Discontinued The Timber Elite by Vapwood

[VoidOfCourse]

Thanks for all the work here. Good to know what people want. My job is to make people realize that getting 8 sessions on old Samsung 30Q's is not a bogus claim with the Elite. A fully charged (but about 2 years old) battery will give me approximately 8 sessions. I drive the battery down to about 5% sometimes without any noticeable difference in performance. I feel drying out the weed and grinding probably helps efficiency a hair (weed needn't be dried by the vape). I do this routinely on about 8 batteries I have in rotation for a really long time (over 2 years). I charge with a 4 battery charger about every 3 or 4 days. I guess I go through 1 to 1.5 batteries in a day, at the most. I must average about 10 tubes a day. This is my personal routine, and it works really well. Driving batteries down to 5% or 10% seems to have no negative impact on the Samsungs.

Vapor is rapid, as the instaHeat does just that - heats instantly. Preheat gives the coil an initial boost, then allows wattage to drop dramatically during each pull. The DNA board is truly a remarkable battery management system. I wish I could invest in Evolv!!!

The most frustrating thing about being a vape builder, is sometimes nailing a build. The Timber Elite is that build, and I just wanna share it with the world, yell it off the roof tops. Performance, in this stacked format, with vent hole placement through a half inch of solid walnut, has reached a consistent smoothness that sets it apart. The coil needed a big house to really cook, and the Timber provides just that. I was surprised as anybody, as I never thought I'd put my LB Elite down. Timber Elite is truly that full sized luxury sedan - Vapwood's Bentley.

No problem, sir.

Yup, I just think some people haven't had the pleasure of experiencing the combination of the DNA75C chip and Insta Heat Coil Technology being embedded in all wood under normal or optimal conditions, it's a game changer in the battery life realm amongst others IMO.

Also agree with the dried fine grind making it much easier for the vape to do it's magic in this matter and will also improve evenness of material roasting and minimize hot-spotting. I almost always start grinding upside down for a bit in my SLX to get a finer grind and when I get drier herb it noticeably improves the experience vs taking 1-2 hits to get it really going. In the future I'll invest in a grinder with a fine plate and something to enhance moisture control.

Add these things and I already know 8 sessions is definitely doable if not imminent especially with normal sized packs in temp mode as the DNA75C and insta coil will get up to temp very quickly till the last legs of a battery life cycle IME.

 

[Bravesst]

Let's sell some Elites: - PM me for pricing or with an offer, first come first serve

I need to generate some capitol for some (many) R & D purchases, as well as DNA boards, tubes, buttons

These bad boys are assembled and ready to ship Monday. All they need is to be final buffed and packed. All programming is complete. Both Timbers were assembled with the latest techniques, and it shows in their low cold ohms at .29. These are not prototypes, but early builds that change fast with improvements. The LB Elite was assembled with the last batch and wound up homeless because of a clerical error.

Timber Elite Black n Tan (blended walnut / maple bottom, walnut top / back plate / cover plate)

Lil' Bud Elite Waple (blended walnut and maple body, walnut cover plate, maple back plate)

Timber Elite Cherry / Walnut (walnut cover plate / top section / back plate - cherry bottom)

Group Pic

 

[Bravesst]

Still in R & D mode...

Did anyone say shrinkage? Let's see how it performs compared to his 6 inch brother. I have to say, I like the way this is built. All soldered connections, no more ring connectors even at the battery terminals. Lots of 14 gauge wire between board and coil, keeping things nice and cool. Eliminating ring connectors allowed me to wire differently, shrink things a bit. At most I may have to take an 1/8 of an inch or so back, but no more. I'm using it right now, and it is performing nicely after a little programming adjustment.

5.5 inches tall / 46 mm wide / 29 mm thick

 

[nonbeliever]

I’m excited to report I have received my maple/walnut Timber Elite and thought I’d share some initial reactions (EDIT: promised vapeporn)

My LB family lined up so you can see the differences in width

Front view for height

Happy family!

