Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

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You're sure the EVO wins in extraction, but you're asking which is more efficient? If one is better at getting 'it all' extracted, then that's the winner.

Here's a point to consider. All log vapes aren't the same. If you're using a fixed temp then your hits will be limited to the vapor you can get at that temp. Another very important point is that you have to manage the vapor once you extract it. If you load up the EVO and immediately set it at a high temp, you'll get a huge hit, but you'll also waste a lot of it on exhale since you won't be able to hold it and process it. Efficiency, in large part, is up to the user. Any vape with variable temp can be efficient if used with that goal in mind. Even a small bowl, fixed temp, log vape can be very efficient and provide lots of hits. You're just limited where the higher temp vapor is concerned.

Sounds like a great video to take excerpts from for making a vid on 'how not to use the EVO'.

HAHA. i still haven't pushed myself to finish it. still excited for the exposure for the vapexhale guys, regardless.

 

[JoeKickass]

About 7 minutes...

About 10 minutes to nearly full warm up. Ohh, but it was soooo(!) worth the wait.

Hmm is that 10 min until the og cloud is fully warm and producing thick vapor? I would say my evo is actually pretty similar to that, maybe it just turns green way too early...

 

[stonemonkey55]

Hmm is that 10 min until the og cloud is fully warm and producing thick vapor? I would say my evo is actually pretty similar to that, maybe it just turns green way too early...

The green light is to show when you "should" start seeing some vapor but the quickest way to warming up the unit (without combusting) is to pre-heat at 3pm, when it turns green, turn it back to the noon position and then wait for the green light. The unit should be fully saturated with heat at this point and hit the "sweet spot"

 

[this_multiverse]

Just ordered mine, on the list, can't wait ;D

 

[grokit]

The green light is to show when you "should" start seeing some vapor but the quickest way to warming up the unit (without combusting) is to pre-heat at 3pm, when it turns green, turn it back to the noon position and then wait for the green light. The unit should be fully saturated with heat at this point and hit the "sweet spot"

Thanks for the tip! I was pretty close to doing it that way but not quite there.
When the green light comes on the second time it's because the unit has cooled off enough to register green at noon right? Interesting that the time it takes to cool off is also used to heat it up, but whatever works!

 

[stonemonkey55]

Thanks for the tip! I was pretty close to doing it that way but not quite there.
When the green light comes on the second time it's because the unit has cooled off enough to register green at noon right? Interesting that the time it takes to cool off is also used to heat it up, but whatever works!

It's actually the thermal mass absorbing heat so even as the heater is cooling down, the insulator is absorbing heat that ultimately get reflected back into the heater core

 

[grokit]

That makes total sense, thanks again @stonemonkey55!

 

[JCat]

The green light is to show when you "should" start seeing some vapor but the quickest way to warming up the unit (without combusting) is to pre-heat at 3pm, when it turns green, turn it back to the noon position and then wait for the green light. The unit should be fully saturated with heat at this point and hit the "sweet spot"

That's pretty much exactly the routine I've settled into (except I only back it off to 1-1:30 most of the time ...)

 

[JoeKickass]

The green light is to show when you "should" start seeing some vapor but the quickest way to warming up the unit (without combusting) is to pre-heat at 3pm, when it turns green, turn it back to the noon position and then wait for the green light. The unit should be fully saturated with heat at this point and hit the "sweet spot"

Oh wow, I think I'm going to have to send mine in...I go max until green, dial it back to 3 or 4 (or max lol) and my first bowl abv comes out light yellow no matter what. Maybe I have a minor heater issue..

 

[elmomuzz]

My evo is nowhere close to being ready when the light turns green at max. It takes about 10-15 minutes to really be ready. I am fine with that.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Oh wow, I think I'm going to have to send mine in...I go max until green, dial it back to 3 or 4 (or max lol) and my first bowl abv comes out light yellow no matter what. Maybe I have a minor heater issue..

My evo is nowhere close to being ready when the light turns green at max. It takes about 10-15 minutes to really be ready. I am fine with that.

Elmo - what temp do you usually use yours at? That trick works for the noon position but if you are going to be in "turbo mode" (beyond 3pm on the dial) it will take the 10-15 to fully saturate the unit with heat.

 

[grokit]

Oh wow, I think I'm going to have to send mine in...I go max until green, dial it back to 3 or 4 (or max lol) and my first bowl abv comes out light yellow no matter what. Maybe I have a minor heater issue..

My evo is nowhere close to being ready when the light turns green at max. It takes about 10-15 minutes to really be ready. I am fine with that.

These both sound like the way mine was running, it's on it way to vxc now to get the current firmware.

 

[MonsterWithoutBorders]

Here are some of my results from my black evo and my fanatic granite evo.

Black - 3pm ------------------------------------------------Granite 3-pm
2:10 green ------------------------------------------- 2:10 green
2:20-2:45 flickering red/green --------------------------------2:20 red
3:15 green forever--------------------------------------3:45 green eternally

Black - 9 am-------------------------------------------------Granite 9-am
1:40 green----------------------------------------------1:30 green
2:00 red------------------------------------------------1:50 red
4:25 green----------------------------------------------5:03 green

Black 12 pm-------------------------------------------------Granite 12
2:15 green-----------------------------------------------2:00 green
2:40 red-------------------------------------------------2:25 red
3:35 green-----------------------------------------------4:05 green

Test were done on three separate days. Both units were turned on simultaneously.

