P.A.M.
Vapo Rising
this Lil' Elite almost steals the spotlight in this new P.A.M. Production video .
Say what ? @el sargantano
Say what ? @el sargantano
Discontinued The Timber Elite by Vapwood
You gotta love @P.A.M Productions. You've come a long way, love the set with the flat table top and black background. I'm impressed. I think you found your calling. Very nice job.
PM Report
Got a bunch done today. Took 2 units to full completion, while I prepped a bit more on all 5. There was a Timber innovation incorporated into the LB Elite build - a pretty big one. All connections from board to coil are now soldered, and no more mechanical screw connections other than the battery terminals. The Timber that now serves as my DD has this feature, and might be another reason she runs so freaking cool - less metal to act as a heat sync, as 2 streamline butt connectors replace 4 ring connectors, 2 screws, 2 nuts, 2 washers, and it ultimately will make the build process a bit simpler.
I should get the rest of these units done over the weekend, and of course I will need to upload and program. I worked pretty hard today, working out the new butt connector specs took the automatic-ness out of it. That's okay, it's worth the improvement all around, and less fussing for me.
Another Haiku
Timber
Sunshiny high noon
A sawn, elite timber love
in awe of the wood
Before you guys catch on, this is from an online *haiku generator*. You put in some nouns, adjectives, verbs, and bingo, you've got a Haiku.
This is inspires me to throw up a quick coupon code: HAIKU: 10%
PM Report
Got a bunch done today. Took 2 units to full completion, while I prepped a bit more on all 5. There was a Timber innovation incorporated into the LB Elite build - a pretty big one. All connections from board to coil are now soldered, and no more mechanical screw connections other than the battery terminals. The Timber that now serves as my DD has this feature, and might be another reason she runs so freaking cool - less metal to act as a heat sync, as 2 streamline butt connectors replace 4 ring connectors, 2 screws, 2 nuts, 2 washers, and it ultimately will make the build process a bit simpler.
I should get the rest of these units done over the weekend, and of course I will need to upload and program. I worked pretty hard today, working out the new butt connector specs took the automatic-ness out of it. That's okay, it's worth the improvement all around, and less fussing for me.
Another Haiku
Timber
Sunshiny high noon
A sawn, elite timber love
in awe of the wood
Before you guys catch on, this is from an online *haiku generator*. You put in some nouns, adjectives, verbs, and bingo, you've got a Haiku.
This is inspires me to throw up a quick coupon code: HAIKU: 10%
nonbeliever
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VoidOfCourse
Well-Known Member
Leapardwood with Ziricote would probably be my preferred paired exotics out of this list.
Purple Heart would be cool but with Bloodwood though (not listed just thinking out loud here).
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I will be purchasing various woods soon, and I'm looking for a direction. I appreciate the feedback.
Anyone who wants something specific, I'd be happy to make a special purchase of exotic wood and do all the work, but only after I know the unit is sold. I made the mistake of pre-building many Classic Blends that had a hard time finding a home. Eventually, all the upgrades left those pre-assemblies in the dust, so they never made it to final assembly. That was lots of wasted effort. I don't like to build vapes that don't get sold and used.
Custom Exotics are not going to be cheap, and they won't arrive in two weeks. There will be extra work and expense involved. The way it'll work is you suggest a wood(s). I need to research it, order it, test it, quote you a price. It can't be toxic, give off an odor, or be really hard to work with. We need to go back and forth a bit on what you want.
OPTIONS
Main Body: potential blended woods
Wire Box (Top Section Timber): different or same wood, not blended
Back Plate:
Cover Plate:
Roasting Tube:
Once all this is worked out, I can begin to build...
Anyone who wants something specific, I'd be happy to make a special purchase of exotic wood and do all the work, but only after I know the unit is sold. I made the mistake of pre-building many Classic Blends that had a hard time finding a home. Eventually, all the upgrades left those pre-assemblies in the dust, so they never made it to final assembly. That was lots of wasted effort. I don't like to build vapes that don't get sold and used.
Custom Exotics are not going to be cheap, and they won't arrive in two weeks. There will be extra work and expense involved. The way it'll work is you suggest a wood(s). I need to research it, order it, test it, quote you a price. It can't be toxic, give off an odor, or be really hard to work with. We need to go back and forth a bit on what you want.
OPTIONS
Main Body: potential blended woods
Wire Box (Top Section Timber): different or same wood, not blended
Back Plate:
Cover Plate:
Roasting Tube:
Once all this is worked out, I can begin to build...
el sargantano
Well-Known Member
P.A.M.