LB Elite Grip

LB Classic grip

Timber Elite grip

Size. I find the height of it to be much less of an issue than I expected. It certainly would make folks take a second look if was in the front pocket of my pants, though it fits fine in a back pocket (T-shirt over it). Was nice to try while out walking the dogs (or did I walk them as an excuse to take it outside... hmmmm).

Handhold. @beyond6strings, I think this will very, very nicely help you with some of your bouts of hand-hell. One of the immediate things I noticed is because of the length, I have many more options on HOW to hold it, and easily adjust to use a specific finger for firing it. I really like the smaller grip size, it is very comfortable - and is easier to be comfortable with. The button placement in the center is awesome.. though immediately, slightly confusing after the Classic/LBE as daily drivers for so long. That said, I’ll be over it in about... 10 minutes.

Performance. Having one of the earliest LBEs, one thing I notice is that this is “tighter performance”. What I mean by that - the DNA chip is much better tuned than on my LBE.. it does run much cooler... I’ll have to see how I like that over time. I like how the wood on the LB’s gets warm... which this does not. And it really is smooth.

And it came in a cool little hemp sack.... thanks so much MIke!

 

[beyond6strings]

I’m excited to report I have received my maple/walnut Timber Elite and thought I’d share some initial reactions (I promise to post some vapeporn later).

Size. I find the height of it to be much less of an issue than I expected. It certainly would make folks take a second look if was in the front pocket of my pants, though it fits fine in a back pocket (T-shirt over it). Was nice to try while out walking the dogs (or did I walk them as an excuse to take it outside... hmmmm).

Handhold. @beyond6strings, I think this will very, very nicely help you with some of your bouts of hand-hell. One of the immediate things I noticed is because of the length, I have many more options on HOW to hold it, and easily adjust to use a specific finger for firing it. I really like the smaller grip size (I’ll post a shot of the Classic/LBE and TE later), it is very comfortable - and is easier be comfortable with. The button placement in the center is awesome.. though immediately, slightly confusing after the Class/LBE as daily drivers for so long. That said, I’ll be over it in about... 10 minutes.

Performance. Having one of the earliest LBEs, one thing I notice is that this is “tighter performance”. What I mean by that - the DNA chip is much better tuned than on my LBE.. it does run much cooler... I’ll have to see how I like that over time. I like how the wood on the LB’s gets warm... which this does not. And it really is smooth.

And it came in a cool little hemp sack.... thanks so much MIke!

Thanks for the in-depth update. And for thinking of me while doing so.

Heading out to the Finger Lakes this weekend-I'll make sure to place an order when I get back-because this is exactly what I've been waiting to hear.

Cheers

 

[Mr. Me2]

Still in R & D mode...

Did anyone say shrinkage? Let's see how it performs compared to his 6 inch brother. I have to say, I like the way this is built. All soldered connections, no more ring connectors even at the battery terminals. Lots of 14 gauge wire between board and coil, keeping things nice and cool. Eliminating ring connectors allowed me to wire differently, shrink things a bit. At most I may have to take an 1/8 of an inch or so back, but no more. I'm using it right now, and it is performing nicely after a little programming adjustment.

5.5 inches tall / 46 mm wide / 29 mm thick

I support shrinkage.

(I know... I know)

 

[VoidOfCourse]

I’m excited to report I have received my maple/walnut Timber Elite and thought I’d share some initial reactions (EDIT: promised vapeporn)

My LB family lined up so you can see the differences in width

Front view for height

Happy family!

LB Elite Grip

LB Classic grip

Timber Elite grip

Size. I find the height of it to be much less of an issue than I expected. It certainly would make folks take a second look if was in the front pocket of my pants, though it fits fine in a back pocket (T-shirt over it). Was nice to try while out walking the dogs (or did I walk them as an excuse to take it outside... hmmmm).

