I just used the Grasshopper with freshly charged batteries and a nice slow draw (7-10 seconds on 3) and got a really nice hit (3 so far; much more vapor and is now hotter than I was getting last night on 5). Definitely the batteries were not fully charged last night. Very happy!!
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This, exactly! Those brick hashes from our youth didn't bubble because of the poor quality (5 - 10% THC), thankfully times changed a bit and those traditional hashes are now superior in quality (15-30% THC) and bubble up when heated.
Your Mighty experience would be very similar in the GH I would assume, the bowl volumina is the same, just thinner and deeper instead. But in the Mighty you can pull out the bottom screen of the bowl to clean it after using hash in it, the Grasshopper screen is not as fine as this and not removable for cleaning as easy.
To prevent gunking up my Crafty with hash I've cut a steelpad in two and place my hash formed to a thin plate in between both halves, this way most of the gunk stays in the pad and only a slight amount sticks to the side walls of the bowl.
Guess this approach could also work for the GH, but I am sorry to be not brave enough to experiment with it in my hopper.
I noticed a metallic taste, especially at lower temps, the first few bowls. I've only had my Ti 3 days, but the metallic taste is barely noticeable now, if at all present. Love it!
Bdubbdiblets
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This things a juice press for herb in vapor form...wake n hop
subway13029
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I am having such uneven production out of my hopper..im so thinking its the batteries. I get such uneven vapor production out of this thing its crazy and i read a few posts back about someone saying the unit gets hot as the batteries drain. My batteries are older and were used when i got them but i get one chanber out of a battery at the most. Toward the fourth of fifth hit the unit is almost to the point it will burn my fingers and im a cook so i can handle alot of heat. I click the unit off after every hit but i do hit it back to bavk for most part. Through water i would gdt decent hit but it wouldnt milk my orbiter?? Granted i had some material that was firr but didnt produce much vapor but even other material was not close to what ive seen others do. Then it kinda gets in your head about is it working is it not? It seems like the batts and maybe that why its getting so hot. But they just replaced the body two weeks ago so who knows right now. And also im thinkings its maybe as batteries get low while im hitting it the lights will go red. Not on fresh batt but towards 4 or 5th hit??
Mr Mellish
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My limited experience so far has me thinking that the battery has a huge impact. I know that is a DUH! statement so I'll restate to say the battery seems to be a more critical component of wonky behavior than any other battery-powered vape I've used; and I'm still failing to successfully articulate what I mean.
In other vapes I've used, the performance seems to decline in a consistent curve as the battery drains. With the GH there seems to be more variability as a single battery declines and from battery to battery. Spooky action at a distance...
No, these aren't the ramblings of someone who is vaked, just the ramblings of someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about!
But with a fully charged and "healthy" battery, this thing makes astonishing vapor.
Bdubbdiblets
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I have also been trying to verbalize this and have failed but perhaps my issue is im hopped AND I don't know what the hell I'm talking aboutMy limited experience so far has me thinking that the battery has a huge impact. I know that is a DUH! statement so I'll restate to say the battery seems to be a more critical component of wonky behavior than any other battery-powered vape I've used; and I'm still failing to successfully articulate what I mean.
In other vapes I've used, the performance seems to decline in a consistent curve as the battery drains. With the GH there seems to be more variability as a single battery declines and from battery to battery. Spooky action at a distance...
No, these aren't the ramblings of someone who is vaked, just the ramblings of someone who doesn't know what the hell they're talking about!
But with a fully charged and "healthy" battery, this thing makes astonishing vapor.
...but I agree.
Are you using an external charger? I noticed a performance boost when I switched from using the included USB charger to a Nitecore D2
subway13029
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Im using both. Ive got the d2 to make sure what the battery is reading after 1 session..trying to get some testing done..but i have used the usb a few times..
hi_there
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I wonder if this has something to do with the body conducting the current. I as getting a hot back-end and noticed poor performance of the battery. It would make sense that battery power is being used up needlessly if the back-end is heating up. Now it is not heating up....but a new back-end is on its way.
