Discontinued VapeXhaleLabs Presents: The Cloud

salutations StoneMonkey and fellow weather watchers, i think the pigeon delivering my order email must have broken a wing or been eaten by a cat or something...

stonemonkey55 said:

I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.

Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more even vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.

Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.

I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.

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Thanks for the in-depth response. I am aware of the differences in heating, but with a little stir I can usually get the browning quite even in my ABV with the LSV, I do see what you are saying about the very dark ABV though.. that is actually something I'm concerned when watching one of your videos it looked like the bud was almost dark dark brown/blackish after just 1 rip from the Cloud, and also it seemed like the darkening of the ABV wasn't very even either (this is the vid I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBdp_xNNKI).

I also can't say I have experience with needing to slow draw on the LSV, I can usually hit it normally without any "drag", though I guess I can't hit it SUPER hard and fast.

I guess my biggest concern is efficiency, I definitely like the way the Cloud functions in comparison to the LSV, but in terms of efficiency I almost feel as though the thick clouds = less efficient ...but of course this is all just based off theorizing and guessing since this thing is so far backordered T.T

Would you say you can use the Cloud to toast bowls slowly? The thing I like about the LSV is my ability to fully control the vaporizing experience.. I can use as little or as much bud as I want, and vaporize it as fast or slow. Considering the Cloud has a similar temperature nob, I'm hoping it can produce similar/better results.

Charge came through! Vape-x!

order #150! whoo-hoo!! now begins the wait...

Greetings,

I talked with my credit card company after they called about a possible fraudulent charge. The charge was for the vape I ordered from Vapexhale. The reason it was flagged was bacause apparently two charges were made. one for $o.oo and the second for the correct amount. The phone person explained that often when it appears in that order, somebody is checking to see if the card will work.
Just offering information.
My charge went through and I am very excited. Thank you stonemonkey 55 and all.

Could someone clarify a few things for me? I have been following diligently since the first page of this thread but with everything happening so fast in the last few days I have gotten a little lost.
-If nothing comess up on our credit card within 3 days is it safe to assume I need to re-order?
-After contacting StoneMonkey regarding my e-mail confirmation to purchase the unit (I assumed mine had bounced back) I received the initial e-mail today. I am confused as to which e-mail link takes precedence.
-For those of us in Canada will shipping be the same or different?

Thanks so much!

for those still deciding here is a vid on both of the tubes. There is a summary at the end of how they perform.

SGV Showerdome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BoYT-n_Z8 or more recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBdp_xNNKI
+ bigger bubbles and more "gluggy"
+ recessed joint
+smaller overall size
+ more durable from a build perspective.

Vertigo Hydratree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnb0awLng_8 or : http://www.youtube.com/user/stonemonkey55#p/u/6/GaKB4QaNNhQ
+ smaller more numerous bubbles
+ more diffusion (i would hazard to guess slightly less taste as a result?)
+ looks cooler (depending on your opinion)
+ more slits

The trees have more slits but the showerdome uses he slits more effectively.

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hopethat helps some. I wish i could order a 2nd tube from the get go! (I want the SGW one as well! )

weedemon said:

SGV Showerdome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BoYT-n_Z8 or more recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBdp_xNNKI
+ bigger bubbles and more "gluggy"
+ recessed joint
+smaller overall size
+ more durable from a build perspective.

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ahhhhh, i thought i read earlier that the sgw hydratube will 'purr' more than 'glug' vs the hydratree, now i read it's the opposite , ahhhhh. gonna watch more vids, thanks for the info, man.....

The vertigo has a ton more room to fill up with ice/snow but technically more glass = more vapor sticking to glass (more glass from it being taller + the tree percs diffused the vapor over much more glass than the showerdoem)

I failed to get my pre-order in before the price bump but I don't think that'll stop me once I see that email

Showerdome

stonemonkey55 said:

pngwyn said:

IAmKrazy2 said:

Or you could ask me, or check out my original VXC Beta review a while back. I owned the LSV back then too.

I'll tell you this; the LSV is not even close in ease of use with a water tool and thickness of vapor hits as the VXC. Night and day. The VXC was designed from the ground up, the LSV (although i think it is one of the best vapes on the market) is just a redesigned housing for the exact same heating element 7th Floor has been using for years. The VXC has a custom heating element that wraps around a glass tube. If you went toke for toke with the VXC, it'd be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

The VHW is better as a wand vape than the LSV also, but i do like the less restricted airflow of the LSV, something few vapes do better (the VXC being one of the few).

*edit. Although you probably won't catch Monkey55 comparing the two, i know he owns a LSV also. He is a vape head like the rest of us, and buys a lot of the toys. If the VXC wasn't leaps and bounds ahead of the competition (including the LSV) i think he'd still be at the drawing board or still working for another quality vaporizer company IMO. With the VHW in house, i almost never use the LSV to be honest, with the VXC in house, the VHW will see no work (sadly) and the LSV only use is from the transfer wand or use to combust with the heating element.