Handhold. @beyond6strings, I think this will very, very nicely help you with some of your bouts of hand-hell. One of the immediate things I noticed is because of the length, I have many more options on HOW to hold it, and easily adjust to use a specific finger for firing it. I really like the smaller grip size, it is very comfortable - and is easier to be comfortable with. The button placement in the center is awesome.. though immediately, slightly confusing after the Classic/LBE as daily drivers for so long. That said, I’ll be over it in about... 10 minutes.

Performance. Having one of the earliest LBEs, one thing I notice is that this is “tighter performance”. What I mean by that - the DNA chip is much better tuned than on my LBE.. it does run much cooler... I’ll have to see how I like that over time. I like how the wood on the LB’s gets warm... which this does not. And it really is smooth.

And it came in a cool little hemp sack.... thanks so much MIke!

Congrats on that amazing looking Timber Elite, @nonbeliever!
Excellent post! Thanks for sharing such awesome thoughts and photos.

Let's sell some Elites: - PM me for pricing or with an offer, first come first serve

I need to generate some capitol for some (many) R & D purchases, as well as DNA boards, tubes, buttons

These bad boys are assembled and ready to ship Monday. All they need is to be final buffed and packed. All programming is complete. Both Timbers were assembled with the latest techniques, and it shows in their low cold ohms at .29. These are not prototypes, but early builds that change fast with improvements. The LB Elite was assembled with the last batch and wound up homeless because of a clerical error.

Timber Elite Black n Tan (blended walnut / maple bottom, walnut top / back plate / cover plate)

Lil' Bud Elite Waple (blended walnut and maple body, walnut cover plate, maple back plate)

Timber Elite Cherry / Walnut (walnut cover plate / top section / back plate - cherry bottom)

Group Pic

Still in R & D mode...

Did anyone say shrinkage? Let's see how it performs compared to his 6 inch brother. I have to say, I like the way this is built. All soldered connections, no more ring connectors even at the battery terminals. Lots of 14 gauge wire between board and coil, keeping things nice and cool. Eliminating ring connectors allowed me to wire differently, shrink things a bit. At most I may have to take an 1/8 of an inch or so back, but no more. I'm using it right now, and it is performing nicely after a little programming adjustment.

5.5 inches tall / 46 mm wide / 29 mm thick

Extraordinary work! You even crafted a smaller one around the same time already, you're a machine! So cool.

 

[Bravesst]

I’m excited to report I have received my maple/walnut Timber Elite and thought I’d share some initial reactions (EDIT: promised vapeporn)

My LB family lined up so you can see the differences in width

Front view for height

Happy family!

LB Elite Grip

LB Classic grip

Timber Elite grip

Size. I find the height of it to be much less of an issue than I expected. It certainly would make folks take a second look if was in the front pocket of my pants, though it fits fine in a back pocket (T-shirt over it). Was nice to try while out walking the dogs (or did I walk them as an excuse to take it outside... hmmmm).

Handhold. @beyond6strings, I think this will very, very nicely help you with some of your bouts of hand-hell. One of the immediate things I noticed is because of the length, I have many more options on HOW to hold it, and easily adjust to use a specific finger for firing it. I really like the smaller grip size, it is very comfortable - and is easier to be comfortable with. The button placement in the center is awesome.. though immediately, slightly confusing after the Classic/LBE as daily drivers for so long. That said, I’ll be over it in about... 10 minutes.

Performance. Having one of the earliest LBEs, one thing I notice is that this is “tighter performance”. What I mean by that - the DNA chip is much better tuned than on my LBE.. it does run much cooler... I’ll have to see how I like that over time. I like how the wood on the LB’s gets warm... which this does not. And it really is smooth.

And it came in a cool little hemp sack.... thanks so much MIke!

