Discontinued The Grasshopper

[biohacker]

@biohacker explain me one thing please.. why do you leave your hoppers stuck on T5? Isn't there anything else to be extracted from lower temps for you?
So sorry for your hoperless situation... hopefully u ll have your other 3 back pretty soon!!

I'm a little confused by your question.... wouldn't there be more left to extract if using a lower temp? After my extraction at 5, there is nothing left...unless you use the abv, which I chuck like norris. Unless you mean, you start lower and temp step up? I honestly find zero use for the GH under t4.... my girlfriend uses it exclusively at 2-2.5 sometimes 3, she's a very low temp user, with sensitive lungs, so catches the THC when it starts to bubble around 157c and rides it until about 160ish. Low temp vapour does nothing for me, so I always go to the max with pretty much every single vaporizer except maybe the Supreme v3. Last night was the Herbalizer at max 229c, and the EVO, not so much at max, but higher than 210c (GH max).

The reason it's "stuck" on 5, is because it literally actually is STUCK on temp 5 and I can't move or budge the temp dial whatsoever. It's like the dial popped off just a millimetre and I can't do anything with it, push it nothing works. All good because the straight to blue was starting to happen pretty much every time, so it's time for a little vacation for my eldest hopper.

Today I demo the new EVO and herbalizer some more, but honestly just want my GH back! The EVO and Herbalizer will not be lasting in my collection more than this week, because I need to make some room for a companion that will be joining the GH soon for good...the supreme v3!

 

[Baron23]

I'm a little confused by your question.... wouldn't there be more left to extract if using a lower temp? After my extraction at 5, there is nothing left...unless you use the abv, which I chuck like norris. Unless you mean, you start lower and temp step up? I honestly find zero use for the GH under t4.... my girlfriend uses it exclusively at 2-2.5 sometimes 3, she's a very low temp user, with sensitive lungs, so catches the THC when it starts to bubble around 157c and rides it until about 160ish. Low temp vapour does nothing for me, so I always go to the max with pretty much every single vaporizer except maybe the Supreme v3. Last night was the Herbalizer at max 229c, and the EVO, not so much at max, but higher than 210c (GH max).

The reason it's "stuck" on 5, is because it literally actually is STUCK on temp 5 and I can't move or budge the temp dial whatsoever. It's like the dial popped off just a millimetre and I can't do anything with it, push it nothing works. All good because the straight to blue was starting to happen pretty much every time, so it's time for a little vacation for my eldest hopper.

Today I demo the new EVO and herbalizer some more, but honestly just want my GH back! The EVO and Herbalizer will not be lasting in my collection more than this week, because I need to make some room for a companion that will be joining the GH soon for good...the supreme v3!

So, that's four out of four in RMA status. Wow.

I feel fortunate that my Ti has been going strong now for about 9 months.....but I don't want to put the mouth on it so let's move on! haha

 

[moondog]

RMA update time:

You may remember that I had sent my SS hopper in for repair after having momentary red LED followed by nothing; no light, no heat. The hopper was returned with the lab unable to duplicate the issue. I then experienced what I perceived to be diminished performance accompanied by an instantaneous blazing back end as soon as I turned it on. Prior to that, the back end had always stayed nice and cool throughout sessions of any length.

I sent the hopper back to the lab and was told they would work on it until they determined the problem. Initially, they could not duplicate the problem but were going to continue testing. Then I got an email confirming that the unit was shipping back to me. I emailed Caroline to ask what they had found and she told me that: "If you did not receive an email with more details about your service, the device likely passed all tests and was returned to you."

Here's where it gets interesting: When I got my unit back, it had a different serial number! And the temp dial was extremely difficult to turn. It was impossible to turn the temp down without unscrewing the entire back end. And this was without a battery installed. With my damaged hands, this would be a real challenge. So what happened here? Did I get a new backend? Is this an old refurbed one? (A concern that came to mind because others have posted about receiving new back ends with temp dials that were super smooth and easy to turn.) Did I get someone else's hopper by mistake? And why was the serial number change not reflected on my warranty request page? So many questions.

So I emailed Caroline. Her response was quick and most informative:
- A backend might produce too much heat in the last step of testing and is then replaced.
-It is likely this is what happened with mine, but it was not documented properly on the warranty page.
-Caroline updated my page so that it reflects my new serial number.
-My new serial number indicates the backend is brand new and is from the latest batch with "all the most current parts and software installed."

