Discontinued The Grasshopper

[ChooChooCharlie]

Mine work great ...

but for other owners,
well, they may be thinking this

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[voodoo_vape]

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Edit: You have to post pictures of this ... this is major ...

Mine work great ...

but for other owners,
well, they may be thinking this

Spoiler

 

[Vaporific]

WOW!!!! Not sure if in a good way or not (likely not). One more piece that can go wrong but I bet they did this to reduce repair - and possibly assembly - time. I'm not an engineer but something tells me that this won't be good long term. Someone above (sorry don't recall who and can't look it up now) said there was variability in operation with the new piece. Just one more point in the electrical connections to get screwed up in my opinion. I'll be pissed if they send that back to me.

Does anyone know if HL formally anounced this? Certainly not in any newsletter I recall and it's been a while since the last one.

And by the way, I did write them through my account the other day about my RMA pre-order Ti and I haven't heard back from them, which is typical. I wrote HealthyRips an email about a question and got a reply and subsequent ones to follow-up questions fairly quickly. Talk about contrast in customer service, it's like black and white. Kinda like my user image, lol.

BUT SERIOUSLY - let the discussion on Part 4, or whatever we shall call it, begin!!!...

@voodoo_vape Thanks for the pic! Do you have a pass through shot with the backend off?

 

[newVaper420]

I’m not sure if that’s right. Please keep us posted

 

[Vaporific]

Addendum/clarification: I think I'll call it the Chamber since it was referred to that earlier. I'm an NOT happy about this. And I don't own any Blu Tac, yet, since my friggin unit is in RMA. It's kind of like Frankenstein where they're adding parts here and there.

Does anyone else have a 4 part Hopper that can provide detail into how their experience with it has been? I'm completely blown away by this. And I don't think this will be good long term for the operation of it. Just my two cents...

 

[Cheesequake]

Addendum/clarification: I think I'll call it the Chamber since it was referred to that earlier. I'm an NOT happy about this. And I don't own any Blu Tac, yet, since my friggin unit is in RMA. It's kind of like Frankenstein where they're adding parts here and there.

Does anyone else have a 4 part Hopper that can provide detail into how their experience with it has been? I'm completely blown away by this. And I don't think this will be good long term for the operation of it. Just my two cents...

If it fixes the blue flickering light issue like @voodoo_vape said I'm all for it.

 

[GrandWazoo]

It isn't another part, it's the same divided into two and it's more accessible, so I'm for. I'm for anithing that will increase reliability in this vape because since now it's not the one. Nothing to lose because I found good alternative, if and when my unit comes back ( 9 months ) hope it will in this new version.

 

[voodoo_vape]

WOW!!!! Not sure if in a good way or not (likely not). One more piece that can go wrong but I bet they did this to reduce repair - and possibly assembly - time. I'm not an engineer but something tells me that this won't be good long term. Someone above (sorry don't recall who and can't look it up now) said there was variability in operation with the new piece. Just one more point in the electrical connections to get screwed up in my opinion. I'll be pissed if they send that back to me.

Does anyone know if HL formally anounced this? Certainly not in any newsletter I recall and it's been a while since the last one.

And by the way, I did write them through my account the other day about my RMA pre-order Ti and I haven't heard back from them, which is typical. I wrote HealthyRips an email about a question and got a reply and subsequent ones to follow-up questions fairly quickly. Talk about contrast in customer service, it's like black and white. Kinda like my user image, lol.

BUT SERIOUSLY - let the discussion on Part 4, or whatever we shall call it, begin!!!...

@voodoo_vape Thanks for the pic! Do you have a pass through shot with the backend off?

To me it seems that this modification will give them more reliability, that they are looking for in that vape. The fact that they decided to 'unify' the circuit on the chamber, it shows that they've possibly found a major issue on the 'cop lights' issue that is so common. Otherwise, you don't give the customer the option unscrew the chamber part and expose all the electronics.

Are you looking for a photo that the chamber and the backend are detached? I can assure you that it's a plain metallic tube what is left if you take apart backend, battery and mouthpiece. I'll upload another shot at some point. I just don't want to get used to take on and off the chamber part.
, although it's built like that now as it seems..

