JoeKickass
Well-Known Member
I find the smell from "cleaning" a vxn in the evo to be very foul...
But I actually switched back to flower mainly for increased effects, there's some actives that concentrates just don't capture...
Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO
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I find the smell from "cleaning" a vxn in the evo to be very foul...
But I actually switched back to flower mainly for increased effects, there's some actives that concentrates just don't capture...
aj0125
Well-Known Member
Very true, I was surprised how gross it smells and rarely use mine for that exact reason.
100% agree on the effect of flowers vs concentrate. The problem is my tolerance is insane so it takes me a very long time to get there with flowers but the destination is always more pleasant.
almost positive it goes void
masterllama7
New Member
Hey guys,
First time poster, longer time lurker.
I spent over $1000 on the cloud evo this past summer, buying two hydratubes, stands, and a travel case as well.
When I got the vape, I was pretty disappointed with its performance. I wasn't getting very big clouds, and the hits weren't hitting very hard. I felt almost embarrassed I had spent this much, especially comparing against my friend's volcano (which isn't exactly known for huge clouds either).
Well a few days ago, I started grinding the weed much more finely. I was shocked by the huge difference because I never knew that grind quality was so important. I started getting HUGE clouds that looked almost like bong hits, even on low temperatures. The hits were so much bigger, and I was always left with vaped weed that looked nearly black, almost like dark coffee grounds.
The difference was absolutely huge, it felt like two different vaporizers. I wish I had known this earlier when I first got the vaporizer. Why don't they emphasize grind quality in the instructions or in a "troubleshoot" section?
BTW, here's a link to the finishing grinder I'm using. Apparently it's the same one that comes with the MFLB. http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Flight-Finishing-Grinder-Natural/dp/B00GNKFOUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417597779&sr=8-1&keywords=finishing grinder
Here's a picture of the remains:
http://i.imgur.com/1ZQyrht.jpg
First time poster, longer time lurker.
I spent over $1000 on the cloud evo this past summer, buying two hydratubes, stands, and a travel case as well.
When I got the vape, I was pretty disappointed with its performance. I wasn't getting very big clouds, and the hits weren't hitting very hard. I felt almost embarrassed I had spent this much, especially comparing against my friend's volcano (which isn't exactly known for huge clouds either).
Well a few days ago, I started grinding the weed much more finely. I was shocked by the huge difference because I never knew that grind quality was so important. I started getting HUGE clouds that looked almost like bong hits, even on low temperatures. The hits were so much bigger, and I was always left with vaped weed that looked nearly black, almost like dark coffee grounds.
The difference was absolutely huge, it felt like two different vaporizers. I wish I had known this earlier when I first got the vaporizer. Why don't they emphasize grind quality in the instructions or in a "troubleshoot" section?
BTW, here's a link to the finishing grinder I'm using. Apparently it's the same one that comes with the MFLB. http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Flight-Finishing-Grinder-Natural/dp/B00GNKFOUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417597779&sr=8-1&keywords=finishing grinder
Here's a picture of the remains:
http://i.imgur.com/1ZQyrht.jpg
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SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
Glad to hear you are having success and thank you for the feedback!!! I stopped using my MFLB before the Finishing Grinder was introduced; they had a Nano Grinder or something of the sort out that was designed to fit into the top, but I never purchased it. FYI none of these grinders ever "came with" the MFLB, they are optional accessories just like the Power Adapter or Orbiter. Personally - I just used my cheapo Sharpstone upside down for a bit, then flipped it over and finished the grind to get it to drop into the storage chamber. The MFLB wanted a REALLY fine grind for me to get the most I could out of it- and I never had as dialed a hitting technique as many MFLB'ers perfect with time....
With my Cloud EVO, I picked up a Santa Cruz Shredder after reading a ton of positive feedback from various vaporists with this particular grinder. Mine is 2.75" diameter, and it produces perfect consistency fill for joints. The EVO seems to be happy with it, but sometimes I wonder if I got too big a model because my grind isn't very fine, does the Small have any finer of grind? I have used my old Sharpstone upside down to get a little finer of a grind for the Evo on a few different strains and it did *seem* to produce a bit milkier vapor at 12' than my Shredder with no tom foolery.... *SEEM* being key for my medicated mind...
I use a clean pokey to gently poke the Shredder's output into the EZLB, otherwise, it doesn't get all the way 'in'. And I don't want to 'pack" it down and potentially over-fill it becuause that can lead to reduced airflow and cloud production as well. I shoot to fill it half full, to give the cap a little breathing room - is this sound thinking or is there a more efficient fill? What's the best approach to getting the EZLB loaded correctly? Once I came across my gentle prod/poke method, I forgot to keep experimenting...