 

[M00NEY]

The green light is to show when you "should" start seeing some vapor but the quickest way to warming up the unit (without combusting) is to pre-heat at 3pm, when it turns green, turn it back to the noon position and then wait for the green light. The unit should be fully saturated with heat at this point and hit the "sweet spot"

This is also what I have settled to as a process if I am starting cold. Now that I am using a WeMo, the EVO is generally ready and waiting I am doing so less and less.

But I feel like the green light being what we are using to judge the unit as being ready is changing too early, or perhaps stating that it has a 2 minute heat up time is a bit of a misnomer, but I could be thinking of it from the wrong side.

The green light is to show when you "should" start seeing some vapor but the quickest way to warming up the unit (without combusting) is to pre-heat at 3pm, when it turns green, turn it back to the noon position and then wait for the green light. The unit should be fully saturated with heat at this point and hit the "sweet spot"

This being the defined case, should the temp reading be taken from a different location to go green? I mean if we're turning green when we *should* see vapor, but there are adjustments to the startup (from cold) process that get you definitely seeing vapor sooner - why not have the light go green when the thermal mass is built up? I know that the time has passed to change this, but it seems odd to me... Or perhaps it would have worked to have an additional stage in the sequence to alleviate this confusion. On > Red, Current Green > Amber (can be accomplished with Red and Green filaments on, so could even use a single bi-color LED inside) Thermal Mass built up and ready for anything > Green.

It just seems like the current initial green ends up being a tease.

 

[Zangano Cruel]

Elmo - what temp do you usually use yours at? That trick works for the noon position but if you are going to be in "turbo mode" (beyond 3pm on the dial) it will take the 10-15 to fully saturate the unit with heat.

@stonemonkey55
Remember that @elmomuzz , as well as myself, we vape in an outdoor garden shed.... Outside temperatures in the PNW, Vancouver WA, Portland OR, in my case, going between 10F to 30F sometimes.
So, saturating our units with heat, is sometimes a little bit hard.
If I just turn it on to MAX, I can easily do one fast ELB without combusting.
After a few minutes, I tend to turn it down to 12.
Still, my first ELB is light brown.
Really cold air intake, IMO changes the way my EVO performs.
Indoors my EVO is a different beast,
3pm gives me dark brown chocolate ABV, with almost charred spots to the exposed area of the bamboo heating side, depending if I'm using my HT or my Clear Matrix.

My routine now....
I preload 4 or 5 ELB, 1/3 of a load...
Set EVO at 9am... Run all the ELBs and enjoy FLAVOR all the way
Then I run all the ELBs again at 12pm... That's where the milk clouds start pouring into my Clear... Still a lot of flavor but a lot of fog
At the end, while I'm finishing my ELBs at 12, I stirred them all and give them a last run at 2pm...(edit: at 3pm I kill the ELBs , wispy clouds full of painkillers and sleepy dreams...)
No flavor now, sometimes a little popcorn , but very neutral flavorless clouds.
EVO is fast and a reliable extracting device. I'm liking it more everyday.
Stay vaped my friends...

 

[Troi]

My evo is nowhere close to being ready when the light turns green at max. It takes about 10-15 minutes to really be ready. I am fine with that.

Just curious, is that in your workshop (Where it is very cold ambient temperature), inside or both?

 

[arf777]

Mine came today, been using it side-by-side with my ticker. The EVO heated up a little faster - like a 5 minute difference to produce comparable vapor. It definitely weighs less. And though they're both set around 2 and producing similar looking clouds, the EVO is definitely medicating me more.

Either way I'm definitely happy after the first few hours. My only worry is whether the EVO will survive the same level of abuse my OG ticker has taken. Knock on wood, mine has survived over 50 falls, being chewed by a dog, knocked over by a cat, and god knows what else.

 

[elmomuzz]

Just curious, is that in your workshop (Where it is very cold ambient temperature), inside or both?

Both. There might be a few minutes difference but even inside it still takes 10+ minutes. It's insulated well enough the ambient temp doesn't make a lot of difference.


What I never do it turn it on cold. I don't want thermal shock. So it stays on all the time at roughly the 3:00 position. This can get my abv pretty dark but no char.

 

[Deadshort480]

I've got a new toy to sit on top of my EVO incoming. I am really, really excited about this one!

 

[arf777]

I decided last night that I needed to try the EVO on my entire glass collection. But about half-way through, for some reason, I got disoriented, munchy and fell asleep

Woke up surrounded by glass and a blinking EVO. It appears to have punched through my tolerance.

 

[stonemonkey55]

I've got a new toy to sit on top of my EVO incoming. I am really, really excited about this one!

do share!

 

[this_multiverse]

noob question, why is the OG model called "ticker"?

 

[CentiZen]

Because the relay they used to control the heater made a distinct "tick" noise while it was running. They switched to a silent one for the Cloud+

 

[JoeKickass]

Because the relay they used to control the heater made a distinct "tick" noise while it was running. They switched to a silent one for the Cloud+

Thanks for the insight, I was always under the impression the metal case was ticking from heat expansion like a car.

But a relay constantly clicking on and off I can see how that would be annoying after a while...

 

[CentiZen]

Yeah, but I've actually come to kind of like it. It's subtle and a good non-visual indicator of the Cloud's status. It sits behind me on a dresser surface, so I'm not always looking at it.