Discontinued The Grasshopper

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Well they're here finally! Photo with my early beta Milaana (and Zion stem):
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Haven't even tried the Blue Ti yet, both are super gorgeous, had a tiny taster pinch in SS then a 3/4 temp stepper bowl and now nearly done with another... The pros and cons are very evident right away, game changer is truth once these become more widely available, I have much more testing to do... Hopefully will get some Tre Seis(? did I get that spelling wrong @slcbdco lol) with which to do so properly soon

I spell Tres Seis wrong all the time as a. it's not in any particular language and b. I'm a birdhead

Nice blue hopper, welcome to the GIM! I recommend loose pinches and less and looser equals more clouds and TREATIN yo self!
 

newVaper420

Vapor Enthusiast
Let two combustion friends try the Grasshopper on 4.7ish with some really good flower and live resin mixed. I warned them but they said they wanted to get really baked. They're believers now. Both wanted to go buy a Grasshopper immediately until I told them about the line.

Yeah that's the problem. I think I'm gonna get in line. Mighty coming tomorrow. Daily driver is Cloud Evo, so even if I'm waiting for a while, it's ok. Someone compared it to a portable cloud, and that's exactly what I'm looking for :-)

Ok - quick question... I'm trying to decide between blue, purple and the regular silver color. When you scratch the blue and purple ones, do you get a silver line?

Also what do you guys think of the colors as opposed to the silver one? Any caveats? I really like how the blue ones look.
 

Vaperist

Well-Known Member
Yeah that's the problem. I think I'm gonna get in line. Mighty coming tomorrow. Daily driver is Cloud Evo, so even if I'm waiting for a while, it's ok. Someone compared it to a portable cloud, and that's exactly what I'm looking for :-)

Ok - quick question... I'm trying to decide between blue, purple and the regular silver color. When you scratch the blue and purple ones, do you get a silver line?

Also what do you guys think of the colors as opposed to the silver one? Any caveats? I really like how the blue ones look.

on colored Hoppers fingerprints can be seen.
 
Vaperist,

Mr. Me2

Well-Known Member
Haven't used it enough yet, but it's basically GH has ideals most stealth but sacrifices quite a bit as a result so direct use comparison to Zi/Mi is less favorable. It gives you precise temps but you need to hit it fast and hard so it can be much hotter and harsher, with materials and heater design the vapor quality just isn't anywhere as good as Milaana (Zion is even slightly better than that, more controlled larger more complex heater, all my RBT tech are rough betas though... GH seems near final?). They are all extremely effective tools though, powerful and efficient, its like stealthy self-contained automatic digital tech pen vs glass stem manual analog vapor pipe if that helps? Good for different things, I could run down pros and cons or go into more detailed breakdowns of the two styles. GH is like Pax meets Evo, where as Zion/Milaana are more MFLB meets LSV, sleek precision tech and fancy industrial design vs more simplisitic and naturally intuitive handcraft style, there are some compromises for this size and style but a lot of benefits while the RBT vapes bring their own compromises as well.

Edit:

Just tried a chunky grind in GH still full pack but better overall performance I think (for comparison sakes to above, Zi/Mi takes either) though this is also a different strain. Lotta testing, had a bowl in Blue Ti too, it really is only 2-3 bowls depending on use so maybe 4 max possible (Mi gets 4-6, Z more than double that) but I have much more testing in loads and useage to do ofcourse...

One thing I noticed and was wondering if any other users have noticed is when you click off the GH mid hit (so you can clear the heat going fully on demand) do you get a slight surge in heat? Noticed it on both my hoppers but not necessarily every hit and hard to really judge for sure, as I said more to test, so just looking for any previous user experience?

I do think not having a clicker but instead a more ergonomic trigger would be better from a useage standpoint, but it wouldn't look so much like a fancy pen then (maybe for an eventual Locust! That will be wider for better battery and other improvements too). I know it's not as disguised, but the clicking (and the fast inhale) is also kinda loud so hurting stealth a bit, we'll see about that out and about. I also think longer mouthpieces would be great, ones with cooling chambers especially, maybe some day...