This is one of the best posts I've had the pleasure of reading in the 2 years I've been building vapes. Up to this point, I'm the only Timber E user, and the frustration of wanting to share the experience is now less. Dialed in, smoother, versatile, is what I've been saying. Pairing board to battery with coil on top is a winner.

Report on shrunken Timber
Brought it in at 5.5. The bottom section is good to go, might even be able to shrink another mm or so. The top section will probably benefit beefing up about 3 mm's (from 46 to 49), and that's the plan. We are actually shooting for a final dimensions of 5 5/8 x 1 3/4 x 1 1/8. I think once Timber gets in enough hands, the cheaper price and stellar performance will become common knowledge.

It's modular, meaning I can pretty much assemble it in 3 parts. The coil gets wired up and installed in the top section, which is first cut to size and bored out. After coil installation I can set the top section aside until final assembly. The DNA board and cover plate get paired and partially wired with battery terminal wiring, screen and buttons. The main body gets cut to size, two mortises cut. The space between the mortises is relatively wide open as the coil and very pure, super isolated air path are perched up top. I believe that isolation of the coil and air path from the rest of the unit, as well as providing it with a beefy wood housing, is what is responsible for the enhanced smoothness and performance of the board. I can design a housing that is based solely on performance without the space restrictions of board and battery.

@nonbeliever mentioned the Timber being dialed in. One of the things I've noticed is how quickly I can program the unit after uploading the Elite software. Cold ohms and TCR come together so quickly to deliver that smooth hit you speak of. Very perceptive review that backs up everything I experience.

As the builder and seller, I realize my positive reviews are bound to be considered bias, and that's why customer reviews are so important. With Timber Elite I think we've hit another level once again, as there has been a jump in performance with each new build - LB Classic , LB Elite, Timber Elite. Nice thing about Timber is the price actually dropped due to the easier build process. I want to shout this from rooftops and build Timber Elites every day!

 

[Bravesst]

REPORT ON SHORTY
I am impressed and it's rapid, literally vaporizes in seconds - very nice. The coil to tube distance has shrunk (I broke my golden rule of 10 mm down to about a heavy quarter inch or 7 mm). I did this to save space, but I wasn't sure if I could. I knew it wasn't feasible in the LB Classic, as there is no way to turn down the heat. I've set it on 26 watts in Booster mode and it is cool, easy to tame, and an ABV ring very close to the edge with no apparent hot spot. I think the closer distance is faster, not hotter. Quicker at extracting everything both in the on demand sense, and completing the session sense, as well as less need for stirring sense - just stronger, but at low wattage (26) still pleasantly smooth, and I haven't touched the vape or adjusted the watts. Jury is still out here, as there are lots of factors, even one bud to the next, but good testing day.

I changed to a hand shredder post drying my herb out. My electric herb grinder was just too easy to take too far. I have to say, so far so good on a four piece Cali grinder for under $20. I read some good reviews and I'm happy with it. I like the air flow I'm getting, as well as the nice even burn.

CONCLUSION
I plan to take back 1/8 of an inch and increase the height of the coil chamber. I may be able to offset a mm of this in the lower section but no more. I think the extra mm or so will cushion an inexperienced or inattentive user, and still not hamper full potential.

side note: This is why I wanted to keep Timber Elite in this thread. I need the feedback, support of my Elite community to help the Timber evolve to its full potential.

 

[P.A.M.]

Pam Production’s The Lil’ Bud Elite vIdEo

Shout out to @VoidOfCourse , @el sargantano , @nonbeliever and JMH in closing remarks . Vaping starts around 5:00mins in...

Congrats on your 1st “ out in the wild “ Timber Elite @nonbeliever ! Beautiful Vapwood collection line my friend !

Vape on!

 

[Bravesst]

Good morning all, another great video @P.A.M. I need to put a Timber in your hands my friend, and it will stay cool. I lean heavily on that button at very low wattage, and the result is just incredible.