Baron23
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Dang, Rachett...I didn't even know that the internal mouthpiece screen came out! I was just planning to dump the whole mouthpiece in ISO when I needed to clean it up. Is removal instructions in the manual at all? Is it supposed to be removable?How hard are you inhaling? I found better performance with my hopper when I slowed down my draw speed. Previously I could hear air rushing into the intake holes. Now my vaporizer is silent when hitting it - nice slow draw speeds also seem to better cook the herbs
Switching subjects, has anyone had any issues with the internal screen on the mouthpiece? From day 2 with my vape (after reclaim started to build up), I find my internal screen is STUCK to the oven every time I unscrew the mouthpiece.
The only way to fix this is to screw it back together partially, then pull apart again and hope that the screen is threaded back into the mouthpiece enough. Then I get a long skinny finishing nail and screw the screen back in place but it never helps - it comes loose every time I unscrew the mouthpiece.
So far the best method I've found to keep the screen attached to the mouthpiece is by taking a quick puff to warm up the oven before unscrewing - this helps loosen the reclaim in the mouthpiece.
I think your mouthpiece is hosed up.
Kalessin
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No the mouthpiece screen is not intended to be removable - instructions state you simply remove mouthpiece and drop the whole thing in ISO to clean, no disassembly needed (although several people have asked me to make a special tool capable of removing the screens)
Baron23
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jivebuggered
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Some have got it easy Im STILL waiting and at the moment no one knows where it is I paid on the 9th at Vaporshop. Im extremely pissed off but seem to be repeating myself.
sixstringsmash
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Hey guys so I think I might have a problem with my SS grasshopper and I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this. So after about a week of use I've noticed that the herb chamber does not screw on as smoothly as when I first got it and I also noticed that in the areas where the chamber seems to be extra tight and require tighter screwing the chamber is makes a grating sound(kind of like the sound of metal scratching metal) whenever it's being turned. I've made sure that the screws are not clogged with material or resin so I've ruled that out and now I'm not sure what to do and I'm thinking of contacting grasshopper support.
utekai
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Have had the grasshopper a couple weeks now.
Have to say, from a trendy, hi-tech, stylish viewpoint, its a nice appliance.
For someone who also expects the hi tech appliance to vaporize well ... it's a dud. I have to agree with Bud the Vape Critics review. It's not that it can't vape, it can and rather easily. Rather it's other factors that are important in a vape that serves a purpose, for instance for stealth or as a daily driver.
While it feels great in the hand, and people want to hold and touch it, from a viewpoint of simply - how does it vape? Well, it vapes mid range at best.
It puts out a narrow hot air stream and over any extended period use, that hot air stream becomes irritating to the mouth, tongue and/or throat. Water devices do cool it nicely.
I like the vapor it puts out, but not the temperature of it.
Loading it is a pain, as there are fine threads to clean and keep clean and a narrow herb holding cavity that you can't suck the herbs into, like with a glass mouthpiece on an enano or milaana, and is also difficult to remove herb from too. Well, it's not difficult as much as it is tedious, especially compared to vapes that are easy to unload and load.
It's more or less just kind of tedious to use, and I tend to like it more just fondling it rather than vaping with it. This says a lot methinks.
The vapman takes a couple steps to load, but it's never tedious and always easy, just multi step. The milaana and enano are trivially simple to load and unload, I could do it multiple times in the time it takes to load and unload a gh just once.
The tip gets too hot. This along with the tightly focused, narrow, hot air stream coming out of the tip, is more or less a design flaw for a vaporizer intended to be used as a portable.
Of the many use cases for vaporizers, for instance at home, on the road, on the trail, in the theater, at a party or whatever, I only find a single use case for the gh, and that is for stealth. But due to the hotness it exudes, that use case falls away. Even the elevape with it's thickness, is a better stealth vape.