Anyway bubbler time now (did try a few in the pwnt earlier, I think?) had @Alan make me an 18mm cork sleeve to fit the GH:
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the cork slides a bit so not ideal unfortunately

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this is working well though, silver fumed glass hook let's vapor breath a bit first, taste better, though you need to draw real fast n hard so controlling hits is a little tricky with button click style, sessioned it may be better but I wonder if it gets dirtier and sure it gets hotter...
Did @Ratchett pay you for that great product placement? ;):cool:
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
Yeah that's the problem. I think I'm gonna get in line. Mighty coming tomorrow. Daily driver is Cloud Evo, so even if I'm waiting for a while, it's ok. Someone compared it to a portable cloud, and that's exactly what I'm looking for :-)

Ok - quick question... I'm trying to decide between blue, purple and the regular silver color. When you scratch the blue and purple ones, do you get a silver line?

Also what do you guys think of the colors as opposed to the silver one? Any caveats? I really like how the blue ones look.
It will be different to the cloud, but it's best suited to similar usage (i.e. through glass/waterpiece).

On colour, I'm enjoying the bare Ti a lot, it wears battle scars well.
I have a blue Ti on order, and that hopper will be living in a case and used less than my daily driver. The plain units seem more of a tool due to the industrial look compared to the anodised.

IMO Blue or Bronze are the better colour choices, however they all look brilliant and it's way too hard to pick :lol:
I think the bare metal units will age better though, and so if I was to have a single hopper it would be the bare Ti hands down.
 

natural farmer

Well-Known Member
Well, I finally tried a friend's Ss Hopper and I was doing this for 4 days or more.

I think it's one of the easiest vapes to use and most possibly the best all-round vape at this moment! I had the biggest hits I have ever taken through a 250ml Ehle bong with my lungs burning more than ever with just 0.05-0.1 inside the chamber and temp at 4.5- 5!!!
Unbelievable heater power and extraction!

I have been taking it in and out of my wish list for a long time but now it's definitely in!!!
My perfect future lineup so far is a Ti Woody VapCap, mi Laana and a Hopper. Woody is coming soon and after a few months I hope Hopper as well!!!

Worth the wait imho! I could wait for 5 years for such a perfect vape! GH and a j-hook is a dream home vape and a Hopper out and about would be amazing as well if the throat can take it!!
 

KBecks

Well-Known Member
Pre-orders have been running since Jan 2015, with early bird orders placed Dec 2014 as an invite/email-in deal for late comers to the campaign (which ran Nov-Dec 2013)
I'm a July 2015 pre-orderer #190XX (initial pre-orders were order no. #159XX around 4000 orders of difference, AV~20 orders/day) I placed an order for batteries March 18, order #257XX, making around 10,000 orders since Jan 2015, 6500 orders since my last, AV~27 orders/day over the span.

Keep in mind these are counts of every order placed on their system, so this number does not reflect the amount of GH units ordered. HL state they have "~5200 delayed orders" on April 14th and have an assembly capacity of 550 units per week.
So if device sales are sitting at a 20+/day and they are 10 weeks behind production..
This brings their shipping potential closer to 400/week, and with a 70% production rate 280/week.
So estimating if you order today, making 5500 units on back order, that could put them 20 weeks / 4.5 months behind production.
HL have stated they can easily reach this breaking point at 16 weeks (what current shipping estimates are based off, i.e. August). Unless rumours are true that chargers are bottlenecking production (which I think is extremely likely having being sent a faulty one March 18 before they were aware of this potential) - it's possible there could be a very large shipment this coming week which will finally give more data to estimate with. But they have stated they are ahead with unit production, so it's sounding promising.

TL;DR basically if you order today, even with normal production woes, you should receive it before the end of the year, by which time you should be able to buy one from ready to go stock.
It was the post-Dec '14 gap that I was thinking of. Thanks!
 

newVaper420

Vapor Enthusiast
Ok I did it. I couldn't resist. This thing looks too good to pass up.