Now, I have a dilemma - I have a real need to put Timbers in all your hands. @nonbeliever 's review was so on the money and in line with what I've found to be true that my confidence in the Timber selling itself once it's out there has grown exponentially. I want to simply assemble new Timbers, but can't be popping a hundred dollars worth of parts into unsold units. I do have a couple fully assembled, albeit 6 inches in height. Another 5.5 inch unit will also be thrown into this category of early builds that need to move.

TIMBER SALES
A) $200 BB (add $10 per battery / $25 per tube / $10 per glass insert / $10 shipping domestic) across the board for 3 prebuilt 6 inch tall Timbers (one has been my DD), that is a $69 dollar savings.

B) Website Coupon Code: TimberCool saves 25% on all Timber purchases - you will probably never see this price again, and I'm not sure how long it'll last, but I feel this may be the best way to get this party started

 

[Monk Debate]

Now, I have a dilemma - I have a real need to put Timbers in all your hands. @nonbeliever 's review was so on the money and in line with what I've found to be true that my confidence in the Timber selling itself once it's out there has grown exponentially. I want to simply assemble new Timbers, but can't be popping a hundred dollars worth of parts into unsold units. I do have a couple fully assembled, albeit 6 inches in height. Another 5.5 inch unit will also be thrown into this category of early builds that need to move.

TIMBER SALES
A) $200 BB (add $10 per battery / $25 per tube / $10 per glass insert / $10 shipping domestic) across the board for 3 prebuilt 6 inch tall Timbers (one has been my DD), that is a $69 dollar savings.

Well I couldn’t pass up that price, especially with the positive user report! Black and Tan Timber Elite barebones ordered. I will write back after I get some time to test it out.

 

[sickstreak]

Man I am sooo torn right now on what to do but to just simply wait because I've wanted an LBE for so long but now that I see the Timber is getting shrunk down to like 5.5 inches I'm back to square one. The pics of the grip sizes steer me towards the timber cause I have decently smell-medium hands and would have easier time gripping the timber. Although my initial impression of the Timber was overlooked by the height, now knowing it's being shrunk makes me second guess lol I want one of these so bad I'm on this thread like a hawk.

 

[nonbeliever]

@Monk Debate, congrats and welcome to the club. That’s a great looking vape. I’ll look forward to your impressions!

@minh533 I’ll see if I can help you out, or make it worse.

After a weekend with the TE, I absolutely love it. To me, the height is a trade off for the handgrip that doesn’t bother me that much. I really like the firing button location, in fact, if I was getting an LBE again I would have the button plate reversed so the fire button was up top.

It’s a little thing, but I also really like the way you remove the battery cover, quick little down push to remove. Flick of the thumb and it is off.

It is very portable. I use it at home, fits fine in back pocket if walking the dogs, and under front seat of car. (I didn’t use it in the car mind you of course, just travel between locations). yep. and can be recharged plugged into a car USB power port.

It is not stealth. It is not front pocketable (however, does fit in cargo pant side pocket, even with roasting tube).

As mike suggested, it does seem to me to have a better battery life than either the LB Elite or the Classic. I’ve been using it *very* heavily all weekend, by myself and with others, and I just swapped in a third battery. That’s basically one battery a day under (even for me) very heavy usage.

I was finally able to get the oven wood warm - a very long session - the top (walnut) got warm around where the coil is (felt good I might add), but none of that heat was noticeable in the lower, maple section.

Usage wise, I started off in default TC mode (400 degrees), but pretty quickly changed over to Booster mode, which is also my preference on the LB Elite. Default on the TE had Booster mode at 27 watts. At 27 Watts it pretty well milked the herb dry to a nice golden brown AVB. I however, prefer a bit more aggressive vaping, and have been playing around between 29 and 30 watts for a little bit bigger/quicker blast.

For me at least, the TE is rockin’ It. There is no doubt the TE is already my daily driver.

