Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

[arf777]

EVO has been knocked off the table for the first time, and seems fine. Just another 49 or so incidents to see if it's as tough as the OG. Plus some abuse by my animals.

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

I ordered a new IR thermometer - I lost mine, think it's with my lost Pinnacle - so I can check the temp difference between the OG ticker and the EVO.

After more testing, I definitely agree with those who've pointed out that the EVO is much better with an HT than the original cloud. Really seems designed for it, and I love the EB turbine HT.

Also, on SM's advice, I turned booth units all the way to full, then compared. The vapor seems equally dense - I can;t see through either - but the EVO ABV is much more evenly cooked, and the vape tests better to the last pull.

Also, turning the EVO to 5 for 10 minutes or so, then turning it back down to my desired setting, makes its performance better. And its behavior is more predictable - the dial is more accurate. On the OG I sometimes scorch at only 2; has not happened on the EVO.

I think my OG ticker has been running hot for a while. I've been getting literally black ABV from it.

Will report more later, espec with temp comparisons. I must say, if I hadn't already had a Cloud, the EVO would be a dream come true.

I got to introduce a friend to the EVO this weekend. He is in love.

As we were enjoying the process and the effects, we got to discussing the intricacies of this particular vape, how cool the HT is, the design, how it can invert, why the ELB is so freaking great, understanding how he combusted one time - all sorts of fun discussion.

We got to discussing the heat up time and it spawned a few questions on the heat up time and process and what is actually going on there with the green light and the unit actually being ready to use.

If we let the unit cool off and turn it on to 1PM and pull a hit as soon as it turns green, there is wispy, DELICIOUS vapor there. If we then walk away from the EVO for 10 or 15 minutes, we come back to that same 1PM setting and get some nice thick vapor, still delicious. I think we have discussed that that is a result of the thermal mass being built up - but what does that actually mean?

Now that I have been thinking on it, it makes me wonder if the temperature is rising internally (as the unit gets all that insulation saturated with heat) or if the path that the air passes through is up to temp for a wider area. If it is simply wider, then I think it allows the air passing through to get to the right temp easier, as there is more exposure to THAT temp. If it is getting hotter, then I would think it is equalizing to a temp based on intake air temp > hot spot > happy medium between the two. I would hazard to guess that the latter of those two potentials (there may be more possibilities that have not hit me) would provide a less accurate interface - but I am not sure that matters (at least not for me, where this is pretty much all entertainment, not medical).

TL;DR - Once the unit is fully warmed up - be it via turbo mode or 10-15 minutes on, is the heated air path larger or hotter (or both) than at the initial green light?

FWIW, this is curiosity - performance is excellent.

Allow me to theorize that the differences in performance being seen is not just a matter of heat, promixity to heat source, or other factors we are familiar with in how vapes typically work.

The Cloud OG and now much more the EVO, appear to be designed around the objective of what I would call, for want of a better word (where are you, Marketing Monkey?), "comprehensive" extraction. At any given point in the evaporation continuum of the plant material, the EVO seems to extract virtually all the actives. This would account for user's noticing more and better flavor, the complete and uniform ABV, etc.

I believe the secret sauce is in the machine's thermodynamics. I'm fascinated by how the design of the bamboo, heater, and ELB together (with the user, another mechanism in the system) create a forced-air pressurized turbulence that results in exceptional extraction efficiency. So while comparing temps is useful and important as far as it goes, there are other factors inherent in the design (and yet others external to the machine) which also significantly affect performance. I would argue that the Cloud (along with a couple other recent premium vapes) is the beginning of a whole new vaporizer ballgame. Your grandmother's vape, this is not.

And re the question of a larger or hotter air path, while it is true that the unit gets hotter, that is due to thermal mass (aka heat capacity), i.e., the accumulated storage of heat generated energy.

 

[arf777]

Allow me to theorize that the differences in performance being seen is not just a matter of heat, promixity to heat source, or other factors we are familiar with in how vapes typically work.

The Cloud OG and now much more the EVO, appear to be designed around the objective of what I would call, for want of a better word (where are you, Marketing Monkey?), "comprehensive" extraction. At any given point in the evaporation continuum of the plant material, the EVO seems to extract virtually all the actives. This would account for user's noticing more and better flavor, the complete and uniform ABV, etc.

I believe the secret sauce is in the machine's thermodynamics. I'm fascinated by how the design of the bamboo, heater, and ELB together create a forced-air pressurized turbulence that results in exceptional extraction efficiency. So while comparing temps is useful and important as far as it goes, there are other factors inherent in the design (and yet others external to the machine) which also significantly affect performance. I would argue that the Cloud (along with a couple other recent premium vapes) is the beginning of a whole new vaporizer ballgame. Your grandmother's vape, this is not.

