I'm still trying to find the sweet spot......
There's something about the temp. With all my other vapes I normally hang around 380F to start a bowl before temp stepping up to 428F to finish it off. I started off playing around with draws at my normal temps when I first got the Roffu but I've been drifting lower and lower in temp looking for the equivalent of "my 380F". One thing I'm confident of.....I'm staying off 428F for finishing off a bowl. I can taste the potential combustion at 428F and I'm using the glass bowl....it got my ABV charred real dark which is how I like it but I could tell we weren't too far away from the flame.
I'm currently starting my fresh bowls at 285F which is way lower than I normally start but 285F tastes good, is smooth and doesn't make the unit hot. I've been temp stepping up to around 380F but I'm still not sure about the upper range.
I can't wait to dial this vape in .... I can feel its muscles.
Just curious.....what temp is everyone using to start a new bowl and what's your finishing off temp?
Agreed. Being familiar with arbitrary numbers in portables, I always start low, and never use what "I've always used" with other vapes. I feel like I'm prone to getting vapes that run hot, and I tend to use lower numbers than people it seems.
I start at 350-360.
I've noticed that the "weren't too far from the flame" feeling really starts to pick up as the draw goes longer and longer. In my previous post I mentioned it hits a point where it starts spitting out vapor.
You can basically start on 360, get a rip with pure flavor no vapor. Get another one with tiny vapor. Then do a looong pull, and it feels like a turbo kicks in and the vapor gets real thick. All on the same temp that previously didn't give huge hits when not drawing long enough.
Testing it right now to verify.
On demand, 355f.
About 8 second pull from a cold start (after the vibration). Good flavor, slightest wisp of vapor only visible through my bright light. I pulled off before it would really pick up.
About a 6 second pull. Great flavor, still wispy vapor but definitely visible.
About a 12 second pull, but around the 7 second mark, you feel the
thickness physically coming through (I think people typically describe this as 'silky'). From 7-12 seconds it feels like it's just pouring vapor.
The temp hasn't changed. I'm still at 355.
Flavor was still great despite being a huge hit, but it's that nice cooked flavor. Nowhere near a roast flavor yet, still taste fully the weed without any darkness, it's just not that "soapy"ish flavor you get on real low temps and on the initial flavor chaser hits.
Did another hit, same temp, same deal with the vapor production. Flavor is falling off and is more neutral.
It's important to note, probably more so with the metal bowl, but the more back to back hits you take, the more heatsoaked the vape will be. So the first hit is going to be misleading when everything is cold. I always recommend sticking to 1 temperature, and vaping an entire bowl until vapor thins out. See how the bowl heats up throughout the session and what changes, and then adjust.
(I made an entire Solo 2 video about this, and how people take a hit, don't get much vapor, then bump up the temp. Wrong wrong wrong. (I know everyone in this thread is experienced enough to know what they're doing though
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At this point, I can tell the bud has had enough of this temperature, and it's taking longer to produce less vapor. So now is an acceptable time to bump up the temp (for the sake of testing temp variables).
Up to 375 we go. No point on trying to test for a wispy hit, as the flavor is sucked from it already. Wispy hits in the middle of a bowl is not the goal.
Going for a long draw, I get a very thick rip again, so the bump up in temp was substantial enough to hit the next tier of vapeables in the bud.
Flavor is going from neutral to spent, but isn't quite fully "spent" flavor yet. Just tasting a bit roasty and no specific flavors of the weed.
Bud is yellow with a hint of browning.
I've noticed in portables, bud starts to taste worse at a lighter color than some high end desktops. I think it's because all it takes is a few rough vaped pieces to really taint a bowl's flavor. Not sure though, but nothing out of the ordinary here.
Stirred
390f, flavor is now spent. Vapor is losing the physical feeling of "thickness", but still getting acceptable vapor.
390f again. Flavor is dark, vapor is wispy. If I turned it up, I'm sure I could nuke out another horrible tasting hit with average vapor, but that is just not worth it.
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So what I learned from this is you don't really need to temp step the first few hits. The first hit is going to run cold, and as you get a few more hits and decide to drag out a long draw, you can really "muscle" out some thick vapor without changing the temp.
This leaves a few options.
You can "temp step" by staying on the same temp, but changing the length of your draw, assuming you're doing subsequent back to back hits.
You could maybe start at a very high temp, and use the shorter initial rips to maybe get quick thick hits (will need to test this) and then possibly bump the temp down once the bowl catches up to the heat.
Or just fuck around with it as you please.
It almost adds a manual aspect to this vape. Set a temp that works for you, and then adjust your draw to keep the hits cooler or really ramp up for those heavy hits.
It leaves me wondering ...
Based on the battery life and how quickly the vape heats up, the heater is relatively small and doesn't require much power.
Why would it take as long as it does through a draw to really ramp up? Am I the only one really noticing that turbo kick in? I need to read more of this thread, I sort of just jumped in, so apologies on that. Makes me wonder if it's my unit, or standard.
Maybe I'm just not used to other types of convection portables. The Milaana has a bit of a ramp up time, but the Hopper io is pretty damn fast to start producing. Not trying to compare vastly different vapes, mostly just trying to compare experiences with portable on demand convection.
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Either way, that was very nice. I really enjoyed it as a session, got great flavor and some pretty ridiculously big hits, and it's just a smooth experience. Definitely a surprising unit. A lot to learn and practice with, and doesn't just feel completely automatic, which I enjoy.
If I could figure out how to get those thicker rips right off the bat a bit faster, it would put it up a bit more for me. I just imagine passing it to a friend and saying "just keep inhaling, you won't really feel anything for the first 5 seconds or so but trust me it'll come".
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@His_Highness, I'd recommend starting at one of those lower temps you've been enjoying, and sitting on it for a few hits and changing the length of the draw. It really picks up the heat towards the end, and I think that may be what's giving you trouble as you bump up the temp.
Anyone else notice similarities in performance to the Haze Square?