 

[Monk Debate]

@Monk Debate, congrats and welcome to the club. That’s a great looking vape. I’ll look forward to your impressions!

@minh533 I’ll see if I can help you out, or make it worse.

After a weekend with the TE, I absolutely love it. To me, the height is a trade off for the handgrip that doesn’t bother me that much. I really like the firing button location, in fact, if I was getting an LBE again I would have the button plate reversed so the fire button was up top.

It’s a little thing, but I also really like the way you remove the battery cover, quick little down push to remove. Flick of the thumb and it is off.

It is very portable. I use it at home, fits fine in back pocket if walking the dogs, and under front seat of car. (I didn’t use it in the car mind you of course, just travel between locations). yep. and can be recharged plugged into a car USB power port.

It is not stealth. It is not front pocketable (however, does fit in cargo pant side pocket, even with roasting tube).

As mike suggested, it does seem to me to have a better battery life than either the LB Elite or the Classic. I’ve been using it *very* heavily all weekend, by myself and with others, and I just swapped in a third battery. That’s basically one battery a day under (even for me) very heavy usage.

I was finally able to get the oven wood warm - a very long session - the top (walnut) got warm around where the coil is (felt good I might add), but none of that heat was noticeable in the lower, maple section.

Usage wise, I started off in default TC mode (400 degrees), but pretty quickly changed over to Booster mode, which is also my preference on the LB Elite. Default on the TE had Booster mode at 27 watts. At 27 Watts it pretty well milked the herb dry to a nice golden brown AVB. I however, prefer a bit more aggressive vaping, and have been playing around between 29 and 30 watts for a little bit bigger/quicker blast.

For me at least, the TE is rockin’ It. There is no doubt the TE is already my daily driver.

Thanks! I’m already anxious to try it.

How is Booster mode different from standard wattage mode? I noticed Mike using a TE on Instagram in what looked like wattage mode but may have been booster mode as well. I’m surprised because a major advantage of the DNA chips is the exceptional temp control.

 

[nonbeliever]

Thanks! I’m already anxious to try it.

How is Booster mode different from standard wattage mode? I noticed Mike using a TE on Instagram in what looked like wattage mode but may have been booster mode as well. I’m surprised because a major advantage of the DNA chips is the exceptional temp control.

If I understand correctly (some of our professional vapists on here please correct me), under boost mode, when you press the fire button, the chip gives an initial (1 or 2 seconds I think) of wattage around 20% over the programmed wattage. So at 30 watts, when I fire the vape switch it gives me an initial 36 watts (if my math is right), then reverts back to 30 watts for the duration. I find that initial, immediate surge almost preheats the bowl and gives me more of the blast I like.

 

[Monk Debate]

If I understand correctly (some of our professional vapists on here please correct me), under boost mode, when you press the fire button, the chip gives an initial (1 or 2 seconds I think) of wattage around 20% over the programmed wattage. So at 30 watts, when I fire the vape switch it gives me an initial 36 watts (if my math is right), then reverts back to 30 watts for the duration. I find that initial, immediate surge almost preheats the bowl and gives me more of the blast I like.

Ah ha! That makes sense. I feel like you could potentially program the TC mode with a preheat as well with DNA chips. I’ll have to look more closely at it when mine arrives.

 

[VoidOfCourse]

Pam Production’s The Lil’ Bud Elite vIdEo

Shout out to @VoidOfCourse , @el sargantano , @nonbeliever and JMH in closing remarks . Vaping starts around 5:00mins in...

Congrats on your 1st “ out in the wild “ Timber Elite @nonbeliever ! Beautiful Vapwood collection line my friend !

Vape on!

Thank you so very much for the shout out my friend, it means a lot to me!!!!!

<3

 

[Bravesst]

Another monster day in the shop, slowed down because I'm still in R & D mode, tweaking Timber specs today. I shrunk the lower section another 1/8, but added 3/16 to the top. We grew by a couple of mm's total. I took two units to pre-assembly, only pre-assembled Timber has the coil already installed.

