Discontinued The Grasshopper

[sundaddy]

I pulled the trigger last week, you only live once!

 

[Just Justin]

Did you have to change draw technique at all? I couldn't find any cheese cloth out and about just now but you did inspire me to see if my FF concentrate pads fit the GH (they don't you could probably cut them to size but then getting it out ...) anyway, I then decided to us the FF pads in the actual FF because I have this Tres Seis Agent Orange errl.

Well after I finally remembered how to use the FF, particularly for concentrates but in general, what I remembered is that with the FF's fixed temperature, not only does draw speed decrease temperature but in the FF they are specifically using that as a design feature so for concentrates that requires a high temp ergo very slow draw.

So just wondering if like the FF did the GH require a different draw technique to work with concentrates

No, I just used the GH Just like I do with herb but I am still experimenting and I am thinking a slower draw would help produce more vapor. I do have pads like the ff and you can 're-shape them to fit but I had a problem when I put a metal screen in the bottom of the GH chamber right on top of the solder points and I think the screen super heated the solder and it kind of almost/might have melted them so I would be careful of your putting anything metal in the chamber unless your able to keep it away from the solder or you have the new screen that sits above the solder points like on page 69......I would talk to Trevor and see what he thinks about that.

@Just Justin is that a Stainless Hopper?

I have a SS and its perfect but I am also getting a Ti GH as well.

 

[zymos]

Man, that $45 just burnin a hole in your pocket? Buy a rig that your future pen will fit in

It's not about having too much money, it was about wondering if spending a bit more would get me a product less prone to problems....

 

[mindful1]

Zion does have a voltage knob, and it works remarkably well for temp stepping by the way, while not exactly temp controlled precisely, I find it extremely effective and intuitive personally.

Hoppers precise temp control in on demand convection is very valuable though, and fairly unprecedented I believe for a portable, nonetheless one so small and stealthy...

@RastaBuddhaTao is also working on a bare bones single battery portable too @Old School, like a convection mflb (I describe Zion as an MFLSV, simple wooden portable with on demand LSV desktop power + 18mm glass)

Doesn't have the fancy new age tech and bells and whistles of GH in that package, but Zion is super effective and super simple, minimal design and materials, all pure and natural

It will be very interesting for me to compare when my Hopper comes, since I've always belived in it and based on what weve heard, but the Zion is just so intense in the best way, insanely powerful and versatile imo. Just check out my beta test posts in the thread


EDIT: another thought re batteries Zi vs GH:

GH you get usb, use while charging though not pass through so you have to wait for some charge and may not be great for battery longevity, but they will eventually have an external charger for sale they asure. However their batteries are proprietary and their size, and battery life is limited (though I do think 3-4 bowls sounds like plenty), reasonably quick charge time at just over an hour too though, like FF kinda quick to charge and discharge.

With Zion you get standard 18650s, any mah and these are plentiful for some, a standard size available in stores. Though it takes two (single battery mini version takes one though), the battery life is super long, like 5-8+ bowls probably depending on load size and voltages used. Yes you must charge separately in any charger (nitecores i2-4 and even better d2-4 work great, we don't know about GH and them), but charging separately does allow you to not be dependent on the devise sitting there to charge like I would need to do with my Firefly proprietary batteries (since i never got their own proprietary external charger).

RBT also plans to offer AC pass through packs so you can also plug Zion and its bretheren in to run true pass through off the wall power... I hope/presume Grasshopper is planning some thing similar way down the line too actually

Thanks for the thorough comparison/contrast between the Zion & GH. I was tempted to correct some of the misinformation in @jojo monkey's post but was hoping that one of you more qualified Zion beta testers would jump in with better info. For sure, both have their unique qualities and hence I've pre-ordered each. Now the question --- which will arrive first!

 

[slcbdco]

Sorry @Just Justin I gotta call you out because you've been straight Treatin yo' self! a GH and a MiVape! Awesome man, gotta give us this scoop! My guess is the MiVape is the evil love child of a GH and a pax2, which if so I wants to has it!

 

[pakalolo]

Thanks for the thorough comparison/contrast between the Zion & GH. I was tempted to correct some of the misinformation in @jojo monkey's post but was hoping that one of you more qualified Zion beta testers would jump in with better info. For sure, both have their unique qualities and hence I've pre-ordered each. Now the question --- which will arrive first!

