Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

[Zangano Cruel]

I'm so ready to take my soon to be new Cloud EVO HERE....

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-691#post-432303

PLEASE READ AND BE HAPPY... BE WELCOMED TO MY COUNTRY

 

[Amazingkaddycap]

I know I'm in the huge minority, but I don't think the cloud is all that great I think there are way to many fanboys that pump this unit. Yes, I own it, I own a Volcano, Solo, MFLB, iolite, inhale, extreme q, essential vape. Now this is all my opinion, its a weed waster, way more hits off my solo using way less weed. And yes, high as fuck. It gets very hot , the white sleeve makes an already ugly device even uglier. The Hits are nice...$500 dollars nice? No way. I get why its $500..its just not worth it. Get a solo or EQ or both and one quality glass bong and you've paid about $500. And the announcement of a new design stings. I was told how great this was. ..the next big thing...its already overshadowed There's a reason why Volcano hasn't changed in over 10 years. The Volcano isn't worth that hefty price either. I know its different delivery systems...purely price points here. Now onto the EQ forum to praise a device that is totally worth it

 

[Vapinghole]

Yes, I'm a Cloud fanboy because its a freaking fantastic vape in my view and perfect for my needs. I use very little herb and get as high as I'd ever need.

Cheers!

 

[Hexi]

Well they have directly addressed the problems with V1 etc... the whole point of the Evo was to get in-house mfg and avoid the quality issues from the old version.

Everyone has a different need/want out of a vape. I watched the Solo videos, read up on the specs and it was just too much of a tweener device for my tastes. The best solo set ups I've seen were heavily DIY and 'desktop' looking after the DIY.

Early adopters of any product always get 'burned'. Giant Nintendo DS, PSP, early XBOX360s RROD, PS3 YLOD, PAX mouthpiece 1.0, Ticking Cloud the list goes on and on. Don't even get me started on year 1 of HDMI and HDCP issues.

 

[Seek]

Amazingkaddycap: With a great power vape, there comes a great responsibility in conserving your bud. The Cloud doesn't waste any vapor and it extracts as well as possible.
The waste is possible because a vape this powerful can give too powerful hits easily. If you take in too big rips, you have to make some effort absorbing them.
If you can't absorb that huge hits, take smaller ones. The Cloud can do everything, small loads, big loads, small hits and big hits. You shouldn't take bigger hits than your lungs can handle if you don't want to waste.
The Cloud can only waste when its extraction is too good for the user (or if the ELB is left in for really long).

 

[Hexi]

Great point, most of the waste is the big clouds we rip and spit out to look at and marvel @ the milk.

I was hitting my Da Vinci the other day and the hits were coming out too strong and hot...because I was pulling too much. So I spit out some huge milky clouds of grind sprinkled with Grape Crush hash and just SMH at all the nice vape I was sharing with the birds and insects just outside my window.

If there is no combustion, and the air path is sealed, then the waste is mostly at the other end yeah?

 

[pakalolo]

Great point, most of the waste is the big clouds we rip and spit out to look at and marvel @ the milk.

I was hitting my Da Vinci the other day and the hits were coming out too strong and hot...because I was pulling too much. So I spit out some huge milky clouds of grind sprinkled with Grape Crush hash and just SMH at all the nice vape I was sharing with the birds and insects just outside my window.

If there is no combustion, and the air path is sealed, then the waste is mostly at the other end yeah?

This is exactly right. The question is whether the Cloud can work with small amounts, and the answer is that it can. By its name alone, however, it should be obvious that the Cloud caters to those seeking (duh!) clouds. Clouds, by their nature, aren't efficient for consumption. It doesn't matter which vapourizer is producing them.

 

[vtac]

I know I'm in the huge minority, but I don't think the cloud is all that great I think there are way to many fanboys that pump this unit. Yes, I own it, I own a Volcano, Solo, MFLB, iolite, inhale, extreme q, essential vape. Now this is all my opinion, its a weed waster, way more hits off my solo using way less weed. And yes, high as fuck. It gets very hot , the white sleeve makes an already ugly device even uglier. The Hits are nice...$500 dollars nice? No way. I get why its $500..its just not worth it. Get a solo or EQ or both and one quality glass bong and you've paid about $500. And the announcement of a new design stings. I was told how great this was. ..the next big thing...its already overshadowed There's a reason why Volcano hasn't changed in over 10 years. The Volcano isn't worth that hefty price either. I know its different delivery systems...purely price points here. Now onto the EQ forum to praise a device that is totally worth it

You've posted similar praise for the Extreme Q and Volcano in multiple threads. We get the point. Please stay on topic. If you want to talk about those vapes do it in their respective threads. Thank you.