I'm going to take the liberty of directly quoting the next bit about the new backends because it seems to be factual and important info: "These are a bit harder to turn and require you push the temp adjuster down as you turn it. Also, inserting a Battery will actually make it easier too, so try again once you have a Battery installed."

I can confirm that pushing down on the temp dial allows it to turn smoothly and easily, but without being pushed down it is extremely resistant to accidental adjustment.

I tested the unit last night and was rewarded with the superb hopper performance to which I had previously become accustomed. Hooray!!

So, overall, a positive warranty experience for me.

Tangential accessory note: I always give my hopper a thorough cleaning when it gets back from the lab. I was trying to figure out a good way to let my mouthpiece dry out after it's overnight soak. I discovered that if I place one of Ratchett's mini dual funnels upside down on a surface, the mouthpiece will sit in it perfectly with point facing down, allowing for total drainage and drying. What a GREAT tool!

At this point, I would say that buying a hopper without a Ratchett accessory assortment is like buying a car without a sound system. Yeah, you'll get where you want to go, but it's so much more pleasant and easier if you have it.

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

@moondog: Thank you for your post, I found it very interesting. I like the tip with the @Ratchett funnel, I have found that as specific and customized as his products are, they are also surprisingly versatile and can be utilized creatively in many ways.

The talk about the backends is very interesting to me. My 8 month old SS Grasshopper has a backend that is hard to turn unless you press down on it. My 5 month old Ti has a much smoother backend. I find it interesting they're going back to the less smooth backends.

I for one prefer them. I don't change temps much, so I prefer that it's harder to accidentally change the temp. There have actually been many times that my Ti's temp changed just in the process of taking it out of my pocket, or putting it in a leather sleeve, etc.

However, it's interesting that they say you are supposed to press down on it to change temps, but that is not in the instruction manual if I recall correctly. They really should have a manual that is a little more detailed in my opinion. Nothing too complex, just a little more information such as some tips on general operation and maintenance; and how to optimize your usage.

Also, I noticed that my Ti with the smooth backend, if I press down on it like my SS it feels kind of wobbly and mushy, and not good at all. It feels like something you shouldn't be doing if that makes sense. For people used to that backend it might be hard to adjust to the new (old?) style.

My Ti should be at Hopper Labs now and my guess is it will probably be getting a new body to fix the slow cop light error. I wonder if they will also update my backend to the newer style.

 

[biohacker]

So, that's four out of four in RMA status. Wow.

I feel fortunate that my Ti has been going strong now for about 9 months.....but I don't want to put the mouth on it so let's move on! haha

Well to be fair, I used the crap outta this ss og hopper, like 1.5g-2g/day easy, mostly on temp 5, not that it matters but it was well used.

Also, the 3 that were in rma were shipped out before my ss went belly up so technically I only have 1 hopper out of 4 in rma now!

Interesting about the backends....i'm getting 3 of them shortly so I wonder if it will be similar? Sounds like my older hopper backends! Actually prefer the smoother newer style myself, but i'll take what I can get as long as it works and doesn't get blistering hot!

 

[DocBurN]

wait a minute, there is "Already Been Vaped" brown herbs made into edibles ???

Lets say i fill out the chamber ( 0.3 gr ) of my GH.

What kind of % do i extract out of my material after 4-5 hits (i usually kill a chamber in 4 or 5 and the exit product is not black, mostly brown stuff.

I though the convection process was extracting 100% of the potency.
Do you keep or trash your after product ? Potency must be negligible

 

[Hogni]

Trash. In my eyes not worth the efforts. But just my personal opinion

 

[GreenHopper]

I keep all my AVB and make canna-caps with them.

I give the caps to a friend of mine who uses them to help deal with pain in a defective spine. Seems to be worth it, it's kept them off of the tramadol for almost a year now.

I run my Hopper loaded up 3/4 on T5 through a water tool. I hit the load once with a 10-15 second draw and then dump the AVB. I run on T5 as I find the heady high on the lower temps to heavy and I prefer a more rounded effect.

I know I could probably hit the load again but the second hit is always wispy.

As I'm making the caps I don't see it as a waste.

I'm sure you can extract the majority of actives using the Hopper, deciding if you want to is down to your choice of buzz or material supply circumstances.

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

A big thank you to @McQuack for the GH stand idea he posted here The Grasshopper stand .

I got bored this weekend and decided to use some of my nice Amboyna Burl wood to try making a desk stand for my GH.
Sorry for the HUGE pics, was trying to show off the wood grain.