Some Changes
1. I'm using #6 x 1.25" ss wood screws to hold the top and bottom half together (screw up from both compartments). The screw passes through a half inch of the top section ceiling, that leaves 3/4" to bite, which I love. The screw is dead center, and would show up in the vent holes. I moved the vents, now there is two per side at 3/32" vs one per side at 1/8" each (total 12/32, before total was 8/32). This is an interesting change because now the vent hole moves through even more wood as it makes it's way into the lowest part of the coil chamber. I could shrink the screw length, keep a centered hole if necessary. We'll see how this works.

2. Already mentioned, we went from 5.5 inches to 5 9/16 inches tall. Took 3/16 back for the coil, dumped 1/8 for the board and battery (inconsequential as long as it fits).

I am really happy to be able to arrive at these tweaks so quickly. I'll get the two pre-assemblies fully assembled tomorrow, but things work a little differently because of the expense to build. I tend to salvage parts from previous builds. My problem is the three or four builds I have sitting on the shelf work perfectly. Hard to take apart so a great a vape, even if it is six inches tall. Glad I've sold a couple. That cash will go directly to Evolv and more boards. My dream is to have 100 boards in stock - is that normal

Note on Booster Mode: Yes, DNA chips do excel at temp control, and the cold ohms, and TCR of every unit is set to reflect, as closely as possible with dry herb, the temp you're vaping at. If you watch the graph (software) in TC mode (something I do with every vape), you can see wattage increase as you inhale (pull heat off the coil). It does an absolute stellar job at this. Booster mode can be a very low watt setting, with just a second of extra watts during the first second. This is still a very instinctual way to vape, as theoretically, combustion is possible. I love the control of everything this gives me.

 

[nonbeliever]

An interesting usage note I accidentally stumbled onto this afternoon. Because of the fire button location and the slimmer handhold, I can also turn the TE around and use my thumb to depress the fire button. Who knew?

 

[P.A.M.]

That’s funny @nonbeliever , I have a hard time visualization myself using a finger vs thumb with the Timber , glad you tried it and enjoyed . Have you ever held your LB Elite by the bottom pressing the firing button with your thumb ?

Fun fact , I find if I was using the DNA board “fingerside” with the Timber ,it would become a guitar neck finger practice tool pressing the different buttons to practice my fingering skills.

@VoidOfCourse - you the man , I appreciate your presence , kindness and attitude

@minh533 - welcome to FC . No reason to be torn , here are 3 reasons why :

1. The Timber costs less then the LB Elite and it works better. I haven’t tried it but I can tell the fact it remains cooler can only meani one thing , smoothness and taste , wait , that’s two . As nonbeliever mentions the battery door setup is much more convenient on the Timber . I had noticed that the first time Mike shared a back end pic of the Elite .

2. You mentions having average to small hands , one more reason to go for The Timber . I have big hands myself and in some ways the LB Elite is wide . The grip of the Timber should accommodate most hands.

3. Either it’s 6” or 5.5” i, doesn’t it really make a difference ? The LB Elite is just under 4” talk. We’re talking 1.5” to 2”. Is it that much a game changer to ignore point 1 & 2.

Go for it, I doubt you’ll regret it .Kind regards , hope to see more of you on the forum .

 

[Bravesst]

Timber is very much a five finger vape. The narrower width actually spins in my hand nicely. There is literally no hand fatigue from an overstretched grip, or having to hold it only one way. The longer length only affects portability, as there is no downside to the additional length when in use. To me, it's almost as if the LB Elite grew up and evolved into a Timber in the true Darwin sense of the word. Putting the coil / oven in its own section was a game changer, as far as performance enhancement. There are no restrictions on what this bad boy can do. Since I've crunched the numbers and took back every drop of extra space inside Timber, it a hair over 5.5 inches. The LB Elite stands at almost 4 inches. The average 510 device on a mod box is probably taller.

