Discontinued The Grasshopper

[JiggyJack]

Twice. It's in Buzz's video.

Version 1.0? Not that that is likely to have changed.

 

[slcbdco]

There are at least a couple others out there - you'll probably see posts trickle here this week. If any other FC users get their units step up!


I'm working right now but just playing with this in my hand as it feels nice - I do wish it could actually write/function as a pen however...

Maybe someone could create one of those "inkless" metal pen nubs as a tip so it could write? That would be pretty neat...

A styles pen cap would be a cool aftermarket accessory

 

[SmokinMagic]

@midgetsanchez @BuzzDanklin
Good question raised on reddit I haven't seen the answer to. Do you have to press the button once or twice after auto-shutoff to turn it back on?

Buzz answered this question for me a while back, but you have to click it twice after it auto shuts off.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Oh damn, I forgot about that. I remember being surprised in the video when buzz clicked it twice. I assumed it would be single click on/off like a pen.

It is like a pen, you have to turn a pen off (retract tip) after you turn it on (extend tip). The hardware is unaffected by the software (aka autoshutoff), so it needs to be set back to off even after the autoshutoff engages

 

[pakalolo]

So if I start a GH Bitch Fest thread and everyone comes and piles on, that would be a workable solution?

Just a hypothetical, I'm not really in the mood for it....

Only if the discussion didn't break our rules against company-bashing. I'd say the odds of that happening are pretty high.

Can we please stop posting about the thread and how it is managed? I already posted what to do if you have a question or concern.

 

[Kalessin]

I wish it was possible to know more about the way the Grasshopper works. I'm not technically inclined enough to really understand it, I'm sure, but. The way it transmits electronic signals, without wires, through the body of the vape...I've never heard of anything that did that before. I'm really curious about it, isn't that supposedly part of what is supposed to make it so durable and cheap?

 

[baltik]

Grasshopper was waiting for me when I got home, stainless case was not in the package - will have to follow up with trevor on that.

First impression - feels nice and substantial, well machined although i can already some slight imperfections from the factory. Buzz alluded to the fact that the finish was not all that durable and his was fairly scratched up after some moderate use. Jury is still out but I can definitely see that being the case.

I popped in the battery and did a dry hit at the half way mark - I could taste that new vape electronic flavor immediately. I went ahead and turned the heat all the way up and gently blew through the air intake holes (where the led lights are) sure enough a decent sized cloud emerged. Not wanting to subject my lungs to that I am currently doing burn ins. I've cycled it about 15 times already and while the cloud is much less visible it's still there... To be honest i think this is fairly typical of new vapes I've certainly experienced it with my Davince Ascent and N02, so I am not TOO concerned but more of a heads up to future users not to immediately load it up and start going to town..

will keep everyone posted

 

[Mister G]

I wish it was possible to know more about the way the Grasshopper works. I'm not technically inclined enough to really understand it, I'm sure, but. The way it transmits electronic signals, without wires, through the body of the vape...I've never heard of anything that did that before. I'm really curious about it, isn't that supposedly part of what is supposed to make it so durable and cheap?

Good topic, the way I understand it, the fewer actual parts, i.e. no wiring, means much less to wear down over time, hence added durability.

While I think that's impressive, I am personally more interested in the 3d printed heater and the miniaturization of something so powerful. I am imagining that it forces air through a heated pathway, likely with the airpath narrowing to create a "venturi" effect and increase the speed to achieve target heat as well as produce it on demand with little drop off during inhalation. This has been done before but I don't think at such a small scale. It's shape may be very specific and proprietary.

There's also the custom designed battery.

 

[vapemon]

Grasshopper was waiting for me when I got home, stainless case was not in the package - will have to follow up with trevor on that.

First impression - feels nice and substantial, well machined although i can already some slight imperfections from the factory. Buzz alluded to the fact that the finish was not all that durable and his was fairly scratched up after some moderate use. Jury is still out but I can definitely see that being the case.