So after posting the above GH stand I decided to take the advise of some wise FC members and not charge my GrassHopper upside down. So, I present Gen 2 of my GrassHopper stand.
It doesn't even look out of place sitting on my desk.

 

[Baron23]

wait a minute, there is "Already Been Vaped" brown herbs made into edibles ???

Lets say i fill out the chamber ( 0.3 gr ) of my GH.

What kind of % do i extract out of my material after 4-5 hits (i usually kill a chamber in 4 or 5 and the exit product is not black, mostly brown stuff.

I though the convection process was extracting 100% of the potency.
Do you keep or trash your after product ? Potency must be negligible

Check out the Cooking with Cannabis forum. Yes, you can make edibles out of AVB.

No, no vaporizer extracts completely, buy many do extract to a very good degree so it tends to take a LOT of AVB to make a potent butter or oil.

Not sure its worth it, but for those who desire sedation and pain relief, it may work well.

 

[Lookatmeglow]

So after posting the above GH stand I decided to take the advise of some wise FC members and not charge my GrassHopper upside down. So, I present Gen 2 of my GrassHopper stand.
It doesn't even look out of place sitting on my desk.

So what can't you make? That second stand looks great by the way. It definitely fits well on your desk, hell I would feel pretty comfortable having that on my desk at work. Just looks like a really fancy pen and stand.

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

So what can't you make? That second stand looks great by the way. It definitely fits well on your desk, hell I would feel pretty comfortable having that on my desk at work. Just looks like a really fancy pen and stand.

Thanks man, that's exactly where I have it on my desk at work. I was able to picture the stand in my mind but I just had to find the right posts to complete the look I was going for.
Last week while shopping with my wife I came across a "plant stand" that was the perfect color and on sale.
After a little help with the angle grinder the stand is missing two legs and the GrassHopper stand is born.

In it's resting state. I was gonna make a place for the GH to stand but I didn't want to deal with resin possibly building up on my wood.

 

[GreenHopper]

Thanks man, that's exactly where I have it on my desk at work. I was able to picture the stand in my mind but I just had to find the right posts to complete the look I was going for.
Last week while shopping with my wife I came across a "plant stand" that was the perfect color and on sale.
After a little help with the angle grinder the stand is missing two legs and the GrassHopper stand is born.

In it's resting state. I was gonna make a place for the GH to stand but I didn't want to deal with resin possibly building up on my wood.

Looks awesome bud, love the ingenuity.

I'd add a small dock on the bottom block towards the front so you can put the hopper in there whilst loading.

You could also add some other small docks/holes for tools like a cleaning brush or poker.

 

[DocBurN]

Not recharge upside down ? What was the lesson learn... never use a stand like this D3D (which i just ordered) ??

son of a b... what other things i should know... never vape at full moon without doing a voodoo ritual ?

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

Not recharge upside down ? What was the lesson learn... never use a stand like this D3D (which i just ordered) ??

son of a b... what other things i should know... never vape at full moon without doing a voodoo ritual ?

No worries man just add a little double sided tape like this smart guy and you'll be ok.

Props to @ChooChooCharlie and his brilliant mind.

 

[Hogni]

Another user taped the D3D stand bottom side up under his chair

EDIT To late...

 

[DocBurN]

yeah ok i get this but since GHL (i think) never told us to do that.. what problem exactly was found recharging upside down.. i must have missed that info..

Are you guys afraid you are going to gum up the heater with sticky stuff ? i need to find the science behind it..

AND ALSO.. thank you guys for your help... i have learned a lot so far.. FC kick sum major arses ;-)

 

[VAPEHUNTER]

yeah ok i get this but since GHL (i think) never told us to do that.. what problem exactly was found recharging upside down.. i must have missed that info..

Are you guys afraid you are going to gum up the heater with sticky stuff ? i need to find the science behind it..

AND ALSO.. thank you guys for your help... i have learned a lot so far.. FC kick sum major arses ;-)

That's exactly it. The concern of resins finding their way into the heater.

 

[DocBurN]

10-4. Appreciate the info! thats a good point..

i bought it mostly to make it stand up while i funnel stuff in.. and use right after..
I'll adapt my technics to this new info

 

[GreenHopper]

Just got this in the inbox:

Web Version

Grasshopper Grasshopper Mail
On-demand Delivery and the end of Pre-orders


Read this on our blog here.