I do find I'm able to mostly nearly consume the herbs in the gh, but can still put gh abv into an enano or milaana and get out a bit more vapor. While the gh might be able to get that bit more, it can't without a water device due to the hot air stream that becomes practically unbearable for a long draw on highest temps.
Anyway, glanced over and saw the gh sitting idly where it's been for a couple days now, as I walked away holding a freshly loaded stem that I slid into a milaana. For me, this sums up my gh experience. So wrote it here. I will likely keep the gh until the hi-techness feel goes away, but just don't have a current use case that finds me reaching for it, just the 'it looks cool so pick it up again' use case that is soon going to fade away, and has already started fading.
Have to say, from a trendy, hi-tech, stylish viewpoint, its a nice appliance.
For someone who also expects the hi tech appliance to vaporize well ... it's a dud. I have to agree with Bud the Vape Critics review. It's not that it can't vape, it can and rather easily. Rather it's other factors that are important in a vape that serves a purpose, for instance for stealth or as a daily driver.
While it feels great in the hand, and people want to hold and touch it, from a viewpoint of simply - how does it vape? Well, it vapes mid range at best.
It puts out a narrow hot air stream and over any extended period use, that hot air stream becomes irritating to the mouth, tongue and/or throat. Water devices do cool it nicely.
I like the vapor it puts out, but not the temperature of it.
Loading it is a pain, as there are fine threads to clean and keep clean and a narrow herb holding cavity that you can't suck the herbs into, like with a glass mouthpiece on an enano or milaana, and is also difficult to remove herb from too. Well, it's not difficult as much as it is tedious, especially compared to vapes that are easy to unload and load.
It's more or less just kind of tedious to use, and I tend to like it more just fondling it rather than vaping with it. This says a lot methinks.
The vapman takes a couple steps to load, but it's never tedious and always easy, just multi step. The milaana and enano are trivially simple to load and unload, I could do it multiple times in the time it takes to load and unload a gh just once.
The tip gets too hot. This along with the tightly focused, narrow, hot air stream coming out of the tip, is more or less a design flaw for a vaporizer intended to be used as a portable.
Of the many use cases for vaporizers, for instance at home, on the road, on the trail, in the theater, at a party or whatever, I only find a single use case for the gh, and that is for stealth. But due to the hotness it exudes, that use case falls away. Even the elevape with it's thickness, is a better stealth vape.
I do find I'm able to mostly nearly consume the herbs in the gh, but can still put gh abv into an enano or milaana and get out a bit more vapor. While the gh might be able to get that bit more, it can't without a water device due to the hot air stream that becomes practically unbearable for a long draw on highest temps.
Anyway, glanced over and saw the gh sitting idly where it's been for a couple days now, as I walked away holding a freshly loaded stem that I slid into a milaana. For me, this sums up my gh experience. So wrote it here. I will likely keep the gh until the hi-techness feel goes away, but just don't have a current use case that finds me reaching for it, just the 'it looks cool so pick it up again' use case that is soon going to fade away, and has already started fading.
slow draws work really well to mitigate heat, i dont see how loading it is a pain when you just dump it in your grinder and scoop with it. i use mine quite frequently and haven't had problems with threads. I know for some high temp vapes are a problem, but everyone has their niche. i personally prefer vapes to have a shorter air path as there is less vapor being condensed.
Vapetrees
Vaped Out
I feel the same way. Some vapes aren't for everyone. My favorite vaporizer out the ones I have, (Solo, Mighty, and used to have a Pax2 that I miss), is my Grasshopper. Sure it's not perfect, it gets hot, the vapor isn't as smooth as my Mighty, but I end up using my GH the most. It's so convenient, quick, and efficient that it makes it hard for me not to use it. I do agree that it's not for some people though, and that's okay-that's why we have so many options and for that I'm glad.