If it fixes the blue flickering light issue like @voodoo_vape said I'm all for it.

surely it does help a lot from what I've seen so far. And the fact that vapor production is so intense is even crazier... I'll eve try temp.1 and see what happens..

It isn't another part, it's the same divided into two and it's more accessible, so I'm for. I'm for anithing that will increase reliability in this vape because since now it's not the one. Nothing to lose because I found good alternative, if and when my unit comes back ( 9 months ) hope it will in this new version.

I'm with you on this one.. fingers crossed that it is like that...

 

[MoltenTiger]

normally the chamber is fixed to the body, it's always been threaded like that.

Kinda cool you can adjust it and that affects the LEDs.. but it's defiitely supposed to be secured to the body. I've tried to untwist a couple and it takes a lot of force normally

 

[voodoo_vape]

normally the chamber is fixed to the body, it's always been threaded like that.

Kinda cool you can adjust it and that affects the LEDs.. but it's defiitely supposed to be secured to the body. I've tried to untwist a couple and it takes a lot of force normally

that's what worries me most.. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be like that or i've applied more force than I should, but I must admit that this happened without any difficulty. While I was putting the mouthpiece back on, I felt that something else was also moving slightly. Then the mouthpiece would not fit all the way and that's when I started fiddling around with the chamber and it just came off...

I just sent an email to HL so hopefully, they will clarify this for me.

EDIT:

The LEDs are affected from the distance that the circuit contacts the battery. That's what it looks like to me. If the board slightly touches the battery, then LEDs will flicker quite a lot. If it is put back on tight, then the LEDs will barely switch on, maybe with some faint flickering and when the chamber fits properly, then the LEDs will be solid and they will also be visible from all the perimeter holes and not from some of them, like it used to be.

 

[MoltenTiger]

that's what worries me most.. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be like that or i've applied more force than I should, but I must admit that this happened without any difficulty. While I was putting the mouthpiece back on, I felt that something else was also moving slightly. Then the mouthpiece would not fit all the way and that's when I started fiddling around with the chamber and it just came off...

I just sent an email to HL so hopefully, they will clarify this for me.

well I never managed to get it loose, they're normally very secure.
You could easily apply some lock-tite of some sort. I guess it would need to be food-grade and heat tolerant..
Otherwise you might have to send it back, if it's actually a problem.

What's the underside of the PCB look like?

visible from all the perimeter holes and not from some of them, like it used to be

I've figured that's a rotational variance due to the height of several SMDs on the PCB underside.
But I've never really though about the length variance. Finely pitched threads so it'd be a fine adjustment.
Are you finding the performance is different between solid and flickering lights?

 

[voodoo_vape]

well I never managed to get it loose, they're normally very secure.
You could easily apply some lock-tite of some sort. I guess it would need to be food-grade and heat tolerant..
Otherwise you might have to send it back, if it's actually a problem.

What's the underside of the PCB look like?

What confuses me as well is the fact that if I 'glue' it back then I won't have the ability to play around with the flickering...
When saying the underside you mean the side that faces the bottom of the chamber? This part looks kinda spooky to be honest with you.. not to mention that when I first took it off, there was a lot of gunk and black stuff on the chamber's threads that I had to clean with some blu-tac and I think that I saw two small pieces of unknown identity falling from inside there...

 

[voodoo_vape]

I've figured that's a rotational variance due to the height of several SMDs on the PCB underside.
But I've never really though about the length variance. Finely pitched threads so it'd be a fine adjustment.
Are you finding the performance is different between solid and flickering lights?

I think that when the LEDs are solid, it hits like a beast and the vapor production is amazingly fast and huge.. when it's flickering the performance is significantly reduced..

 

[Vaporific]

Good morning from the East Coast (USA). So HL is sending back RMAs in 4 pieces that were originally 3 pieces? Is this correct? While there's nothing from preventing us from separating the new Chamber piece from the body (main part or tube that holds the battery) why would we want to? Some above, perhaps @voodoo_vape, mentioned some variance in operation when slightly loosening the Chamber piece which is a concern. Again, it seems like it's one more link in the chain that can go wrong with an already tempermental device that many of us have had issues with.