To be fair to @jojo monkey, the Zion and the GH really are completely different from each other. The only real misinformation in his post was that you need to push the button in a pattern to maintain temperature. In fact, one of the nice things about the Zion is that you don't have to do this—it uses push-and-hold operation. That aside, I agree that it's an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[mindful1]

To be fair to @jojo monkey, the Zion and the GH really are completely different from each other. The only real misinformation in his post was that you need to push the button in a pattern to maintain temperature. In fact, one of the nice things about the Zion is that you don't have to do this—it uses push-and-hold operation. That aside, I agree that it's an apples to oranges comparison.

The primary thing I wanted to correct was his statement that the Zion has, "No temperature control". Of course as one the primary beta testers, you know better than me but from the RBT web-site, "50 watts of power with a variable temperature control make it easy to find your "sweet spot." (typical run range is 40% - 70% capacity)." My apologies to @jojo monkey if I came off as a bit harsh. Upon re-reading my post I realize that I could have found a more diplomatic way to make my point. I do like apples and oranges and look forward to both to treat my VAS!

 

[pakalolo]

The primary thing I wanted to correct was his statement that the Zion has, "No temperature control". Of course as one the primary beta testers, you know better than me but from the RBT web-site, "50 watts of power with a variable temperature control make it easy to find your "sweet spot." (typical run range is 40% - 70% capacity)." My apologies to @jojo monkey if I came off as a bit harsh. Upon re-reading my post I realize that I could have found a more diplomatic way to make my point. I do like apples and oranges and look forward to both to treat my VAS!

Technically, it doesn't have temperature control, it has a power setting knob. Your apology is appreciated and in the spirit we like to maintain around FC, so thank you.

 

[Jared]

Taken from reddit by user "ADirtyHookahHose"

I can't really say that I love my Grasshopper...

I think it's a great portable because of the size, discretion and power, but it's not very well suited for my preferences because I like to vape hotter temps.

The mouthpiece will be too hot to touch even with the silicone sleeve at the end of one full bowl at temp 5, and the whole unit will be hot enough to make it uncomfortable to hold. The whole unit will get too hot to hold during the second bowl at temp 5. Same if you do two bowls at temp 4+. The body nor mouthpiece will get too hot after one bowl at temp 4, but might be too hot to hold depending on your sensitivity, for me it's borderline uncomfortable/too hot.

It would be a good hand warmer in the winter. Maybe I'll like the GH more when it gets colder...

So basically it will be my vape one hitter with temp control when I'm mobile. I don't really see myself reaching for the GH over the Lotus when at home, probably only when I need a "top off" when I don't have two hands available for my Lotus, which is already a pretty rare occasion.

There were people defending it including of course you know who. Saying it's not an all purpose device and neither is their Honda, etc etc.

To that I responded with

"Except Honda doesn't market the Accord as an all terrain vehicle. GHL has promised the moon with the Grasshopper and it clearly doesn't deliver for some people. If ONE BOWL on the max temp gets too hot to be comfortable I'm pretty sure they should divulge that information on their website or in the shopping cart before you check out.

I hate the blind defense of GHL just because they're a small company.

If they were marketing this vaporizer as a one hitter that would be one thing but they're not. One of the only demo videos they've posted shows the Grasshopper filling up a MASSIVE glass cylinder for a pretty long time. Sure maybe it was just to show its potential but they should've put a disclaimer "you will never actually be able to do this because it will get too hot"

 

[vapebuddy13]

Taken from reddit by user "ADirtyHookahHose"



There were people defending it including of course you know who. Saying it's not an all purpose device and neither is their Honda, etc etc.

To that I responded with

"Except Honda doesn't market the Accord as an all terrain vehicle. GHL has promised the moon with the Grasshopper and it clearly doesn't deliver for some people. If ONE BOWL on the max temp gets too hot to be comfortable I'm prrtty sure they should divulge that information on their website or in the shopping cart before you check out.

I hate the blind defense of GHL just because they're a small company.

If they were marketing this vaporizer as a one hitter that would be one thing but they're not. One of the only demo videos they've posted shows the Grasshopper filling up a MASSIVE glass cylinder for a pretty long time. Sure maybe it was just to show its potential but they should've put a disclaimer "you will never actually be able to do this because it will get too hot"

but you can, its just might need to be paired with some glass, it seems it can be what it claims to do, just not as simply as people believe... you make a good point but how do you write "will be too hot for some people to use in certain ways" its not so clear cut since Im sure there are people who will be able to kill a bowl on 5 without any real issues.