And re the question of a larger or hotter air path, while it is true that the unit gets hotter, that is due to thermal mass (aka heat capacity), i.e., the accumulated storage of heat generated energy.

I agree with all of the above- the fluid dynamics are every bit s important as the heating. IMHO, that's why the taste and ABV from the EVO are much closer to those from the VHW, which has always used multiple Venturi tube structures, creating Bernoulli choke-points. The EVO has that MUCH more than the OG Cloud, though that has it a little as well.

In my case, I was asked by Vapexhale to make sure my EVO isn't running under-temp. And I like IR thermometers anyway. Lets me check my cooking without getting out of my chair.

 

[tranceporter]

Just vaped my 1st ELB with the EVO. Full report to come later as I need to gather my thoughts because I got so blitzed I almost forgot I had a doctors appt!

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

Just did a quick couple ELBs. Nothing I've tried hits like the EVO.

Couple observations.

1. The glass part of the EVO seems bigger after the repair. All of my ELBs slide in and out easily while prior to the repair, it was sometimes pretty difficult to get them in and out. Even a couple very new ones I have slide in easily. The airflow also feels larger than before.

2. The heater doesn't get as hot on the same temp places before. I wonder if this is because I had a hot running EVO or if my old one had a restricted airflow.

Either way, I'm so happy to have it back.

 

[pakalolo]

I believe the secret sauce is in the machine's thermodynamics. I'm fascinated by how the design of the bamboo, heater, and ELB together (with the user, another mechanism in the system) create a forced-air pressurized turbulence that results in exceptional extraction efficiency. So while comparing temps is useful and important as far as it goes, there are other factors inherent in the design (and yet others external to the machine) which also significantly affect performance. I would argue that the Cloud (along with a couple other recent premium vapes) is the beginning of a whole new vaporizer ballgame. Your grandmother's vape, this is not.

I agree with all of the above- the fluid dynamics are every bit s important as the heating. IMHO, that's why the taste and ABV from the EVO are much closer to those from the VHW, which has always used multiple Venturi tube structures, creating Bernoulli choke-points.

I'm pretty sure this is how the Herbalaire has always worked, that's why you don't have to grind for it. It's interesting how long it has taken other designers to catch on to this idea.

 

[Enchantre]

Well, today is a GREAT day.

The EVO has returned.

So has mine!
I've hit two ELBs now also. Same observations. Seems to run more accurately with the stated goal of 350F at Noon (I haven't measured it, but seems closer to that temp). ELB fits better.

Mine is now whistling on both my bubbler, and the HT. Like, whistling LOUD. I think this may be related to the slight airflow change with the less restrictive bamboo? Mine just said "repair", so I am assuming that the bamboo was changed out (I never saw broken glass - but it was most likely that issue).

I'm so very happy the EVO is home.

Happy dancing!!

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

. . .
2. The heater doesn't get as hot on the same temp places before. I wonder if this is because I had a hot running EVO or if my old one had a restricted airflow.

It could be the new firmware. It makes the range across the dial more linear, so it's possible that a temp at a given point on the dial is now at a different point. (Of course, this doesn't eliminate the possibility that it also ran hot.)

 

[PoopMachine]

This makes me a sad panda....... Unit has been cleaned (Only had it about 2 weeks so not much to clean) and will be leaving via brown truck tomorrow.

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

I find I'm liking the 1-3 range now more. I used to always combust at around 3, now that is where I'm getting my super thick vapour hits. I like the additional variation in the range now that it has been extended a bit.

 

[stonemonkey55]

I find I'm liking the 1-3 range now more. I used to always combust at around 3, now that is where I'm getting my super thick vapour hits. I like the additional variation in the range now that it has been extended a bit.

3 is about as high as you should go with flowers. Anything beyond that, there is the possibility of combustion. 3-5 is good for concentrates. Enjoy @Dr. Plutonious and @Enchantre

 

[JoeKickass]

3-5 is good for concentrates.

How's the testing for the concentrate tool going? Are people nice and ?

 

[stonemonkey55]

How's the testing for the concentrate tool going? Are people nice and

It is working EXTREMELY well but it is still a bit messy. Looking into some alternative ways to skin this cat in parallel

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

3 is about as high as you should go with flowers. Anything beyond that, there is the possibility of combustion. 3-5 is good for concentrates. Enjoy @Dr. Plutonious and @Enchantre

YEah, sounds about right. 3 gives super dense vapour, but so does 2. I only use 3 for bigger pieces that need some more horse power to milk.