Does anyone recall if this was formally or widely announced by HL aside from the Instagram reference above? They're doing things underhandedly and creating a Frankenhopper if you ask me. Perhaps it may work better in the short run - and again facilitate RMA and possibly assembly going forward - but reliability with 3 pieces was average at best and I'm concerned they've introduced more variability into an already fragile design.

Happy weekend to all.

 

[Vaporific]

It isn't another part, it's the same divided into two and it's more accessible

4 is greater than 3 so it is another part as far as I'm concerned.

Does anyone know if this Chamber part is just for new units or are folks with RMAs receiving their original 3 part units coming back fixed with 4 units? This is a burning question for me!

Otherwise, you don't give the customer the option unscrew the chamber part and expose all the electronics.

No kidding! This however could go either way: easier to fix and assemble, and possibly clean out from a constomer perspective, but more prone to connection issues and potential damage to the circuitry with it disassembled from the body possibly for cleaning.

 

[Monkeyhouse]

I just received a message from hopper labs that the replacement body they're going to send me is from the old stock and not the new parts, not sure if that will apply to everyone though.

 

[MonkeyTime]

I'm still wondering if that was intentional?....... Seems we only have one example of this so far.

 

[Vaporific]

I just received a message from hopper labs that the replacement body they're going to send me is from the old stock and not the new parts, not sure if that will apply to everyone though.

How long has your unit been in RMA? Mine went in late September '18. Their last ETA for its return was March but I don't believe it based on recent posts herein where units were sent in after mine and received back already, and then there are many who've been waiting longer than me. Lots of BS and shady behavior and little communication from them as usual.

 

[Monkeyhouse]

I'm just receiving a replacement for a spare body, I opened the RMA a week or so ago. Seems the turn around for spare bodies is a lot faster than full repairs. Also they said they would try their best to send me a "good" unit.

 

[MoltenTiger]

4 is greater than 3 so it is another part as far as I'm concerned.

Does anyone know if this Chamber part is just for new units or are folks with RMAs receiving their original 3 part units coming back fixed with 4 units? This is a burning question for me!

Those 4 or 3 parts contain something like 67 different components.

There's nothing extra going on besides the threads weren't properly secured from factory. This has been the general design since the major redesign during the Indiegogo days

With that design, herb was loaded into the mouthpiece itself. This front section was changed before they started shipping.
Currently any major differences lie in the OEM for the heater, and there's been changes made to it's geometry and sensor locations. HL print the heaters in house with a typically more robust design than we've seen previously.

Because the device has so many unique components, it's very likely minute tolerance differences are causing the varied performance and longevity users are experiencing.

I've read one case where someone sent there hopper back and if was physically shortened. I never considered that the construction of the device allows for that length difference. As does the compression in the back end, as does potential battery /body length differences, and so too does partially twisting on the back end (which has been the solution for some units underperformance). As well as the more recent recommendation to sand down the rear brass battery contact.

It's all pretty interesting, but this RMA with a removable chamber section isn't a huge deal. It kind of seems useful, but I think depending on how easily it moves, it's probably not desirable for the end user.

@voodoo_vape which way do you rotate it to remove it? I might bust one out for interests sake

 

[snaffle]

Does anyone on here use concentrates in their grasshopper? I saw the recent videos Dynavap created about their new Dynacoil insert, and was thinking it could work very nicely in the hopper (so long as you had an appropriate pokey thing to remove it). Might be slightly tricky to apply the concentrate, too, as the coil would sit deeper in the chamber. But I'd certainly be interested in how it works. I plan to get one myself in due course, so will try it out, but it'll probably be a few months until I can do so.

Would I be correct that everyone here who uses concentrates just uses cotton / hemp / herb sandwich methods? I don't recall seeing anything else mentioned. And obviously with the heater being near the chamber, you don't want to take the chance of any concentrate dripping down into it. But yeah, from the demonstration on the Dynavap Live video on youtube it looks like the Dynacoil is very good indeed at holding concentrates in place, even when held vertically.