I am sure I am going to love my Mighty and that's going to be great for trips and stuff, but when I got to go to NYC to chill with a friend, a Grasshopper is going to be so good.

I ordered an extra mouthpiece, battery, and that leather case because I figure why the hell not. Also, no tax which is pretty incredible. Now, the wait is on. :-).

I am surprised that my wife doesn't care I spent $600 in vapes in the past 3 days, but later this year we are going to buy a house, and once that happens, I'm never going to be able to buy anything again, LMAO! :-)

Edit: Also - I decided to get the regular silver color and not any of those colored ones.
 
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Moe_

Active Member
Yeah that's the problem. I think I'm gonna get in line. Mighty coming tomorrow. Daily driver is Cloud Evo, so even if I'm waiting for a while, it's ok. Someone compared it to a portable cloud, and that's exactly what I'm looking for :-)

Ok - quick question... I'm trying to decide between blue, purple and the regular silver color. When you scratch the blue and purple ones, do you get a silver line?

Also what do you guys think of the colors as opposed to the silver one? Any caveats? I really like how the blue ones look.
I sold my EVO when I got my Grasshopper. Still have an original cloud but the GH can put out every bit as much vapor. Through water I personally didn't see much difference in taste but I'm sure there are some people who will call me crazy for that.
 

Vaperist

Well-Known Member
watch this guys! @1:20 you can see those blue flickering lights we recently talked about.


but why da hack this guy is comparing Hopper with Arizer Air? those two are completely different. one is convection one-hitter, while other is a conduction session vape to chill by the grill.
 

jamesuk9

Crew Slut...
watch this guys! @1:20 you can see those blue flickering lights we recently talked about.


but why da hack this guy is comparing Hopper with Arizer Air? those two are completely different. one is convection one-hitter, while other is a conduction session vape to chill by the grill.

My first unit that failed after a month didn't flash blue at all until the third bowl just before the batteries died. The replacement starts flashing increasing in intensity almost after the first hit or two of a fully charged battery.

Not saying either is right or wrong however, my replacement front end seems to work far more efficiently than the first one did, does a much better job of extraction imo and the body or backend doens't get anywhere near as hot as the first unit did.

That said, i have faith in the lifetime warranty after having to claim so will continue to try to break this one too with constant daily use.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Love that bent neck mp - does it help with longer sessions?

Not really longer, it helps improve taste and harshness, but vapor is still pretty hot, ofcourse water does it better but robs taste... I need to try it with fresher material maybe, I only had a few hits in that mouthpiece. But yeah even like that dry it is still pretty hot and harsh vapor quality compared to others, pure convection power and efficiency with a more session conduction portable type of vapor quality on the throat (though a bit better than that of course).

After i had tried a temp stepping session, same on demand full 3/4 load style, but lowest levels. Had 7 nice small cloudy upper hits at level 1, 7 more at level 2, by 4 more at level 3 I couldnt really count anymore as I kept stepping and hitting, but it took a while to finish and it was tasting terrible by then, getting hot and harsh above level 3 (even with some poking/stirring). The possibilities of 15 or more quick low temp hits like that should be great for one bowl out and about prepacked, though it did nearly drain a whole battery, but stealthy pen hits literally anywhere like that with ghosting... Still plenty of light buzzy visible vapor if the hits are big enough, I'd actually be surpised now if temp control is super precise given the clouds and effects at level 1 maybe... low temp sessioning doesn't get the unit too hot though btw, haven't been using the session extender for any dry hits off the unit, trying to test real world useage so I am prepared, it may be useful for groups but not sure if the vape itself will be or not yet...