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Thanks for the info, I have only been able to read a couple of reviews and watch a few videos on the cloud but it definitely seems like the new vape to be watching out for on the horizon. I just don't know, there are only a couple of short reveiws on here as well as a few videos.

From what I have seen

I also pulled the trigger on the LSV over the VHW because of the build quality, I haven't heard great things about the VHW's durability.

Also I am really skeptic about VXC producing "better" clouds than the LSV.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoJ0UlaNt8

LSV goes high enough to combust, I don't see why clouds would be significantly different, though I haven't used a VXH/Cloud yet, but from videos I think I have been able to produce similar looking clouds as videos.

Anyways, not hating, like I said I reserved mine, I'm just a little hesitant since this things super hyped up.

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I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.

Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more evenly vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.

Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.

I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.

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I didn't see this whole thing till now...... Just because a vape has high temp., doesn't mean the vapor will be as thick as another vape with the same temp. levels. It is all about how that temp is used, and how if effects the herb. Lighting and other factors can make videos deceptive, fuck videos i am TELLING you, the VXC works a shitload better, hands down. I am not here to deceive you, "Just the facts ma'm"

Here is the key point. Low temp vaporizing no longer has to be wispy. So, you don't have to crank temps to keep things nice and thick, you don't have to find the right way to hit this vape, experiment with draw speed, or adjust the temp on your herb a single time per session, stir the bowl countless times, deal with a middle hot spot (like the LSV has), etc. No learning curve or proper technique needed. Plug it in, take huge clouds. If you are looking for the vape that best compares in vapor thickness the LSV ain't even close. I'd still has the S is closest in vapor thickness; but is far below par on taste and ease of use. The VHW is also thicker than the LSV but as i mentioned earlier not as thick as the VXC or S. The vhw is a pain to use in comparison, less efficient, requires proper technique, bigger bowl pack needed, more stirring, and you're dealing with a restricted vape path.

I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.

Krazy2: I love your posts ! Thanks for more quality info especially in comparison to other vapes. Just makes me drool even more.

IAmKrazy2 said:

stonemonkey55 said:

pngwyn said:

Thanks for the info, I have only been able to read a couple of reviews and watch a few videos on the cloud but it definitely seems like the new vape to be watching out for on the horizon. I just don't know, there are only a couple of short reveiws on here as well as a few videos.

From what I have seen

I also pulled the trigger on the LSV over the VHW because of the build quality, I haven't heard great things about the VHW's durability.

Also I am really skeptic about VXC producing "better" clouds than the LSV.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoJ0UlaNt8

LSV goes high enough to combust, I don't see why clouds would be significantly different, though I haven't used a VXH/Cloud yet, but from videos I think I have been able to produce similar looking clouds as videos.

Anyways, not hating, like I said I reserved mine, I'm just a little hesitant since this things super hyped up.

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I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.

Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more evenly vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.

Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.

I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.

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I didn't see this whole thing till now...... Just because a vape has high temp., doesn't mean the vapor will be as thick as another vape with the same temp. levels. It is all about how that temp is usedd, and how if effects the herb. Lighting and other factors can make videos deceptive, fuck videos i am TELLING you, the VXC works a shitload better, hands down. I am not here to deceive you, "Just the facts ma'm"

Here is the key point. Low temp vaporizing no longer has to be wispy. So, you don't have to crank temps to keep things nice and thick, you dont have to find the right way to hit this vape, experiment with draw speed, or adjust the temp on your herb a single time per session, stir the bowl countless times, deal with a middle hot spot (like the LSV has), ect. No learning curve or proper technique needed. Plug it in, take huge clouds. If you are looking for the vape that best compares in vapor thickness the LSV ain't even close. I'd still has the S is closest in vapor thickness; but is far bellow par on taste and ease of use. The VHW is also thicker then the LSV but as i mentioned earlier not as thick as the VXC or S. the vhw is a pain to use in comparison, less efficient, requires proper technique, bigger bowl pack needed, more stirring, and your dealing with a restricted vape path.

I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.

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IAmKrazy2 said:

stonemonkey55 said:

pngwyn said:

Thanks for the info, I have only been able to read a couple of reviews and watch a few videos on the cloud but it definitely seems like the new vape to be watching out for on the horizon. I just don't know, there are only a couple of short reveiws on here as well as a few videos.

From what I have seen

I also pulled the trigger on the LSV over the VHW because of the build quality, I haven't heard great things about the VHW's durability.

Also I am really skeptic about VXC producing "better" clouds than the LSV.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoJ0UlaNt8

LSV goes high enough to combust, I don't see why clouds would be significantly different, though I haven't used a VXH/Cloud yet, but from videos I think I have been able to produce similar looking clouds as videos.