 

[Jared]

but you can, its just might need to be paired with some glass, it seems it can be what it claims to do, just not as simply as people believe... you make a good point but how do you write "will be too hot for some people to use in certain ways" its not so clear cut since Im sure there are people who will be able to kill a bowl on 5 without any real issues.

The need for it to be paired with glass to be used properly takes away completely from the main selling point which is being able to use it anywhere anytime.

 

[Mr. Me2]

Taken from reddit by user "ADirtyHookahHose"



There were people defending it including of course you know who. Saying it's not an all purpose device and neither is their Honda, etc etc.

To that I responded with

"Except Honda doesn't market the Accord as an all terrain vehicle. GHL has promised the moon with the Grasshopper and it clearly doesn't deliver for some people. If ONE BOWL on the max temp gets too hot to be comfortable I'm prrtty sure they should divulge that information on their website or in the shopping cart before you check out.

I hate the blind defense of GHL just because they're a small company.

If they were marketing this vaporizer as a one hitter that would be one thing but they're not. One of the only demo videos they've posted shows the Grasshopper filling up a MASSIVE glass cylinder for a pretty long time. Sure maybe it was just to show its potential but they should've put a disclaimer "you will never actually be able to do this because it will get too hot"

@Jared-just wondering... Do you have a gh yet or have you tried one?

 

[Jared]

@Jared-just wondering... Do you have a gh yet or have you tried one?

Doesn't matter. Literally every single person that has and has posted about it, even the glowingly good reviews like slcbdco have mentioned how hot it can get, and you know people like him are sugar coating it. Never have I seen so many people mention a vaporizer getting too hot to use after such a short period of use.

Edit: I've got money in one of these just like most everyone else here. I want to see them do good and I hope it's an amazing product but I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend it's all rainbows and butterflies. They should at the very least make it known before you purchase that it CAN get too hot to use with minimal use.

 

[Kalessin]

Hmm...that's the first report I've seen of someone saying the GH was too hot to even -hold- that wasn't malfunctioning...

 

[Mr. Me2]

Doesn't matter. Literally every single person that has and has posted about it, even the glowingly good reviews like slcbdco have mentioned how hot it can get, and you know people like him are sugar coating it. Never have I seen so many people mention a vaporizer getting too hot to use after such a short period of use.

For me, I keep watching this and the gh shipping thread because I'm anxious for more units in the wild and corresponding range of real world use input/reviews. We have all seen there (so far) is no "perfect" Vape. Even a Vape that most agree is tops, is not for every situation. Because I am not really a session guy (and hate waste), the gh design, and convection vapes generally, seem better suited for me . But to each his own.

I've been concerned with heat in the gh too. That's why I've asked some of the questions I have. But at this point, it was more a ss v. Ti consideration. Not to say I'm not concerned about heat and comfort while using. But anticipating a one and done approach, rather than sessioning, I think I (and others) will be ok. But we need more reports from more people! So keepum coming! The good, the bad, and the ugly.

 

[Snappo]

Reports of GH use and comfort levels have been varied among current owners. For some, heat has not been much, if any, of an issue; others have cited complaints with some urgency - they're all valid IMO. It has not yet been publicly disclosed or perhaps even determined with certainty whether unit comfort/performance levels varies greatly among units, or whether some units are getting hotter than GH intended for some reason due to defect, or individual user technique largely accounts for their own discomfort. Onlookers & owners will have to ultimately decide whether the GH is for them (will or will not order, cancel order, sell used, or continue using and maybe even enjoying). Now, however, may not be the best time to come to a final judgement, as too few GH's are out in the wild, and even fewer detailed competent reports/reviews and GHL disclosure statements exist.

 

[pakalolo]

I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and pretend it's all rainbows and butterflies like some of you are doing.

This sort of comment is inflammatory. Please do not make comments about any other member's character or posting style.

 

[2clicker]

Taken from reddit by user "ADirtyHookahHose"



There were people defending it including of course you know who. Saying it's not an all purpose device and neither is their Honda, etc etc.

To that I responded with

"Except Honda doesn't market the Accord as an all terrain vehicle. GHL has promised the moon with the Grasshopper and it clearly doesn't deliver for some people. If ONE BOWL on the max temp gets too hot to be comfortable I'm pretty sure they should divulge that information on their website or in the shopping cart before you check out.

I hate the blind defense of GHL just because they're a small company.