I popped in the battery and did a dry hit at the half way mark - I could taste that new vape electronic flavor immediately. I went ahead and turned the heat all the way up and gently blew through the air intake holes (where the led lights are) sure enough a decent sized cloud emerged. Not wanting to subject my lungs to that I am currently doing burn ins. I've cycled it about 15 times already and while the cloud is much less visible it's still there... To be honest i think this is fairly typical of new vapes I've certainly experienced it with my Davince Ascent and N02, so I am not TOO concerned but more of a heads up to future users not to immediately load it up and start going to town..

will keep everyone posted

Sweet! Try and take some pics of the scratches, a brand new pen shouldn't come scracthed.

 

[We5d]

Grasshopper was waiting for me when I got home, stainless case was not in the package - will have to follow up with trevor on that.

First impression - feels nice and substantial, well machined although i can already some slight imperfections from the factory. Buzz alluded to the fact that the finish was not all that durable and his was fairly scratched up after some moderate use. Jury is still out but I can definitely see that being the case.

I popped in the battery and did a dry hit at the half way mark - I could taste that new vape electronic flavor immediately. I went ahead and turned the heat all the way up and gently blew through the air intake holes (where the led lights are) sure enough a decent sized cloud emerged. Not wanting to subject my lungs to that I am currently doing burn ins. I've cycled it about 15 times already and while the cloud is much less visible it's still there... To be honest i think this is fairly typical of new vapes I've certainly experienced it with my Davince Ascent and N02, so I am not TOO concerned but more of a heads up to future users not to immediately load it up and start going to town..

will keep everyone posted

What could these clouds be from? Glue?

 

[lwien]

I went ahead and turned the heat all the way up and gently blew through the air intake holes (where the led lights are) sure enough a decent sized cloud emerged. Not wanting to subject my lungs to that I am currently doing burn ins. I've cycled it about 15 times already and while the cloud is much less visible it's still there... To be honest i think this is fairly typical of new vapes I've certainly experienced it with my Davince Ascent and N02,

This hasn't been typical of any of the vaporizers that I've ever had. While I totally understand the need for a burn-in, a decent sized cloud along with cloud visibility after 15 cycles at full power, in my experience, is not typical at all.

The Ascent and the NO2 that you mention above both had to go through some running production changes to address this issue as was commented on by the manufacturers themselves although I don't know if they've been totally addressed.

 

[Kalessin]

Good topic, the way I understand it, the fewer actual parts, i.e. no wiring, means much less to wear down over time, hence added durability.

While I think that's impressive, I am personally more interested in the 3d printed heater and the miniaturization of something so powerful. I am imagining that it forces air through a heated pathway, likely with the airpath narrowing to create a "venturi" effect and increase the speed to achieve target heat as well as produce it on demand with little drop off during inhalation. This has been done before but I don't think at such a small scale. It's shape may be very specific and proprietary.

There's also the custom designed battery.

It does seem so amazing that they figured out how to make something as powerful as the Mighty which is probably considered to be the most heavy duty portable vape out there in such a small package. Potentially even more powerful, since we know the heater maxes out at 45 watts and I've never heard what the Crafty or Mighty max at.

 

[Spinuch]

It took until consumer #2 (That has spoken up on FC) for talk of offgassing. This is bad news to me. I remember people said there's no such thing as fuming with a convection vape and not to worry about the GH.

I thought Grasshopper said they were doing tests on the vapes before they'd be sent out?

 

[Mister G]

It does seem so amazing that they figured out how to make something as powerful as the Mighty which is probably considered to be the most heavy duty portable vape out there in such a small package. Potentially even more powerful, since we know the heater maxes out at 45 watts and I've never heard what the Crafty or Mighty max at.

It's been mentioned that the Mighty heater maxes out at 30 watts (35?), but I think the math used to calculate is not equivalent as it's been said the GH can reach 45 but averages out to 30, or something like that.

 

[Kalessin]

Yeah I'm not sure how the math on that(or much of anything) works, but it still seems impressive to me. And then you have to consider that the Crafty and Mighty take, I think, around 90 seconds to heat, compared to the 5 seconds of the Grasshopper. That seems almost impossibly efficient to me, are there really any other vapes that even get within 10 seconds of that? The only one I know of is the Lotus and perhaps other flame vapes that I haven't heard of.