Vapo Rising
You’re too kind @el sargantano , thank you . This happened today in other threads if of interest , Vapcap M pokes a HI log .
Thank you @nonbeliever ! Much appreciated
Thank you @nonbeliever ! Much appreciated
VoidOfCourse
Well-Known Member
Great videos @P.A.M.! 
How did you get that male supermodel to star in them?
@Sneaky Pete how's that Lil' Bud Elite treating you, friend?
How did you get that male supermodel to star in them?
@Sneaky Pete how's that Lil' Bud Elite treating you, friend?
Wondering the same thing, but I guess he's backed up. There has been some Reddit discussion on LB, which I notice every once in awhile when I see a spike in website traffic, but nothing really from IG, where he does his reviews.
When you have a quality product, I tend to get confident in the fact that people will like it and word will automatically spread. Unfortunately, that is not always the case, as the internet (today's biggest information resource) is also ripe with much misinformation. Lil' Bud has had its share of propaganda, and maybe that's a strong word for what we're talking about here, but I feel lots of it was intentional (the difference between propaganda and misinformation is the intent). I feel that is why impartial, factual reviews are crucial (thanks @P.A.M.) to the growth of Vapwood beyond this forum.
It's kind of a frustrating feeling, to have something so good, and not be able to put it in more hands, but have no fear, I love my small group of loyal customers, and will do everything I can do produce more and more innovative products, while improving the existing line up. My biggest challenge is staying liquid, building enough capitol to stay fat with stock, so I can keep building, and adding to inventory, reducing the time you have to wait for a vape. Ironically, busier means less wait time. For example, with the recent website spike, I made a couple of nice sales, but it all went immediately to Alpine Tech for DNA 75c boards. Bottom line, building Elites is expensive, with over $125 worth of parts in each unit.
I got lots of buttons, lots of boards, lots of parts. Let's shout Elite from the mountain tops!!!
When you have a quality product, I tend to get confident in the fact that people will like it and word will automatically spread. Unfortunately, that is not always the case, as the internet (today's biggest information resource) is also ripe with much misinformation. Lil' Bud has had its share of propaganda, and maybe that's a strong word for what we're talking about here, but I feel lots of it was intentional (the difference between propaganda and misinformation is the intent). I feel that is why impartial, factual reviews are crucial (thanks @P.A.M.) to the growth of Vapwood beyond this forum.
It's kind of a frustrating feeling, to have something so good, and not be able to put it in more hands, but have no fear, I love my small group of loyal customers, and will do everything I can do produce more and more innovative products, while improving the existing line up. My biggest challenge is staying liquid, building enough capitol to stay fat with stock, so I can keep building, and adding to inventory, reducing the time you have to wait for a vape. Ironically, busier means less wait time. For example, with the recent website spike, I made a couple of nice sales, but it all went immediately to Alpine Tech for DNA 75c boards. Bottom line, building Elites is expensive, with over $125 worth of parts in each unit.
I got lots of buttons, lots of boards, lots of parts. Let's shout Elite from the mountain tops!!!
beyond6strings
Just another traveller in the Cannaverse
@VoidOfCourse & @Bravesst patience. He's still waiting on the 2nd unit Mike sent him. He's excited, and also busy, but mostly excited.
VoidOfCourse
Well-Known Member
Assembly complete on 8 units, Here's the Elites (3 LB's and and one really cool Timber).
Let's just say it's a Koa and Maple kinda day. I'm waiting on some batteries, and these units, plus a few LB Classics will ship Wednesday (deadline was August 12 to 17). I still need to program the Elites. Right now Timbers proudly stands at 6 inches tall, about a half inch taller than an iHeat with an HCigar. I may be able to shrink another 1/4 inch or so, but I don't feel it's worth it at this point with the level of ease of build and function I'm achieving right now.
An Elite Congo Line
Let's just say it's a Koa and Maple kinda day. I'm waiting on some batteries, and these units, plus a few LB Classics will ship Wednesday (deadline was August 12 to 17). I still need to program the Elites. Right now Timbers proudly stands at 6 inches tall, about a half inch taller than an iHeat with an HCigar. I may be able to shrink another 1/4 inch or so, but I don't feel it's worth it at this point with the level of ease of build and function I'm achieving right now.