 

[CentiZen]

This is exactly right. The question is whether the Cloud can work with small amounts, and the answer is that it can. By its name alone, however, it should be obvious that the Cloud caters to those seeking (duh!) clouds. Clouds, by their nature, aren't efficient for consumption. It doesn't matter which vapourizer is producing them.

I find when I do the double cap method with a very small amount of herb (perhaps 0.05) I get a really, really good extraction and a nice cloud. You can get the best of both worlds here, methinks, just not when your going for the lung busters.

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

I know I'm in the huge minority . . .

Umm, what exactly is a "huge minority"; isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron? And what do you base that on, anyway?

While there were some tough criticisms, every complaint has been addressed by VXL. This thread and the indiegogo campaign speak for themselves. And the folks here are not fan-boys, either. Look at the roster of owners here and you'll find many of the most experienced and knowledgeable vaporists on this site or anywhere for that matter. And many of these folks are also Q (and SSV, DB, Solo) owners, too.

As has been stated many times on FC, there is no such thing as the "perfect vape". You clearly prefer the Q; I'm genuinely glad you're so happy with it. Interestingly, I have a very experienced friend (and grower) whom I encouraged to buy the Q and he enjoys it too, but after using my Cloud that's all he wants to use now. You are both correct, from your personal POV.

Now please allow the huge majority of Cloud owners to continue to enjoy the prospects of the new EVO.

This is exactly right. The question is whether the Cloud can work with small amounts, and the answer is that it can. By its name alone, however, it should be obvious that the Cloud caters to those seeking (duh!) clouds. Clouds, by their nature, aren't efficient for consumption. It doesn't matter which vapourizer is producing them.

The question of small loads and conservation came up earlier this year. I did a little test using .1g of mids. The pics here tell the story:

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapexhale-cloud.5247/page-427#post-338072

 

[Tweak]

Now onto the EQ forum to praise a device that is totally worth it

And from the EQ forum:

Just got a EQ...also have a feeling a true whip vape ia probably better (SSV)

I find when I do the double cap method with a very small amount of herb (perhaps 0.05) I get a really, really good extraction and a nice cloud.

Never thought about using the double cap for flowers. I'm gonna give that a try when I get home.

So the new Eagle is being referred to as the EVO? I must have missed the memo, .

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Wow. I had one of my VXC's turned up all the way last night, i couldnt sleep and i broke out some really good oil that was gifted to me, and i rarely use. Many hits off one fat dab. Now today, I was going to get in a bowl of herb before taking the dog for a walk. Forgot to turn down the temp from full blast and got one lung busting blast off a full pack. Never done that before, not my cup of tea, but herb was browned evenly and it certainly was a quick way to get there. Cheers all, have a vaped weekend

 

[Hexi]

Great pics (from the small amount Cloud Test pics) thanks. But IDK what the double cap method is? can someone give me a quicky? I find that the small chamber of the Da Vinci is more than enough for 2 sessions for me, by the looks of it, the chamber for the Cloud v1 and Evo are both bigger?

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

Great pics (from the small amount Cloud Test pics) thanks. But IDK what the double cap method is? can someone give me a quicky? I find that the small chamber of the Da Vinci is more than enough for 2 sessions for me, by the looks of it, the chamber for the Cloud v1 and Evo are both bigger?

Double-cap is used by some for a kief or hash pack. You place your material inside the ELB cap and then place another cap on top of that. Others sandwich between some flowers in the ELB. Personally, I like to break it down into small pieces and mix it together with some flowers.

Re the ELB size, IIRC the consensus is approx .3g at full load, which should be no more than 80% full. Everybody has a different preference, for myself I like .15-.2g. Any more than that, I'll use a second ELB. That is, after I get up off the floor. The extraction efficiency of this machine is phenomenal, and that's without requiring very high heat like other vapes mentioned here just today.

 

[Hexi]

So the ELB caps can fit on top of each other or something? I'm also normally a flowers with hash sprinkle type but I also use wax or pure hash in an oil can.

 

[CentiZen]

And from the EQ forum:
Never thought about using the double cap for flowers. I'm gonna give that a try when I get home.

Pretty much the only way I hit the cloud now... very nice clouds of vapor, uniform extraction and the small amounts make my herb last longer as I usually always end up dazed and confusedly forgetting to have that third or fourth bowl instead of just loading the ELB right up.

The only thing that sucks is that is it incompatible with many bongs or glass adapters.