Anyways, not hating, like I said I reserved mine, I'm just a little hesitant since this things super hyped up.

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I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.

Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more evenly vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.

Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.

I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.

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I didn't see this whole thing till now...... Just because a vape has high temp., doesn't mean the vapor will be as thick as another vape with the same temp. levels. It is all about how that temp is usedd, and how if effects the herb. Lighting and other factors can make videos deceptive, fuck videos i am TELLING you, the VXC works a shitload better, hands down. I am not here to deceive you, "Just the facts ma'm"

Here is the key point. Low temp vaporizing no longer has to be wispy. So, you don't have to crank temps to keep things nice and thick, you dont have to find the right way to hit this vape, experiment with draw speed, or adjust the temp on your herb a single time per session, stir the bowl countless times, deal with a middle hot spot (like the LSV has), ect. No learning curve or proper technique needed. Plug it in, take huge clouds. If you are looking for the vape that best compares in vapor thickness the LSV ain't even close. I'd still has the S is closest in vapor thickness; but is far bellow par on taste and ease of use. The VHW is also thicker then the LSV but as i mentioned earlier not as thick as the VXC or S. the vhw is a pain to use in comparison, less efficient, requires proper technique, bigger bowl pack needed, more stirring, and your dealing with a restricted vape path.

I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.

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As a lucky beta tester who ownes the LSV, and many other vaporizers. I agree with above statements. Yes you can get thick visible vapor with the LSV, but the road to that thickness, and what you have to give to achieve it is much different when utlizing the LSV and the cloud. Not to mention, I do not understand the science behind it, but there is a drastic taste/vapor-feel difference when using an all glass air path, and the air-path used in the LSV. The vapor on the LSV always just feels a little stale.

To put it bluntly, since I've gotten my beta unit version 2, I've been travelling all over Philadelphia personally visiting my friends that have always had negative things to say about vaporizing and the process involved. I am currently 23-0, each of these people were amazed by the thickness, the ease of use, and the superior design this vaporizer has to offer. Now that was among a group of people who did not believe in vaporizing at all. If you are on this forum, i'm going to guess your a semi-full time to full time vaporist. Yo will not be let down, this is the vape you have been waiting for.

I agree with Iamkrazy2, although he did blur the line between opinion and fact IMO.

The cloud does have features that provide the heat stability/distributiution and the air turbulance/pressure differential needed for uniform spontaneous cooking (while providing a quite inert and cleanable airpath). FACT

I am glad that people are gravitating away from exposed heating elements that absorb burned dust and particulate that travels in the air past the heating element over time (which is gross). OPINION

I dream of a personal cloud down the road that is somehow shorter, has a size 14 GonG joint, and an equally smaller 'personal' 'one-hitter' bowl. FACT!

I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.

and

If you are on this forum, i'm going to guess your a semi-full time to full time vaporist. Yo will not be let down, this is the vape you have been waiting for.

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Droooooool........... oh sorry let me go fetch a towel

Sorry if this has already been answered but I did not find it when I was reading the thread. I got my pre-order email and after making an account was surprised to see I could add 50 Clouds if I wanted too. How does this work? Can I pre-order as many as I want? Is there a limited quanity?

Thanks

Damn, I still can't decide which one to get! I just watched all the videos, too. I love the joint on the SWG, and it seems more sturdy. Vertigo has the great name, and also looks sick.

I have been logged in with credit card ready, but I can't decide!

Tstat said:

Damn, I still can't decide which one to get! I just watched all the videos, too. I love the joint on the SWG, and it seems more sturdy. Vertigo has the great name, and also looks sick.

I have been logged in with credit card ready, but I can't decide!

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I'm in the same decision making boat. I think I'm going with the showerhead because I already have a 6 arm tree bubb

Wow, that just made up my mind! I too have several tree-type bubs and tubes- but no showerhead!

^^ Haha that's how I made up my decision long ago, already have a sgw showerhead but no tree perc.

OK, I did it- bought the showerdome unit. A couple of thoughts:

Well, I NEVER buy anything like this- I mean something unproven, first run, etc. I mean I LOVE Apple products, and have nearly everything they make- but I never buy the first incarnation of a particular product. Inevitably something needs tweaking or even fixing, and the product gets better with updates and revisions. I have faith in the product, I guess- because I am surprised I plunked down a good chunk of change for something I have not yet seen.

Also, I hope the 8-12 week window is there so we don't set expectations too high as to when it will arrive. I mean... it would be SO awesome to have this for X-mas

I also was not too jazzed about UPS ground all the from Cali to RI, but couldn't see paying more for something that is going to take possibly 3 months to get anyway!

All in all, I am excited. I hate waiting, and I hope this is worth it. That said- congrats the the VXC crew and SM in particular!