With my Cloud EVO, I picked up a Santa Cruz Shredder after reading a ton of positive feedback from various vaporists with this particular grinder. Mine is 2.75" diameter, and it produces perfect consistency fill for joints. The EVO seems to be happy with it, but sometimes I wonder if I got too big a model because my grind isn't very fine, does the Small have any finer of grind? I have used my old Sharpstone upside down to get a little finer of a grind for the Evo on a few different strains and it did *seem* to produce a bit milkier vapor at 12' than my Shredder with no tom foolery.... *SEEM* being key for my medicated mind...
I use a clean pokey to gently poke the Shredder's output into the EZLB, otherwise, it doesn't get all the way 'in'. And I don't want to 'pack" it down and potentially over-fill it becuause that can lead to reduced airflow and cloud production as well. I shoot to fill it half full, to give the cap a little breathing room - is this sound thinking or is there a more efficient fill? What's the best approach to getting the EZLB loaded correctly? Once I came across my gentle prod/poke method, I forgot to keep experimenting...
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Cannabis Connoisseur
I LOVE LIFE
A little turns into alot with the EVO. Load small amounts like a quarter of the elb, or enough tho cover the bottom of the elb. Airflow is essential, also try pulling softly for like the first two secs then rip it. If you try these couple of things you'll soon discover the satisfaction I've turned into daily ritual. The Evo is awesome however does require a bit of techniqueGlad to hear you are having success and thank you for the feedback!!! I stopped using my MFLB before the Finishing Grinder was introduced; they had a Nano Grinder or something of the sort out that was designed to fit into the top, but I never purchased it. FYI none of these grinders ever "came with" the MFLB, they are optional accessories just like the Power Adapter or Orbiter. Personally - I just used my cheapo Sharpstone upside down for a bit, then flipped it over and finished the grind to get it to drop into the storage chamber. The MFLB wanted a REALLY fine grind for me to get the most I could out of it- and I never had as dialed a hitting technique as many MFLB'ers perfect with time....
With my Cloud EVO, I picked up a Santa Cruz Shredder after reading a ton of positive feedback from various vaporists with this particular grinder. Mine is 2.75" diameter, and it produces perfect consistency fill for joints. The EVO seems to be happy with it, but sometimes I wonder if I got too big a model because my grind isn't very fine, does the Small have any finer of grind? I have used my old Sharpstone upside down to get a little finer of a grind for the Evo on a few different strains and it did *seem* to produce a bit milkier vapor at 12' than my Shredder with no tom foolery.... *SEEM* being key for my medicated mind...
I use a clean pokey to gently poke the Shredder's output into the EZLB, otherwise, it doesn't get all the way 'in'. And I don't want to 'pack" it down and potentially over-fill it becuause that can lead to reduced airflow and cloud production as well. I shoot to fill it half full, to give the cap a little breathing room - is this sound thinking or is there a more efficient fill? What's the best approach to getting the EZLB loaded correctly? Once I came across my gentle prod/poke method, I forgot to keep experimenting...
solodolo420
Well-Known Member
When I first got my solo, it ripped immediately and I knew I got the right vape, however I also had a santa cruz shredder before I bought it which could have made a slight difference.
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
Never noticed the Cloud/+/Evo neeeded to be used with a particular grinder like the SCS. I have always had positive experiences, regardless of what brand grinder was used.
solodolo420
Well-Known Member
I think as long as the grinder gets the job done, it doesn't matter what type you have.Never noticed the Cloud/+/Evo neeeded to be used with a particular grinder like the SCS. I have always had positive experiences, regardless of what brand grinder was used.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
A few thoughts . . .
@masterllama7 & @SamuraiSam - fwiw I use both a large Space Case grinder and the small Santa Cruz Shredder. The Space Case delivers a finer grind, but the SCS a more fluffy result. I adjust the load size depending on the quality/condition of the flowers. Sometimes a very small load, but only for higher quality. Ordinarily I spoon the grind into the ELB to about half-way and then gently tap the bottom on the table a couple times, which doesn't pack it down and results in about a 1/3 fill. I've also found that the glass I use can be deceptive, e.g., using the HydraLine alone the vapor never looks very dense because it is passing quickly and straight thru the tube, but if I put the HL on top of the HydraFoot 2.0 (water in HF, ice only in HL - fantastic), the vapor accumulates in the HF can and gets thick.