 

[Deadshort480]

It is working EXTREMELY well but it is still a bit messy. Looking into some alternative ways to skin this cat in parallel

Hey @stonemonkey55, with the concentrate accessory can the unit be turned upside down into a bubbler or must it be used upright only?

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

Wow...this is unreal.

I thought the EVO was incredible before. Now with the recalibration and (what I think is) a larger glass part, it's hitting massive. Much more efficient, yet the extra airflow allows for the biggest of rips. I'm having the smallest drag I've ever had on my chuggy pieces.


EDIT: Woooooo and blast off.

 

[Seek]

I thought they said all bamboo restrictions are going to be consistent in EVOs. There are probably less variations, but I still see people having abnormaly restrictive bamboos.
I hope I will finally get a low-drag one. I only had a high-drag Cloud for 200 days. And I know that if it allowed me to pull faster, its performance would shine even more.
Your experience just confirms to me that overly-restrictive bamboos also restrict the performance. Yes, it will probably still vape batter than anything, it can just be even much better!
IMO every bamboo produced should be QC'd in detail, especially measuring diameters of these restrictions and discarding abnormal ones before they can be put into the device.

Just one restriction that is tiny bit smaller then the norm can increase the drag significantly and when it happens, it can be the only dislikeable part of the VapeXhale vapor experience imo.

As I've been testing the drag of different diameters, this is what it feel like to me:

5+mm diameter: Super-low drag, imo too litttle drag for a proper Cloud performance.
3-4mm diameter: Low-mid drag, I'd love restrictions like these ony my OG Cloud bamboo.
2mm diameter: This i s what I had on my OG and the drag was mid-high. Almost making me drooling when pulling the hardest. Clouds with these still function wonderfully, but not to the full potential.
1mm diameter: Unusable, its like pulling ice-cream through a drinking straw.

 

[canj00digit?]

I think it would be cool if they offered a minimal resistance bamboo version of the EVO.
Like many others I'm looking for the least restricted draw possible while still maintaining extraction performance. With the more powerful heater of the EVO it seems it could keep up with a much less restricted bamboo. Obviously those versions would require a higher temp setting for equal extraction performance (compared to standard bamboo versions) to compensate for the decreased time the air spends passing by the heater. And maybe that would limit it's concentrate abilities on the upper end, but it's a trade off I would more than love to make for what I feel would be the perfect flower vape to mate with glass: an EVO with minimal restriction.

I admit being a little nervous reading others opinions that the EVO is even more restricted than the Cloud+. I already wish the + would be less restrictive.

Just shootin' the shit...

 

[biohacker]

My Cloud+ died this morning so i'm looking for it's replacement and looks like I need to have an EVO!

Awesome to see that the fundstarter campaign will be complete with deliveries this week and on to preorders!

 

[tranceporter]

After a total of 3 full ELBs I can say that I am very pleased with the device. I won't really ramble about all of the positives that you guys know about. It is light, the extraction is superb and the build quality is excellent.

Only negative I have is that I think my EVO is running cold. I like higher temperature sessions and on max temp I get very light brown ABV. Max actually seems like about 1:30 on my Plus. I get very tasty vapor and pretty nice hits, but I cannot milk the HT or my Mobius. Also after every hit the EVO goes red and it takes about 30 seconds to a minute for it to light green again.

So it looks I'll be sending the EVO back for calibration. My ABV is noticeably more uniform than my Plus but I'm pretty sure I should be combusting on max. The unit gets me thoroughly baked but it just isn't delivering the punch I am after.

 

[mscm888]

Disappointing to hear 1 of the latest EVO's received, seems to have calibration issues.

Are you letting it warm up like SM55 suggested? See a few pages back.

 

[VapeNStone]

^this is the exactly question I was going to ask lol

 

[elmomuzz]

Let it heat at 3:00 for 15 minutes and give it a try. I bet it gets your abv much darker. True it goes against the whole quick warmup thing but not a big deal for me.

 

[tonio145]

super exited to get my evo today. Just finished cleaning all the snow from my driveway for when the postman arrives. I've been lazy and putting it off for a while but I'm trying to make time go by faster plus I don't want the postman to trip and fall lol. alright now I need to find something else to keep me busy till it gets here.

this should have probably gone in the anticipation thread since I'm anticipating it to get here lol... but once I get it I will do a review and add more valuable content

 

[Dr. Plutonious]

I'm finding the EVO more efficient now. I'm getting the same Clouds as before, but it isn't browning the weed nearly as fast. I tried this out with a few strains and same results for em all.

EDIT: My 16 inch M&M tech beaker mates wonderfully with the Cloud now. The drag is so much less and it hits extremely hard as a result. I'm happy because when I saw this piece online, I envisioned hitting it with the EVO.

One ELB filly 1/3 of the way and I'm high.