An Elite Congo Line
nonbeliever
Well-Known Member
I don’t grind all that fine (use a regular hand “herb” grinder, and do no humidity control
) - but couldn’t be happier with the very big clouds I get. I believe a number of others on here may do moisture control and different grinds... I know @Bravesst is more meticulous about how he grinds and stores his herb. I have noticed differences between different brands and strains that may have to do with moisture content.
shredder
Well-Known Member
If I'm hearing you correctly I can take a bud from my jar with a 62% humidity pack, grind it in my slx grinder and use it like most any other vape? But it all works better with drier herb and a finer grind?
nonbeliever
Well-Known Member
Pretty much. I use the same grinder for all of my vapes and don’t do any drying or moisture control at all. Since you are doing moisture control, you may end up having better results than I.
P.A.M.
Vapo Rising
Yeah , don’t believe everything you read online , lol , I’ve told @Bravesst a few times to stop telling us how to grind, prep and all that but he don’t listen anyways.
Truth is, as other LB users have already expressed , you can pretty much get away with most grinds and typical humidities .
Hahah! Thanks for the flowers !
You are too kind my friend ! Thank you for your support 
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VoidOfCourse
Well-Known Member
No prob, friend.Hahah! Thanks for the flowers !
Stay chill, homie. You're the man.
same here, no problems and great results. I'm using a SLX 2.0.
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P.A.M.
Vapo Rising
same back at you home slice !
@shredder , to add a little , don’t worry about the grind & prep , I totally understand your stand point , it is a turn off to read you need to grind and prep a certain way (I’m not saying it isn’t beneficial, it sure can add to consistency. Perhaps it’s more accentuated to novice vapers just not clearly stated ?) To more experienced vapers, The thought makes you think , doubt , wonder, and really for no reason.... Most of us have already achieved consistency in our ways, rituals, etc., perhaps why the idea of changing and needing to do things a certain way is a turn off for me. I just wanna chill , right ?
Conclusion, The LB Classic and Elite are very versatile units , in more then one aspect . I strongly feel the LB isn’t worst then any other vapes in regards to needing to grind & prep a certain way. the thought shouldn’t be seeded in mind in the first place.
Enjoy your LB
@shredder , to add a little , don’t worry about the grind & prep , I totally understand your stand point , it is a turn off to read you need to grind and prep a certain way (I’m not saying it isn’t beneficial, it sure can add to consistency. Perhaps it’s more accentuated to novice vapers just not clearly stated ?) To more experienced vapers, The thought makes you think , doubt , wonder, and really for no reason.... Most of us have already achieved consistency in our ways, rituals, etc., perhaps why the idea of changing and needing to do things a certain way is a turn off for me. I just wanna chill , right ?
Conclusion, The LB Classic and Elite are very versatile units , in more then one aspect . I strongly feel the LB isn’t worst then any other vapes in regards to needing to grind & prep a certain way. the thought shouldn’t be seeded in mind in the first place.
Enjoy your LB
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Wet, dry, ground, unground... it works. And yes, I agree we all have our vaping style. The Elite is a versatile unit. Removing the moisture from the herb, at least for me, improves the experience, but far from mandatory. More important is each users individual style, formula, profile, whatever you want to call the combination of properties that shape your session. Grind, don't grind, dry, don't dry. I happen to live in a very humid area (Long Island), and like to prep my weed just so - I guess it's more of MY personal preference than an official *rule*.
So fellow Elitists... I noticed something while testing, programming. I had 4 LB Elites and 1 Timber Elite to test. All had cold resistance level about the same. I have to adjust the TCR (temp coefficient of resistance) to zero in the unit in TC mode, so the actual herb temps are reflected numbers. I find the Timber Elite to have a greater range of TCR, at which I can generate smooth vapor. What does this mean? I think the coil arrangement, above the battery and board, gives the Timber a slight advantage in a kind of *window of smoothness*. I hypothesize the mass of the wood around the coil, evens out the heat, meaning the mass of wood housing the coil takes the edge off any air that might be a tad hotter.
I'm headed postal this morning about 10 orders, and then it's on to R & D for a bit...
Timber Elite
PROJECT
Shave some mass and keep the massive function (height)
LB Elite
PROJECT
Shave some mass and keep the massive function (width)
Timber 510 (I'm thinking T510, said Tee Five Ten)
PROJECT
Best way to attach the 510 fitting
Square Hi
PROJECT
General look at the build after some @Alan suggestions
LB Classic
Just keeps chugging along
So fellow Elitists... I noticed something while testing, programming. I had 4 LB Elites and 1 Timber Elite to test. All had cold resistance level about the same. I have to adjust the TCR (temp coefficient of resistance) to zero in the unit in TC mode, so the actual herb temps are reflected numbers. I find the Timber Elite to have a greater range of TCR, at which I can generate smooth vapor. What does this mean? I think the coil arrangement, above the battery and board, gives the Timber a slight advantage in a kind of *window of smoothness*. I hypothesize the mass of the wood around the coil, evens out the heat, meaning the mass of wood housing the coil takes the edge off any air that might be a tad hotter.