@utekai I really wish you had a better experience with it, but if it's not for you, I'm sure you can make your money back or even a profit. The vaporizer lover in me, wants to to love it. Lol
@sixstringsmash I usually have that problem when I need to clean my mouthpiece, or the threading in the oven. What I usually do is clean it with ISO and a cotton ball. Sometimes I also use my MFLB brush with some alcohol on it to brush the threads. Hope that helps!
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jabba
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I respectfully disagree with your assessment. My GH vapes better than any portable that I've ever seen. It may be hot particularly if pulled by a heavy ripper ad nauseum....but GH is also capable of heating up, giving you a lungbuster rip, and going back into your pocket in 15 seconds. If this scenario isn't your holy grail scenario...and you have the desire or ability to sit and session in your living room....perhaps this vape is not for you. I wouldn't trade this GH for any currently available portable device period.
utekai
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The use case you describe, of taking a quick hit and going back into the pocket, is a use case where the grasshopper excels.
In that case the tip isn't overheating since you're taking just a single hit. The gh does heat up quickly so the time and effort that goes into getting the single hit is minimal. And since you're only taking a single hit, the loading and unloading doesn't matter as much because the one load lasts for hours or maybe all day, as the herb is being consumed slowly rather than all at once. Also, in this case, the herb isn't cooked between hits, but is preserved nicely.
Yeah, I agree, that is a great use case for the gh, where it performs exceedingly well. A single hitter.
And in that case, where I needed a vape to do that, the gh is at the top of the list. If stealth isn't as important and size isn't as important, then I have two other vapes that would also be at the top of the list also for a single hitter, and that's the vapman and milaana. The FF works too in this case but takes a bit more time/effort to get that one good hit.
Anyway, what you write doesn't disagree with what I wrote, you just bring in a particular use case in which the gh is a great fit. My own uses cases typically consume the entire load all at once and then I don't use the vape again until the next load. So for me, the loading and unloading, the heat of the vapor and tip, the need to clean - all these factors just reduce gh's utility for me to where it is mediocre at best, all things considered.
Without a water device, I can't quickly load the gh and consume to completion that load. The tip always gets too hot, and the back to back hits are really irritating without a water device. If I'm out and about, it's messy to unload and load the gh. There is the battery issue of two people are attempting to use it too.
I guess my overall point is for my uses cases the gh doesn't fit well. As you point out there are some use cases where the gh is a great fit. That doesn't mean we've disagreed on anything, just that our uses cases are different.
My experience with the gh was fine, in fact a really excellent experience, well except for the lengthy wait to get it. No problems of any sort. I understood how to use it (of course I've got experience with tens of different vaporizers), had no technical issues or flaws of any sort.
Also, I quickly understood it's characteristics and tendencies. I understood it's strengths and weaknesses.
With that understanding, I also easily matched up the gh's characteristics with other vapes, and with my own needs and use cases for vaporizers and summarized. My description of the gh isn't meant to glorify or damn the gh. I'm not taking a side as in for or against the gh. Rather, I'm pointing out how for me it is a mediocre at best vape. This isn't really an opinion as much as it is fact. It's very true for me. It might not be for you, but that would be because you have different use cases. I'm sure the functionality of the gh is pretty much the same for both of us.
I noticed the slow draw helps, but at the end of the load, trying to get that last bit of vapor/essential oil, when trying to consume completely, the gh's heat issue is overwhelming. If you let it cool, then hit, cool, then hit ... it consumes the battery too fast, and hardly does a single load. Some people can choose to live with high temp vape and claim it's fine, but over time it's not. No one wants to have that narrow hot air stream hitting wet flesh for long, it's irritating. I like short air paths too, like on the vapman and milaana (with short mouthpiece), but paths a bit longer (enano and milaana long) seem fine too and add a bit of cooling.
The vapman deals with the heat issue by mixing fresh air with the vapor on the way to your mouth. The milaana has a wide tube, so the air stream is not narrow, and as well glass is a fairly decent conductor and cools the vapor a bit too. If the milaana had such a tightly focused air stream like gh or vapman, then it too would be overwhelmingly hot.
