seek,

    what would you advice to someone owning a solo? Is it possible with the predetermined settings to find the sweet spot? For now I have been using 'the machine' (iron sponges) but am definately interested in other ways to consume it.

    The one who mentioned putting it in ecig juice, could you maybe elaborate on that a bit more?

    see you in fractal land :whoa:
     
  21. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    Never used a Solo, I don't know hot cold/hot it gets, probably the lowest setting would work. Temp shouldn't be higher than 175°C (350°F) but also not too low. I've heard Solo is not convection vape. So I don't know how well it would vape. Andof course design it somehow that it won't melt somewhere you don't want to. Sandwiching it in steel sponge in the bowl, maybe.

    I've made the machine too, it was the first thing to try. It can work, but requires a lot of skill to get decent hits and to not burn it. Most hits were burned so the taste was horrible, only few were done well enough that they tasted well. After trying in my EQ i trashed the machine and will never use anything else than convection vape for it.

    The e-cig juice method sound also interesting. But I'm wonder how easy could be to overdose on that if there's gram disolved in total. That is 50 times a breathrough dose, I can't imagine taking all that at once. Can someone return into this reality after that much?
     
  22. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

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    Ya but an ecig should titrate that dose fairly well. My ego t can milk my bong in one hit. I can get aprox 30 hits off of .1 and thats undiluted concentrate not mixed in a menstrum as the poster suggested.
     
  23. tepictoton

    tepictoton Well-Known Member

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    Puffers, are yu saying just load the chrystals into the cartomizer? would it melt down then? Not sure if i understand you correctly...
     
  24. Bouldorado

    Bouldorado Well-Known Member

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    Ok I definitely burned it then. Caustic plastic taste was a good description. The bubbler we smoked/vaped it out of smelled just plain nasty after maybe 4/5 people talking a hit. If I do it again, I'm definitely using the lsv.
     
  25. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

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    If its a full melt it should theoretically "work". The cartomizer may just combust it though. Tbh this is just educated guesses i have no access to dmt. What i was saying to seek was that if theres 50 doses in a gram it would be unlikely that a cartomizer could be capable of vaporizing it all at once. Particulary if the dmt is in carrier fluid (aka menstrum) such as ejuice. I suppose it could depend on the feed system of the cart though. My best guess would be that some sort of mixture of dmt with ejuice may help lead to less combustion and better taste but maybe harder to break through depending on your mixture and cartomizer. This is all purely speculation though so feel free to disregard :)
     
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