I'm headed postal this morning about 10 orders, and then it's on to R & D for a bit...
Timber Elite
PROJECT
Shave some mass and keep the massive function (height)
LB Elite
PROJECT
Shave some mass and keep the massive function (width)
Timber 510 (I'm thinking T510, said Tee Five Ten)
PROJECT
Best way to attach the 510 fitting
Square Hi
PROJECT
General look at the build after some @Alan suggestions
LB Classic
Just keeps chugging along
P.A.M.
Vapo Rising
Why not just call it the Timber Mod ? It’s a mod box , of course it’s 510.
You’ll never get people to pronounce it T five Ten or timber 5 one 0 or whatever . Most the material is written and we read things how we do (knowledge , language accents ) unless you give directives how to say it every time you write . We’ll read it how we want/do each time .
Just being P.A.M. of course, I like things simple . I vape how I want , I read how I want
Either way , I wish you lots of success with it , @VoidOfCourse , myself and perhaps others have already suggested it to someone looking for a DNA mod to power their favorite cartridge . Love it
You’ll never get people to pronounce it T five Ten or timber 5 one 0 or whatever . Most the material is written and we read things how we do (knowledge , language accents ) unless you give directives how to say it every time you write . We’ll read it how we want/do each time .
Just being P.A.M. of course, I like things simple . I vape how I want , I read how I want
Either way , I wish you lots of success with it , @VoidOfCourse , myself and perhaps others have already suggested it to someone looking for a DNA mod to power their favorite cartridge . Love it
Got postal this afternoon, I'll send out tracking in the morning. I'm going back Friday with a couple more.
A bit of R & D after I shipped today. Made some nice progress, but the nice thing about expanding your horizons and doing new things, is that it spills over into other builds. In this case I am looking at the two mortises that form the compartments for the DNA board and battery. Both Timber Elite and LB Elite share the identical mortises for each. With the Timber 510, I have to use the board compartment for snaking the battery wires, and have them emerge right at each end and connect directly to the terminals. I can make the battery compartment less deep, coil compartment deeper, shrink the wall between to 3 mm's. On the Timber 510 I can go 23 mm / 3 mm / 23 mm (Timber 510 needs even more clearance in the board compartment to accommodate the fitting).
With the Timber Elite, I plan on trying 18 mm bd mortise / 3 mm wall / 24 mm battery mortise, or 45 mm in total, 4 or 5 less than the current. If I can pull off 46 mm's I'll be happy, as it's currently about 49 mm's wide - still a nice fit in the hand. I should have no problem shaving a 1/8 inch off the height, if I look at both the top and bottom sections. That should bring us in at 5 7/8 x 1 5/8 x 1 1/8. Honestly, since I've built my Timber Elite, I don't really use anything else at home. It never leaves my house, and I'm very cool with that. There must be something about the mass around the oven that helps with the high volume of even heat.
The LB Elite, needs its girth in order to keep the coil side by side with the battery and board. No matter how I work the numbers, I come up at 74 or 75 mm's wide. 23 battery / 17 board / 28 coil / two 3 mm walls = 74. Height is not an issue here.
All I know is lots of stuff happening here at Vapwood and @Alan 's ToastyTop, with real progress being made on all fronts.
A bit of R & D after I shipped today. Made some nice progress, but the nice thing about expanding your horizons and doing new things, is that it spills over into other builds. In this case I am looking at the two mortises that form the compartments for the DNA board and battery. Both Timber Elite and LB Elite share the identical mortises for each. With the Timber 510, I have to use the board compartment for snaking the battery wires, and have them emerge right at each end and connect directly to the terminals. I can make the battery compartment less deep, coil compartment deeper, shrink the wall between to 3 mm's. On the Timber 510 I can go 23 mm / 3 mm / 23 mm (Timber 510 needs even more clearance in the board compartment to accommodate the fitting).