Have to admit I've been fondling the gh a bit more, and for me that's it's primary use case. It's just got a nice feel and heft to it. It's got some precision about it. But as I'm fondling it, I'm vaping with a milaana as it performs simply much better when what I need is not a precision applicance but a high performance vaporizer, but I don't fondle the milaana very much at all, just grab and hit, and then hit again until the load is consumed, then quickly unload and load until the next grab time comes along.
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Kalessin
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Guess I'm no one then, cause it doesn't bother me in the slightest...
moondog
It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
As someone who is anxiously awaiting the receipt of a GH (someday) and counting on it to become my perfect vaping solution, I appreciate your reasoned and thoughtful framing of your experience and opinion. Of course, I'm really hoping that when I get it I will be able to respectfully disagree with your assessment.
If you decide to sell yours, I'm sure you'll find lots of impatient hopper-hungry FC-ers who will be willing to take it off your hands.
Vapor_Eyes
taste buds
You gave a very good response as to why the GH isn't the best vape for your usage. It's important for others to remember that we all need different things from vaporizers. There are many highly rated, wonderful vaporizers that just aren't right for me.
The only thing I would say is have you tried using only a pinch in the Grasshopper? Roughly .05 grams?
I only mention this because you say you can barely get through one chamber on a battery and have trouble unloading the GH. With just a pinch, I get 3 chambers on average, 12-15 hits from a battery. Also, the cannabis just falls out when I go to unload. I might have to tap the side a little but no pick required.
As for loading I usually use a doob tube which works wonders, but even loading a pinch at a time by hand is easy for me.
I use mine like a portable log, almost exactly how I use my E-Nano. Admittedly, the nano has better flavor and smoother vapor, but the GH gives me that on demand, convection one hitter experience on the go.
I'm not trying to refute your experience, just give a couple friendly tips. If the GH is not ideal for you that's fine too, I have no personal stake in the company, other than my lifetime warranty of course.
utekai
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Yeah, when I take a single hit the hot air stream isn't so bad, but is always noticeable enough so that I need to refocus it around my mouth so one spot doesn't overheat if taking a hit longer than 5 or 8 seconds. After several back to back hits it then requires a constant motion, and without the silicon tip can't easily be held against the lips either.
But as mentioned before, as a single hitter, the gh really does excel. Maybe there are other very specific uses cases where the gh excels in addition to this one, and there may well be many. Just not in my collection of current use cases, and I don't need a single hitter rather I want to consume the whole load quickly and completely, and without muss or fuss and without burning my lips or inner mouth/tongue.
And while I have water devices, I just prefer over time to not have to deal with something extra to clean and maintain, and due to it being glass to have to be careful around so it doesn't break. gh + water device is fine, except for the loading and unloading and the frequent gh cleaning and brushing.
I'll bet with a few design changes the gh could step into mainstream uses cases, but it's not there yet. This isn't about my abilities, it's about the gh's characteristics. Hot tip, hot vapor, extra time to load/unload, more frequent cleaning than other vapes I use, smaller battery ... all characteristics.
Yes did small and medium and fully packed loads, and it works fine with a very small load, but we're back to the single hitter use case more or less. I like it fine with a small load, it is easier to load and unload, heat isn't as much of an issue. But for me, when I use a small load, then I have to repeat another 2 times, when I could have just put all the herb in at once, but the heat issues and so on with the gh as explained earlier come into play. So the trade off with small loads really comes down to a time issue, where the gh then becomes too costly to use in terms of time to consume 3 small loads, whereas the vapman or milaana can consume the whole load right now, and heat isn't an issue. I'm not really trying to promote the vapman or milaana but do find them helpful for comparison reasons, as they really do vaporize well, and the ceremonial steps to carry out the day to day vaporization aren't tedious over time.
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