If they were marketing this vaporizer as a one hitter that would be one thing but they're not. One of the only demo videos they've posted shows the Grasshopper filling up a MASSIVE glass cylinder for a pretty long time. Sure maybe it was just to show its potential but they should've put a disclaimer "you will never actually be able to do this because it will get too hot"

agreed. i know this has been spoken about a few times, but they did say it could replace a desktop. i do not see this being the case.

market it for what it is. otherwise there are going to be many more reviews like the one you posted.

having said that i am still considering a GH as a portable, but i know i would almost never use it at home.

 

[Jared]

For me, I keep watching this and the gh shipping thread because I'm anxious for more units in the wild and corresponding range of real world use input/reviews. We have all seen there (so far) is no "perfect" Vape. Even a Vape that most agree is tops, is not for every situation. Because I am not really a session guy (and hate waste), the gh design, and convection vapes generally, seem better suited for me . But to each his own.

I've been concerned with heat in the gh too. That's why I've asked some of the questions I have. But at this point, it was more a ss v. Ti consideration. Not to say I'm not concerned about heat and comfort while using. But anticipating a one and done approach, rather than sessioning, I think I (and others) will be ok. But we need more reports from more people! So keepum coming! The good, the bad, and the ugly.

I agree with everything you said, but I think that if it is a one hitter type of device grasshopper should make that EXTREMELY clear on their website.

 

[zymos]

I just know that personally, I'm not going to be polishing off an entire load at once at a setting of 5.
Back when we first heard anyone's reports, like when Buzz got his, it seemed like the proper way to use it was to take a hit, click it off, let it cool a few seconds, repeat.

I don't know that GHL really implied one or the other about session vs. one hitter, but I'm a one hitter kind of guy, so never really worried about it too much.

Now if it is getting too hot to hold just from turning it on, as has happened with a few, THAT is a problem...

 

[vapebuddy13]

agreed. i know this has been spoken about a few times, but they did say it could replace a desktop. i do not see this being the case.

market it for what it is. otherwise there are going to be many more reviews like the one you posted.

having said that i am still considering a GH as a portable, but i know i would almost never use it at home.

So while many talk about this as a possible desktop replacement and such (and may have been touched on the indigogo page/updates I just checked the website and doesnt seem to really mention a whole lot of what the GH is supposed to be besides one of the most tech advanced portable vapes out there and to be a great and convenient portable vape... which it pretty much is. Of course through the journey of finalizing everything it isnt unheard of to shoot for the sky, and with adapters/water pieces the gh very well may compete against a desktop, just maybe not as straight forward and unit to unit as everyone thinks of it.

The need for it to be paired with glass to be used properly takes away completely from the main selling point which is being able to use it anywhere anytime.

it can be used anywhere anytime. it being too hot to vape a full bowl at 5 in one quick sitting doesnt mean you cant use it anywhere or anytime... just means you cant use it every way you may want it to.

 

[slcbdco]

Taken from reddit by user "ADirtyHookahHose"



There were people defending it including of course you know who. Saying it's not an all purpose device and neither is their Honda, etc etc.

To that I responded with

"Except Honda doesn't market the Accord as an all terrain vehicle. GHL has promised the moon with the Grasshopper and it clearly doesn't deliver for some people. If ONE BOWL on the max temp gets too hot to be comfortable I'm prrtty sure they should divulge that information on their website or in the shopping cart before you check out.

I hate the blind defense of GHL just because they're a small company.

If they were marketing this vaporizer as a one hitter that would be one thing but they're not. One of the only demo videos they've posted shows the Grasshopper filling up a MASSIVE glass cylinder for a pretty long time. Sure maybe it was just to show its potential but they should've put a disclaimer "you will never actually be able to do this because it will get too hot"

I had already responded on that thread "That makes a lot of sense to me. I've said before its NOT going to be everybodies go to vape, but I think it will be for a lot of people. I do think it's versatile but it's optimal usage is a a personal device "one-hitter" as you say. For me I like that, I like being able to take 2-3 flavorful hits and get in with my day, but for someone who likes to session there are more optimal devices for that. I keep my pax2 around for that reason."

I have said numerous times that this vape isn't for everyone on this thread and reddit as well saying and even recommending vapes that are better in certain circumstances so while I have and am certainly VERY enthusiastic, it's hard,y "blind". My experiences and feedback come from having a GH in hand.