 

[voodoo_vape]

More interesting stuff regarding the new gen(?) body... this thing now hits like a beast even at temp 1!!!!
I finished a chamber in the 1st two temps and I got blown away with the flavors as well as the clouds.. so considering this, you don't really need to go to temp.4/5 when using it straight from the mouth which means that battery life is significantly extended when in temps 4-5 the battery gets drained really really fast now. This also seemed pretty weird to my previous experience with the GBH2 batts... I haven't even tried using the one GBH1 that I have.

I'm guessing that they have changed something with the temp settings so that you can use the unit even at lowest ones.. or I've always had a semi-working unit from the beginning and now I get to see how it should be which

@voodoo_vape which way do you rotate it to remove it? I might bust one out for interests sake

same way that you rotate the mouthpiece on the chamber.. so to me it feels like I have more control on my GH right now.. which I don't know if it's good or not.. near future will tell us more.. the fact though that you can 'fix' the flickering lights is pretty cool I must say..

 

[Vaporific]

Those 4 or 3 parts contain something like 67 different components.

For sake of ongoing discussion, I'm referring to the main parts: frontend, body, and backend - and now possibly a Chamber part that unscrews from the front of the body (or the end adjacent to the frontend).

There's nothing extra going on besides the threads weren't properly secured from factory. This has been the general design since the major redesign during the Indiegogo days

"General design" perhaps and if one thinks of the distributive property in math perhaps this applies. However with my original pre-order Ti I was never able to remove the Chamber part that was pictured above - at least not without a technical tear down which I wasn't inclined nor qualified to do.

So my questions still remain and I'll ask them again (I'm not being argumentative at all and just trying to get to the basis of facts so much that we know or infer from what we've seen):

1. Is the new Chamber part going out with new orders?
2. Are RMAs sent in with 3 parts like mine coming back with the new Chamber part, or is this on a case-by-case basis?

Happy Sunday to all. I need more coffee...

 

[voodoo_vape]

So my questions still remain and I'll ask them again (I'm not being argumentative at all and just trying to get to the basis of facts so much that we know or infer from what we've seen):

1. Is the new Chamber part going out with new orders?
2. Are RMAs sent in with 3 parts like mine coming back with the new Chamber part, or is this on a case-by-case basis?

Happy Sunday to all. I need more coffee...

Happy Sunday to you too mate!
I've also sent them an email related to this new style body so let's hope that they'll clarify that..

A friend of mine that purchased a 2nd SS from vaposhop few weeks ago, who told him that its the new batch of hoppers, cannot get the chamber apart but the hopper itself hits quite well even on 1.5 on the dial as he told me.
So either the hoppers that vaposhop has are not of the latest updated ones or mine should not come apart or this only applies on Ti units(?)... I don't know what to say... Only HL can confirm all those questions that have risen now....

 

[Vaporific]

Happy Sunday to you too mate!
I've also sent them an email related to this new style body so let's hope that they'll clarify that..

A friend of mine that purchased a 2nd SS from vaposhop few weeks ago, who told him that its the new batch of hoppers, cannot get the chamber apart but the hopper itself hits quite well even on 1.5 on the dial as he told me.
So either the hoppers that vaposhop has are not of the latest updated ones or mine should not come apart or this only applies on Ti units(?)... I don't know what to say... Only HL can confirm all those questions that have risen now....

Please do relay any info you receive from HL about this. OR if anyone has definitive, conclusive info directly from HL as to what they're currently doing - either with brand new units or RMAs - or plan to do involving the "Chamber" piece or part, or whatever we're calling it. And PLEASE discount the micro electronic pieces or components which are the guts of the unit (well, at least the Chamber piece; no telling what's in the backend but let's refer to the backend in it's entirey for now since I don't recall reading about anyone trying to break this down or seeing any pictures of the internals of the backend).

Sometimes keeping it simple and using the same jargon helps - me and everyone else .

My pre-order Ti has been in RMA since September. It was shipped in July '16 as 3 pieces. Again, unless I did a technical breakdown the chamber is/was fixed inside the 'bottom' of the body adjacent to the frontend with NO WAY to unscrew it or remove it from the body. Now comes along the Chamber piece which I'm concerned about if that's what they'll send me when I didn't have one before.

I think I'm going to poke the bear again, i.e. write them again within the span of a few days inquiring abou my RMA status. They haven't replied yet to my earlier message. Go figure!