Designing, constructing and delivering the Grasshopper was an incredible challenge and journey for everyone involved. After countless setbacks and delays, our small team managed to produce a world-class product without compromise. Our approach was totally unconventional and continually pushed us to make the Grasshopper better. We custom designed every part and chose to do things the right way rather than the fast way.

Next week we begin on-demand delivery of Hopper Labs products. Over the past two years, fast delivery was a goal knowing we had dedicated customers waiting patiently to receive a unit. The final retail prices of $200.00 for the Stainless Steel and $250.00 for the Titanium and Color will accompany this progress. At these prices, we are more competitive with the market, able to offer a better product, better warranty service, and a better experience. From the rounded off pricing (no 199.99) to the mechanical design and lifetime warranty, the Grasshopper is meant to show how products can be more about the customer than profits.

Hopper Labs, as a whole, is a unique entity in the consumer product world. Design, development, and production all happen in a single place under the guidance of a small team. Such close-knit ties between hardware and software, design and production create an environment where more is possible. We handle our distribution, warranty and customer service, so you are never dealing with a stranger. Our products are built in the USA, and in-house wherever possible. Hopper Labs remains a 100% founder owned company, having taken no outside investment.

So, next time you are out using the Grasshopper, think of the time and care that went into all its details.

 

[biohacker]

The final retail prices of $200.00 for the Stainless Steel and $250.00 for the Titanium and Color will accompany this progress

Yes! My stocks have gone up AGAIN!!!!! YEEEAAAAHHH!!!

 

[Baron23]

Just got this in the inbox:

Web Version

Grasshopper Grasshopper Mail
On-demand Delivery and the end of Pre-orders


Read this on our blog here.

Designing, constructing and delivering the Grasshopper was an incredible challenge and journey for everyone involved. After countless setbacks and delays, our small team managed to produce a world-class product without compromise. Our approach was totally unconventional and continually pushed us to make the Grasshopper better. We custom designed every part and chose to do things the right way rather than the fast way.

Next week we begin on-demand delivery of Hopper Labs products. Over the past two years, fast delivery was a goal knowing we had dedicated customers waiting patiently to receive a unit. The final retail prices of $200.00 for the Stainless Steel and $250.00 for the Titanium and Color will accompany this progress. At these prices, we are more competitive with the market, able to offer a better product, better warranty service, and a better experience. From the rounded off pricing (no 199.99) to the mechanical design and lifetime warranty, the Grasshopper is meant to show how products can be more about the customer than profits.

Hopper Labs, as a whole, is a unique entity in the consumer product world. Design, development, and production all happen in a single place under the guidance of a small team. Such close-knit ties between hardware and software, design and production create an environment where more is possible. We handle our distribution, warranty and customer service, so you are never dealing with a stranger. Our products are built in the USA, and in-house wherever possible. Hopper Labs remains a 100% founder owned company, having taken no outside investment.

So, next time you are out using the Grasshopper, think of the time and care that went into all its details.

Taht's nice. I'm glad for them and may order a second Ti GH now that they are immediate delivery.

But they now need to attack reliability and robustness issues with the same zeal that they addressed standing up manufacturing. My opinion.

 

[fogbank]

@DocBurN , since you're soliciting for on-the-go case advice...

https://www.amazon.com/Aston-Leathe...1487616445&sr=8-2&keywords=leather+pen+sleeve

IMHO the best leather sleeve, and reasonably priced. A buttery soft and think leather all around.

I wholeheartedly second this recommendation. I have a tan one for my Ti and a black one for my SS (otherwise it can be hard to tell the two Hoppers apart). The Hoppers fit perfectly and the sleeves offer enough protection to ease my mind. Obviously for greater protection some may want a hard shell case, but these leather sleeves fit my wants and needs perfectly!

 

[skyvaper]

So I happened to turn my hopper on in the dark with an empty chamber and no mp and I have some pretty heavy build-up that I unfortunately cannot clean as its through the screen. I can tell its heavy because Ive got two hoppers and the buildup is heavier on my older ss unit. Looks like a black ring around the heater. No more fine grind for me!!

 

[GreenHopper]

So I happened to turn my hopper on in the dark with an empty chamber and no mp and I have some pretty heavy build-up that I unfortunately cannot clean as its through the screen. I can tell its heavy because Ive got two hoppers and the buildup is heavier on my older ss unit. Looks like a black ring around the heater. No more fine grind for me!!

Oh no, could you possibly burn it off with a few empty bowl runs on T5 or is it really gummed up in there?