With the Timber Elite, I plan on trying 18 mm bd mortise / 3 mm wall / 24 mm battery mortise, or 45 mm in total, 4 or 5 less than the current. If I can pull off 46 mm's I'll be happy, as it's currently about 49 mm's wide - still a nice fit in the hand. I should have no problem shaving a 1/8 inch off the height, if I look at both the top and bottom sections. That should bring us in at 5 7/8 x 1 5/8 x 1 1/8. Honestly, since I've built my Timber Elite, I don't really use anything else at home. It never leaves my house, and I'm very cool with that. There must be something about the mass around the oven that helps with the high volume of even heat.
The LB Elite, needs its girth in order to keep the coil side by side with the battery and board. No matter how I work the numbers, I come up at 74 or 75 mm's wide. 23 battery / 17 board / 28 coil / two 3 mm walls = 74. Height is not an issue here.
All I know is lots of stuff happening here at Vapwood and @Alan 's ToastyTop, with real progress being made on all fronts.
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VoidOfCourse
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Yes sir, @Bravesst. I'm pretty pumped about the Vapwood mod no matter what you name it and I've been spreading the word in my excitement. In doing so I've learned two things that you may want to consider going forward.Either way , I wish you lots of success with it , @VoidOfCourse , myself and perhaps others have already suggested it to someone looking for a DNA mod to power their favorite cartridge . Love it
- A lot of people seem to be absolutely chomping at the bit for a pocketable Side By Side replaceable battery mod that can house an instaHeat, Splinter, Stempod or other 510. atty vape of their size.
- Some people would prefer their mod to accommodate two 18560 batteries or at least one 21700 battery for longer battery life.
It takes less then ten seconds to change a battery, one battery with a DNA75C chip gives my quite satisfactory battery life and I could care less about a side by side for a vape of those sizes but these are possible suggestions to maybe think about in the future to broaden your customer base.
Edit: to clarify I'm saying maybe think about these two
possible forms for additional options as well as the current form because I personally definitely prefer the current form. Of course if you try to please everyone you could end up pleasing noone lol and you have a ton of stuff going on as is.
Just relaying some other people's preferences as possible food for future thought.
You're doing fantastic work.
<3
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Yes sir, @Bravesst. I'm pretty pumped about the Vapwood mod no matter what you name it and I've been spreading the word in my excitement. In doing so I've learned two things that you may want to consider going forward.
Me and I'm sure others are happy just the way it is now.
- A lot of people seem to be absolutely chomping at the bit for a pocketable Side By Side replaceable battery mod that can house an instaHeat, Splinter, Stempod or other 510. atty vape of their size.
- Some people would prefer their mod to accommodate two 18560 batteries or at least one 21700 battery for longer battery life.
It takes less then ten seconds to change a battery, one battery with a DNA75C chip gives my quite satisfactory battery life and I could care less about a side by side for a vape of those sizes but these are possible suggestions to maybe think about in the future to broaden your customer base.
Edit: to clarify I'm saying maybe think about these two
possible forms for additional options as well as the current form because I personally definitely prefer the current form. Of course if you try to please everyone you could end up pleasing noone lol and you have a ton of stuff going on as is.
Just relaying some other people's preferences as possible food for future thought.
You're doing fantastic work.
<3
Thanks for all the work here. Good to know what people want. My job is to make people realize that getting 8 sessions on old Samsung 30Q's is not a bogus claim with the Elite. A fully charged (but about 2 years old) battery will give me approximately 8 sessions. I drive the battery down to about 5% sometimes without any noticeable difference in performance. I feel drying out the weed and grinding probably helps efficiency a hair (weed needn't be dried by the vape). I do this routinely on about 8 batteries I have in rotation for a really long time (over 2 years). I charge with a 4 battery charger about every 3 or 4 days. I guess I go through 1 to 1.5 batteries in a day, at the most. I must average about 10 tubes a day. This is my personal routine, and it works really well. Driving batteries down to 5% or 10% seems to have no negative impact on the Samsungs.
Vapor is rapid, as the instaHeat does just that - heats instantly. Preheat gives the coil an initial boost, then allows wattage to drop dramatically during each pull. The DNA board is truly a remarkable battery management system. I wish I could invest in Evolv!!!
The most frustrating thing about being a vape builder, is sometimes nailing a build. The Timber Elite is that build, and I just wanna share it with the world, yell it off the roof tops. Performance, in this stacked format, with vent hole placement through a half inch of solid walnut, has reached a consistent smoothness that sets it apart. The coil needed a big house to really cook, and the Timber provides just that. I was surprised as anybody, as I never thought I'd put my LB Elite down. Timber Elite is truly that full sized luxury sedan - Vapwood's Bentley.