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

So the ELB caps can fit on top of each other or something? I'm also normally a flowers with hash sprinkle type but I also use wax or pure hash in an oil can.

Yes. But IME at least squeezing the 2 caps together results in slight pinching of the top cap such that it is not a tight fit if used later with an ELB in the regular fashion. Not that it is unusable, just a tad loose. So I've reserved the ELB/caps set for double-capping just for that purpose.

As far as oil, that can be done as well with more than one method. I don't have access to oil, so can't comment on that specifically. But I do recall SM saying that oils work fine with the EVO.

 

[AdmiralAlpacha]

Pretty much the only way I hit the cloud now... very nice clouds of vapor, uniform extraction and the small amounts make my herb last longer as I usually always end up dazed and confusedly forgetting to have that third or fourth bowl instead of just loading the ELB right up.

The only thing that sucks is that is it incompatible with many bongs or glass adapters.

Could you expand on it being incompatible with many bongs/glass? Is it because the screen sticks up too far to fit into the gong?

How do you use it if you cant connect it to any glass?

 

[wootze]

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Could you expand on it being incompatible with many bongs/glass? Is it because the screen sticks up too far to fit into the gong?

How do you use it if you cant connect it to any glass?

The male business end fits any 18.8 female that I've used. Side clearance might be an issue on some pieces, but the cloud buddy, or an angled adapter solves that problem. This for upside down use in glassware. The various hydra tubes permit the cloud to be honked right side up.

It is also used without water with the dry tube or any 18.8 Sherlock handle.

 

[AdmiralAlpacha]

Even with the double cap mentioned above?

 

[SD_haze]

Mmmm
dem vents!

 

[CentiZen]

The male business end fits any 18.8 female that I've used. Side clearance might be an issue on some pieces, but the cloud buddy, or an angled adapter solves that problem. This for upside down use in glassware. The various hydra tubes permit the cloud to be honked right side up.

It is also used without water with the dry tube or any 18.8 Sherlock handle.

I appreciate the help but the issue isn't between the actual glass bushing at all, it's the internal diameter of the tube that bushing is connected to that affects it's compatibility.

Because the second cap pokes up about half a centimeter, it can get stuck or jammed as it goes past the ground glass connection and into the actual downstem area. I have a bong by LUX that I simply cannot do the double cap trick with since it can't make a proper seal with half a centimeters worth of gap, and if I push it to far it will get stuck. Some of my adapters also do not fit, nor does my mouthpiece.

Some of my other bongs fit, and so do my hydrotubes. It all depends on how wide the internal glass is after the bushing.

 

[Amazingkaddycap]

I like the Cloud, I wanted to love the Cloud, fact is I didn't. I kinda regret the purchase. And people talk about other vapes all the time in other vape threads...its nice to have a comparsion when you're thinking of dropping $500 on a vaporizer. This is a forum for more information....right? I get it tho...total support for one of your own. Funny thing is....I still want this damn Nimbus or whatever its gonna be called. No more early adaptations for me until the unit is proven.

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

. . . It all depends on how wide the internal glass is after the bushing.

And/or the depth, too. For example, I have both the large Mobius bubblers and the smaller Ion. The Cloud fits perfectly into the Ion. But for some reason Mobius makes the joints on the larger pieces just a tiny bit more shallow. As a result the Cloud sits a tad loose on those - the extra cap regardless - and the seal is not tight. Consequently I use the CloudBuddy with those pieces, which fits perfectly.

I know this isn't exactly what you're referring to. But in past discussions comparing notes users have observed that joints on two different pieces don't always match up as desired, and there can be various reasons. It also comes to mind that the Cloud's joint itself is shaved a tiny bit so as to avoid HT lock, this has contributed to it being a little loose with some but not other pieces; just another example.

 

[CentiZen]

I like the Cloud, I wanted to love the Cloud, fact is I didn't. I kinda regret the purchase. And people talk about other vapes all the time in other vape threads...its nice to have a comparsion when you're thinking of dropping $500 on a vaporizer. This is a forum for more information....right? I get it tho...total support for one of your own. Funny thing is....I still want this damn Nimbus or whatever its gonna be called. No more early adaptations for me until the unit is proven.

No, the issue at hand was that you were contrasting and discussing other vaporizers in a thread dedicated to a single machine. The same rules would apply regardless of the manufacturer or vaporizer in question, or if the manufacturer was active on FC or not.

If you wanted to start your own thread to discuss your thoughts on the Cloud and other competing vaporizers, that is fair game and you are welcome to do that. In fact, I hope you do as I'd like to discuss this further with you. There are a couple legitimate reasons that could be behind your Clouds nonperformance.