Great thing about Timber is the build design. The coil is now in a wooden housing, keeping things very even. For now, still ss foil lined, but I may build a unit without foil to test if the unit gets any hotter, but I bet it would be imperceptible. There is a full half inch of wood that each vent hole snakes through at both edges instead of a 3 mm wall between coil and battery and coil and board. The bottom section benefits as well, as there is a wide open space between the battery and board compartments, making wiring and assembly a much more straight forward process. Pretty much everything about Timber is an evolution.

I want all my current LB Elite customers to have a shot at Timber. I've put it on a mad 25% off sale and announced it only here, and can't price any lower than that. I have two more six inch Timbers that perform off the chart. I've priced them at $200.

Take a peek at the website, I've structured it differently...

MID DAY EDIT:
complete success on every level, vent holes, sizing, coil distances, battery door, cover plate, wiring, finish, blah, blah, blah... Pics later when more people will see them on a new post.

 

[Bravesst]

As promised, the fruit of today's labor - I built two, both the exact same specs. Cold ohms fell between .29 and .30 for both. TCR from .0015 to .0016 on both. That is consistency, another word for even. Programming Timbers is rapid work. This means another DD has entered the sale arena (as one of these is my new DD) - that means 3 left at $200 (two 6 inch, one 5.5 inch), all functional. Consider these units early builds that work real well, and need a loving home. The six inch black n' tan shipped today!

Pretty much the final design, at just under 5 5/8", dual vent holes. Testing to follow

 

[funkyhomer]

Alright - you’ve sold me. I’ve just placed an order. I love the concept of your product and it seems you have put a ton of thought in to it. On paper it looks like a slam dunk, I’ve heard incredible things about Alan’s products, dna based mod, runs cool, great battery life in spite of one battery, etc. this should be awesome.

Looking forward to it!

 

[Bravesst]

Happy to see a few Timber Elite sales. Very, very happy. Those of you getting in on this remarkable 25% discount are benefiting from what has to happen to convince the vaping community at large what this mega vape can do.

BATTERY LIFE
I forget how battery life is a big issue for people. As a heavy user, I remember charging batteries every day, what a freaking pain in the ass. I do have a four battery charger that gets used about every third or fourth day. I always forget to charge in the unit (old habit), but this bad boy could be plugged in and charged via USB.

Literally, my batteries are 2 years old, and used, used, used. I used to have to swap them out at 360 or 370, but with the introduction of the DNA 75c, I can routinely take my batteries below 350 - which is supposed to be bad for them. I still get about 8 sessions from these *abused* batteries. To clarify a session, it's about .1 gram (more or less). I do dry out the herb (saves battery from having to), and grind medium fine (for an even vape).

It's easy to see, when watching the Escribe software as you take a hit, what is happening with battery, and how many watts are being pulled. It's fascinating to watch the chip do its thing, with watts staying as low as possible to keep temps or power up. The battery will do this with no noticeable change in performance, down to 3.30, repeatedly, with no perceptible change in battery health.

I've been testing my latest build, and happy to report really good results. I've been able to keep settings low and pull nice vapor. It's quick, still cool, barely above room temp. The four vent holes are deep and 1/32 narrower. There is a noticeable increase in open draw, but small, and with that is coming more cloud potential (for those who love the cloud). Clouds, or noticeable exhaled vapor, are being produced because of the rapid extraction. Pulling a bit more air, through four narrow intake vents, sitting a bit lower in the chamber, can pulverize a bowl. The effect is what I like to call *freight train*. Sipping is still an option, just don't pull as hard. The beefy wood housing is the coil's best friend.

Coil to tube distances are functioning nicely, but I'm always tweaking this final spec. Right now we're at 7 mm, down from the LB Elite's 10 mm. I may take back another mm. My concern is making Timber just right for the brand new user, as well the experienced vapist.