Tstat said:

Wow, that just made up my mind! I too have several tree-type bubs and tubes- but no showerhead!

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Showerheadcrew hoooooooooooooooooooo

Progress said:

I agree with Iamkrazy2, although he did blur the line between opinion and fact IMO.

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Agree, he states his opinions as fact so I really can't take his reviews seriously.

Troi said:

Not to mention, I do not understand the science behind it, but there is a drastic taste/vapor-feel difference when using an all glass air path, and the air-path used in the LSV. The vapor on the LSV always just feels a little stale.

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So there's a difference when using an all glass air path, and an all glass air path? lol
(the LSV is an all glass air path in case you didn't catch that)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBdp_xNNKI

I was not lucky enough to try the beta test, so my best judgement on performance is watching videos. I still have yet to hear an explanation why in this video of the cloud the bud looks like it has been toasted unevenly (a lot darker as the bowl goes in) and goes from new green bud to almost completely vaked and what looks slightly charred in just 1 rip? In this video I don't see it performing any better than the LSV.

Again, anyone going into defensive mode 'omgthisisthebestvapeeveryuhatin' realize this is already reserved for me. I am just on a search for facts so I know what I'm spending more than double what I did on my LSV for.

Tstat said:

Well, I NEVER buy anything like this- I mean something unproven, first run, etc. I mean I LOVE Apple products, and have nearly everything they make- but I never buy the first incarnation of a particular product. Inevitably something needs tweaking or even fixing, and the product gets better with updates and revisions. I have faith in the product, I guess- because I am surprised I plunked down a good chunk of change for something I have not yet seen.

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I'm in the same boat.

A few of the reasons why I went ahead and pulled the trigger is because of how involved and sharing the VapeXhale team has been with everyone.

It seems like most of the issues that may have gone wrong have been caught by the beta testers the first time around, and then tweaked until right. I don't like seeing a version 2 of something coming out when it's just a way around a certain problem and not the solution. Thank you for taking your time.

I also couldn't resist that pre order price that was offered up. Stone Glass Works, Vertigo, and Sovereignty glass artists that are at the top of the game with their work in the glass industry. The type of work from those guys that's present in the Hydratube would cost you a real pretty penny to get done in a piece. They all have clear glass tubes that go above the $300 mark. Based from the beta tests I've seen with the proformance of the Cloud itself with any type of glass is amazing. That performance seems to be better than that of the best vaporizers in the industry regardless of whip, log, or bag style Which cost can cost more than $500. From a glass enthusist point of view my Cloud unit is almost free at the pre order prices!

My favorite way to vape has always been through a waterpipe. My SSV was awkward to do that for, the LSV is much better but not where it can be at, and I never have tried putting a volcano bag though a waterpipe (doesn't seem woth the effort). I can't wait to be able to switch from a Swiss perc, to a Mad Rob piece, to a Sandsmith, Hydratube, etc... with ease!

I'm going to have to work on getting a real heady custom piece made for my VXC to help the 8 to 12 week period pass. I'll make sure to post pics when it's done!

Thank you VapeXhale!

I'm so excited

pngwyn said:

Agree, he states his opinions as fact so I really can't take his reviews seriously.

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Then on what basis did you preorder? He's used pretty much all the vapes that are in the Cloud category. The rest of us beta testers share his opinions.

(the LSV is an all glass air path in case you didn't catch that)

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but when you have the heating element in the vapor path, as do all the 7th Floor vapes, it's not an all glass air path. Like the Vapolution, the Cloud's heater surrounds the glass heating chamber. The air is not exposed to the heater.

what looks slightly charred in just 1 rip?

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None of my Cloud ABV ever looked slightly charred. It IS a variable temp design, and you can certainly crank up the temp. If you're concerned about overcooking at a lower temp setting, I would say don't worry about it. The temp only varies when you change the dial setting.

In this video I don't see it performing any better than the LSV.

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The design differences have been explained. How do you propose that someone prove better performance to you in a video? All of the beta testers, all multiple vape owners, have raved about the Cloud. None of us can tell you that it's worth the money vs. the LSV or any other vape. That's subjective and up to each person to decide. Your search for facts, to provide the proof you're looking for, is fruitless. The facts of the design have all been stated, more than once, and apparently they're not sufficient for you. The only other way you're gonna know whether this vape is worth the $ for you is to try it. If you decide it's not worth it, and got the pre-order price, I'm sure you can recover your cost if you sell a very slightly used unit. If you're paying full price you'll lose some $ if you decide to sell. The only way out of that is to cancel your order.

I also am having trouble deciding which tube to go for. Seeing as I have no scientific glass at all, I am leaning towards the Vertigo. I guess I can get a shower head or circ later, I would buy both but it sounds like you have to choose right now, which is fair to everybody.

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