For example, I just set my GH to temp 5, took 3 big rips, waits a little because ya know, sure the mouthpiece was hot (not unbearable, no I didn't burn myself, but I noticed and this level of comfort is going to be individual for ME it was FINE) but more importantly the 3 BIG RIPS I just took! I was ready to chill for a minute.

Then a minute or so later I took 3 more, was the tip still hot? Yup! Too hot for 3 more big rips? NOPE!

I would say that assuming something that I just did twice on an actual Grasshoppper is "impossible" is a "blind" assumption. The poster said it was uncomfortable for them, they are probably right about that, just like those who have said its not uncomfortable for them are also right. As I've said before, if long high temp sessions are your jam, the GH is NOT the best vape for you, there are plenty of devices that we all know do that well, they're also double the price and don't start up in 5 seconds. To each their own.

Also I the same thread th poster did say he does LIKE the GH just doesn't LOVE it and when someone offered to buy it they declined sighting a. the warranty and b. that they have places and instances they plan to use it, just that for they're preference at home, Vaping long sessions at high temps, which btw YOU CAN TOTALLY DO WITH A GH, we've seen all those bubbler videos but that person prefers a lotus.

Just like if I'm on my balcony with a friend sipping whiskey figuring shit out, I'll probably roll us both spliffs.

The GH is versatile for sure but I've said many times and I think others have as well and really even GH says that it's designed to be and is optimally used as a personal device. I think the car analogy makes sense. If I'm driving cross country every week, probably I'd get a Prius, if I'm driving on gravel roads everyday, probably a Ford truck, but since usually I'm driving around town, but sometimes cross country so I'd like to be comfortable and sometimes it's ski season, I have a all wheel drive BMW.

And that is precisely how I've described the GH, it's my daily driver because it's the BMW of my available options.

pax2 - Prius reliable and modern so long as you can stay awake

Firefly - Saab, super cool and fun .... when it's working ..., which ain't often, but even when it's limping it's cool, you don't "have" to fix it and when that turbo does kick in! Oh right THATS why I have this!

Spliff - Uber, split it with a friend, talk about nothing for awhile and sooner or later you'll get there

Bong - 76' Buick Century Coupe (insert your grandpa's car here) You know it's slow, you know it's a gas guzzler and you know it doesn't "actually" smell good but man is it comfortable

Bowl -Vespa it's fast effecient but the whole point is I don't want anyone to see me do it!

Joint - A modern bar, fun, it gets you fucked up but it's missing something .....oh that's it Tobacco!

Grasshopper - BMW 3 Series, because likewise if your daily driver is something else you've made a huge mistake. I would recommend you stop making that mistake and treat yo' self to a 3 series, the GH charger works just fine in the car!


FWIW I am a total BMWgelical. In the past year 3 of my friends have bought 3 sereies of various vintages and all totally thank me all the time. Similarly how first time BMW owners spend WAY too much on repairs because they didn't know what it was like love a car before (even if they thought they did it's so cute watch) and since mechanics know that they just lie but eventually figure out that if you drove your car in to get an oil change you can drive it home without spendign$2,000 on stuff they would like to fix to make your car "perfect" because it's a car it's NEVER perfect but it's a 3 series so it's ALWAYS reliable,

I have found and it seems most are finding over time that once you get a good rhythm with the GH the heat ends up not being an issue. At first I used the mouthpiece cover, now I only use it as a bong adapter.

 

[Jared]

it can be used anywhere anytime. it being too hot to vape a full bowl at 5 in one quick sitting doesnt mean you cant use it anywhere or anytime... just means you cant use it every way you may want it to.

Haha, kind of like how the old iPhone antennae was a "feature," and you were just holding the phone wrong right?

I just know that personally, I'm not going to be polishing off an entire load at once at a setting of 5.

And that's awesome for you and everyone else who purchased it with the idea of hitting it once or twice at a time. Me and I'm sure plenty of other people on the other hand purchased it assuming that you would be able to fully vaporize a bowl on any of the devices given heat settings comfortably. Not an outrageous assumption if you ask me, especially after the videos they showed us of it performing.

 

[sundaddy]

The Video's I've seen, people are blowing clouds over and over with no edits, the 2 girls getting wrecked on the couch never complained or threw it down.

 

[Jared]

The Video's I've seen, people are blowing clouds over and over with no edits, the 2 girls getting wrecked on the couch never complained or threw it down.

Care to share? I've only seen people either hitting it once and putting it down or using it through glass. Would love to see some people ripping it over and over without issue.