Re using the EVO inverted as previously discussed - I just discovered something last night using the HL/HF setup above. After I take a hit, there is apparently back-pressure created. I've seen before a very small whisp of vapor exit the inverted bottom of the bamboo, but this time I felt hot air exiting. That suggests that air heated in the bamboo's middle chamber, once the pressure of the hit is released, moves up and out the bottom opening. Since there is no insulation in the lower section of the EVO, that chamber is being exposed to the heat from the hot glass and with that, at least to some extent, so are the electronics below. IMO this not only reinforces the advice here to lift off/turn upright the EVO after each hit, but conceivably also that an extended session (e.g., in a group) could result in heat building up in the lower chamber. I am going to experiment with other inverted setups like my Ion to see if the same back-pressure hot air occurs.
And, I just received an email ad from Grasscity Forums that led me to this from vaporizerusa:
http://www.vaporizerusa.net/vapexhale-cloud-portable-vaporizer.html
At first I couldn't reconcile the $255 price ("56% off") when the same rig is $450 at the VXL site. Then I realized this was for the original Cloud (or a Plus). The description is rather strange:
It's one thing for that SOB who screwed over VXL to sell his refurbs on eBay, but now it at least appears that he (or someone else) is selling the same through retailers. Furthermore, this has got to have gone past his using extra inventory he held when the parties split up; continued production & sales means acquiring additional components and making a business off the VXL brand. It would seem the VXL apparently has no recourse to stop this unfortunate rip-off (or can't afford the horrendous legal fees to do so), certainly not good from a public relations standpoint.
@masterllama7 & @SamuraiSam - fwiw I use both a large Space Case grinder and the small Santa Cruz Shredder. The Space Case delivers a finer grind, but the SCS a more fluffy result. I adjust the load size depending on the quality/condition of the flowers. Sometimes a very small load, but only for higher quality. Ordinarily I spoon the grind into the ELB to about half-way and then gently tap the bottom on the table a couple times, which doesn't pack it down and results in about a 1/3 fill. I've also found that the glass I use can be deceptive, e.g., using the HydraLine alone the vapor never looks very dense because it is passing quickly and straight thru the tube, but if I put the HL on top of the HydraFoot 2.0 (water in HF, ice only in HL - fantastic), the vapor accumulates in the HF can and gets thick.
Re using the EVO inverted as previously discussed - I just discovered something last night using the HL/HF setup above. After I take a hit, there is apparently back-pressure created. I've seen before a very small whisp of vapor exit the inverted bottom of the bamboo, but this time I felt hot air exiting. That suggests that air heated in the bamboo's middle chamber, once the pressure of the hit is released, moves up and out the bottom opening. Since there is no insulation in the lower section of the EVO, that chamber is being exposed to the heat from the hot glass and with that, at least to some extent, so are the electronics below. IMO this not only reinforces the advice here to lift off/turn upright the EVO after each hit, but conceivably also that an extended session (e.g., in a group) could result in heat building up in the lower chamber. I am going to experiment with other inverted setups like my Ion to see if the same back-pressure hot air occurs.
And, I just received an email ad from Grasscity Forums that led me to this from vaporizerusa:
http://www.vaporizerusa.net/vapexhale-cloud-portable-vaporizer.html
At first I couldn't reconcile the $255 price ("56% off") when the same rig is $450 at the VXL site. Then I realized this was for the original Cloud (or a Plus). The description is rather strange:
It's one thing for that SOB who screwed over VXL to sell his refurbs on eBay, but now it at least appears that he (or someone else) is selling the same through retailers. Furthermore, this has got to have gone past his using extra inventory he held when the parties split up; continued production & sales means acquiring additional components and making a business off the VXL brand. It would seem the VXL apparently has no recourse to stop this unfortunate rip-off (or can't afford the horrendous legal fees to do so), certainly not good from a public relations standpoint.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
And, I just received an email ad from Grasscity Forums that led me to this from vaporizerusa:
http://www.vaporizerusa.net/vapexhale-cloud-portable-vaporizer.html
At first I couldn't reconcile the $255 price ("56% off") when the same rig is $450 at the VXL site. Then I realized this was for the original Cloud (or a Plus). The description is rather strange:
It's one thing for that SOB who screwed over VXL to sell his refurbs on eBay, but now it at least appears that he (or someone else) is selling the same through retailers. Furthermore, this has got to have gone past his using extra inventory he held when the parties split up; continued production & sales means acquiring additional components and making a business off the VXL brand. It would seem the VXL apparently has no recourse to stop this unfortunate rip-off (or can't afford the horrendous legal fees to do so), certainly not good from a public relations standpoint.
That's fucked up, right there. They also have the Evo on their site. I gave them a call and got a recording during normal business hours. I will try again later. Either they are ignorant to the situation or trying to pull a fast one. My money is on the former and I'll bet they don't even know that the warranty won't be honored.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
The oil dabs clean on the VXN, right, and you only notice an odor when you crank the heat to clean it after your hit?