 

[baltik]

I wish it was possible to know more about the way the Grasshopper works. I'm not technically inclined enough to really understand it, I'm sure, but. The way it transmits electronic signals, without wires, through the body of the vape...I've never heard of anything that did that before. I'm really curious about it, isn't that supposedly part of what is supposed to make it so durable and cheap?

There's definitely some wires they can be seen through the intake holes

 

[Kalessin]

Well, I guess I never actually saw anything that said that there were NO wires, just that it communicates through the metal pieces of the body to cut down on wires. I think I maybe saw something that said it was like, 95% metal or something similar

 

[Mister G]

That seems almost impossibly efficient to me, are there really any other vapes that even get within 10 seconds of that? The only one I know of is the Lotus and perhaps other flame vapes that I haven't heard of.

My Daisy and Lily torch vapes are near instant as well, can meet or maybe even beat the GH speed, it's a great feature tbh. Zero warmup time unlike most vapes. I predict in the future all vaporizers will be instant on.

I'm surprised about the wires as well, I thought there were none or virtually none, but maybe it's minimal, you can really see them?

 

[Kalessin]

My Daisy and Lily torch vapes are near instant as well, can meet or maybe even beat the GH speed, it's a great feature tbh. Zero warmup time unlike most vapes. I predict in the future all vaporizers will be instant on.

I'm surprised about the wires as well, I thought there were none or virtually none, but maybe it's minimal, you can really see them?

"Technical Details - Simplicity Through Design
Grasshopper utilizes advanced technology in both its design and manufacture. By using the best materials and processes available, we've ensured the maximum possible efficiency, durability and battery life.

Exterior - By constructing the entire housing from stainless steel, we've made it incredibly thin while maintaining excellent durability. A thin, strong housing maximizes interior space, allowing for a larger battery and chamber.

Circuitry - Grasshopper uses a pair of microprocessors to monitor user input and precisely control temperature. These microprocessors communicate through the metal housing of Grasshopper, relaying information from one end to the other. This allows us to build Grasshopper with no wires. This saves space, increases reliability, and reduces the cost of manufacture.

Heater - The heater is one of the most innovative elements of Grasshopper. Using Direct Metal Laser Sintering, (a type of metal 3D printing), we've created an extremely compact heat exchanger with very little flow resistance. A 30 Watt heating element means that Grasshopper will always keep up, no matter how aggressive your usage." Found this on the IndieGoGo page, so I don't know how accurate it is now. Also said on another part of the page is that they managed to squeeze a 36 millimeter airpath for the heating element.

 

[Vapor Loop]

Yes it's %95 metal. The question is are there wires in the acual air path.

 

[lwien]

There's definitely some wires they can be seen through the intake holes

This allows us to build Grasshopper with no wires.

Those wires "could" be the source of the off gassing. I believe that this was also the case with the Ascent, which they fixed in later production runs.

 

[Kalessin]

@midgetsanchez Have you tried doing a empty burn on yours?

 

[Edwardo]

I think off gassing will be from residue from the sintering process (the 3d printing or injection moulding of metal). I believe it has to go through various chemical 'washes' after being printed or moulded (to basically dissolve away any plastics left in the compound until it is 'pure' metal.) My guess is that if there was residue of this sort left over, it may take longer to burn off than most vapes, but probably nothing to worry about. If anyone is interested I can post a link to a good description of the sintering process? The only fair comparison would be against another type of vape that uses a printed or moulded heater.

top tip: flip the valve on your bicycle pump and you can use it to suck through your vape until it has stopped off gassing.... probably better than blowing hot air back into your vape, and definitely better than breathing it in!!

 

[stickstones]

Isn't this about when someone comes in here asking about when the version 2 is coming out?

 

[kahlilhc]

Are there really any other vapes that even get within 10 seconds of that?

As far as battery powered convection?....Elevape, it's inhalation activated (full temp in 1-2 sec), not sure how much power the coil uses though.

Curious how the Grasshopper will compares to both the Elevape and Firefly, they seem to be the only other instant-convection-in-your-pocket-vapes in the game....VASing hard for a grey Ti<--Edit: besides the talk of blowing clouds....offgas clouds