With a torch, you are cleaning the nail with every heating... you don't smell the residue burn off as the tane flame kills everything. Since you aren't using a torch you smell the burn off on the VXN.
*Edit: @Silver420Surfer True that no matter what grinder or method I've used the Cloud Evo tastes amazing and works great. I wonder if the SCS's fluffier fill makes for any different of an extraction or efficiency. Maybe not in reality, my wallet wants to think there's a difference though.
Thanks for the tips on elb loading @oldiebutgoodie , @Cannabis Connoisseur - I'm going even smaller with my loads!
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Cannabis Connoisseur
I LOVE LIFE
Also try that soft pull for 2 secs then rip it hard watch the CLOUDS!!The oil dabs clean on the VXN, right, and you only notice an odor when you crank the heat to clean it after your hit?
With a torch, you are cleaning the nail with every heating... you don't smell the residue burn off as the tane flame kills everything. Since you aren't using a torch you smell the burn off on the VXN.
*Edit: @Silver420Surfer True that no matter what grinder or method I've used the Cloud Evo tastes amazing and works great. I wonder if the SCS's fluffier fill makes for any different of an extraction or efficiency. Maybe not in reality, my wallet wants to think there's a difference though.
Thanks for the tips on elb loading @oldiebutgoodie , @Cannabis Connoisseur - I'm going even smaller with my loads!
One of my friends who owns an Evo and I were discussing this. I forget the scientific term but basically the oil residues get hot enough to carbonize and harden on. I can't speak to the quart vxns but the normal glass ones are very prone to carbon buildup which smells and tastes awful whn heated. The only thing I know how to do to take care of it is pbw but I do not have any vxns so I can not confirm.
Enchantre
Oil Painter
PBW seems basically useless for this.
I've tried boiling water, PBW, in a sonic cleaner. For almost an hour (with short breaks)... nada. I think tolerance or q-tips are the only solution at this point. I've never been able to bring myself to "torching" them clean, either. Too scary.
Carbon is difficult to remove because it is inert to most chemicals. You are therefore reduced to mechanical methods (elbow grease and abrasives, in other words) or expensive chemical cleaners like Carbon-Off (which don't always work without mechanical help).
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
I've torched the glass vxnails many times with success, but did manage to deform one a bit. This was with a Vector torch. I'm sure the quartz ones will maintain shape regardless of the amounts of butane thrown at it, and in doing so clean up much quicker, but been holding off because of the pricing.
And the thing looks and smells like a preschool toilet when cleaning... I'll be tuning in to see other methods of how people clean these, as I think I'd use them much more if it didn't seem like such a chore.
And the thing looks and smells like a preschool toilet when cleaning... I'll be tuning in to see other methods of how people clean these, as I think I'd use them much more if it didn't seem like such a chore.
masterllama7
New Member
I also use a Santa Cruz Shredder grinder for my initial grind, but the finishing grinder is still helping a lot for me. Also, I've noticed you can fit a lot more herb into the bowl the finer you grind it. I can get nearly half a gram while filling only 1/2 to 3/4 of the bowl.
theCerberus
Well-Known Member
The top is mainly reclaim/caked reclaim and can be easily scraped with ISO and some wooden skewer sticks.
The bottom residue builds every dab. The only way I can clean it is to burn it off every dab. Otherwise it tastes like nasty residue on the next dab.
The max I can handle is 2 in a row without burn off. 3rd is just too nasty.
how is it practical to use PBW for the bottom nail residue after every dab?
If I've only got 2 nails I've got to wait 2 days to do 2 more dabs?
Theres got to be a better way!
A wicking system, like ceramic disc or fritted disc or metal wool would be some options...
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
I just use a metal tool (wax carving) to scrape the carbon off the side of the VXN, wipe with iso soaked q tip, and repeat a few times. I only do this when the buildup gets noticeable, at least 30 uses/burn off cycles per nail... i never counted... Smaller loads build up carbon slower.
With quartz nails you can torch till red then drop water on them to clean. This seems to thermaly shock them and causes the carbon to separate from the quartz. Can this be done with a Quartz VXN or will it break?
With quartz nails you can torch till red then drop water on them to clean. This seems to thermaly shock them and causes the carbon to separate from the quartz. Can this be done with a Quartz VXN or will it break?
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solodolo420
Well-Known Member
What's the best way to clean inside the bamboo? There was a piece that must have gotten out from the screen that fell into the bamboo which caused it to start on fire and had to scrape it out but I would like to make sure it is clean. I really don't want to break an expensive vape like this and be vapeless while it gets repaired.