I also wish I could adjust my draw, having to hit it fast and loud isn't ideal but i will keep experimenting with technique (having to draw so hard means more rush of vapor which can affect harshness, I am used to being able to control my hits more with my draw in most other pure convection on demand units, maybe if I turn it off sooner mid hit, but again the clicker is not an ideal trigger). One thing nice about if you adjust your draw slower you can just have the unit autoshutoff mid hit instead of having to click the clicker with it in your mouth so that is nice if I could get it consistent (one time was waiting for autoshutoff and took way to big of a hit as a result lol)

Another thing I noticed is that when I put a new battery in my ss unit, as I am screwing it in there will be a false on, red lights heater clicking, as I get close to done screwing it (there is a little uneveness, resistance to the threads towards the end) but it stops if I continue to screw and finish... Everything seems to work normal, no hot back end or anything, even with the heat boost upon power click during a hit that I mentioned before
 
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slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Not really longer, it helps improve taste and harshness, but vapor is still pretty hot, ofcourse water does it better but robs taste... I need to try it with fresher material maybe, I only had a few hits in that mouthpiece. But yeah even like that dry it is still pretty hot and harsh vapor quality compared to others, pure convection power and efficiency with a more session conduction portable type of vapor quality on the throat (though a bit better than that of course).

After i had tried a temp stepping session, same on demand full 3/4 load style, but lowest levels. Had 7 nice small cloudy upper hits at level 1, 7 more at level 2, by 4 more at level 3 I couldnt really count anymore as I kept stepping and hitting, but it took a while to finish and it was tasting terrible by then, getting hot and harsh above level 3 (even with some poking/stirring). The possibilities of 15 or more quick low temp hits like that should be great for one bowl out and about prepacked, though it did nearly drain a whole battery, but stealthy pen hits literally anywhere like that with ghosting... Still plenty of light buzzy visible vapor if the hits are big enough, I'd actually be surpised now if temp control is super precise given the clouds and effects at level 1 maybe... low temp sessioning doesn't get the unit too hot though btw, haven't been using the session extender for any dry hits off the unit, trying to test real world useage so I am prepared, it may be useful for groups but not sure if the vape itself will be or not yet...

I also wish I could adjust my draw, having to hit it fast and loud isn't ideal but i will keep experimenting with technique. One thing nice about if you adjust your draw slower you can just have the unit autoshutoff mid hit instead of having to click the clicker with it in your mouth so that is nice if I could get it consistent (one time was waiting for autoshutoff and took way to big of a hit as a result lol)

Another thing I noticed is that when I put a new battery in my ss unit, as I am screwing it in there will be a false on, red lights heater clicking, as I get close to done screwing it (there is a little uneveness, resistance to the threads towards the end) but it stops if I continue to screw and finish... Everything seems to work normal, no hot back end or anything, even with the heat boost upon power click during a hit that I mentioned before

The false on when putting a new battery in is normal.


I still haven't landed on the "perfect" draw though I generally take long-ish slow-ish draws. What I find most important for clouds and flavor is to pack small amounts and loosely. It takes discipline at first, just assume its always too much at first to really descipline to put in tiny amounts, less is more.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
The false on when putting a new battery in is normal.


I still haven't landed on the "perfect" draw though I generally take long-ish slow-ish draws. What I find most important for clouds and flavor is to pack small amounts and loosely. It takes discipline at first, just assume its always too much at first to really descipline to put in tiny amounts, less is more.

Yeah I'm gonna go back to some small amounts too, out and about a full bowl will be ideal though, super stealth, with two Hoppers you could even have two packed and ready for a full day+night running around literally anywhere indoors or outdoors. I need to get some nice fresh herbs to test properly...

Thanks man, was hoping that was normal, seemed to be working fine. Appreciate the tips too as always! Did you ever notice a heat surge if you click off mid hit? Are you using that technique or just ripping it freely when its on then just click off whenever you're ready after the hit? I just keep wanting to clear the chamber like other on demand convection (and to keep the body cool) vs sipping on it like a session unit with multiple puffs while on...
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Yeah I'm gonna go back to some small amounts too, out and about a full bowl will be ideal though, super stealth, with two Hoppers you could even have two packed and ready for a full day+night running around literally anywhere indoors or outdoors. I need to get some nice fresh herbs to test properly...

Thanks man, was hoping that was normal, seemed to be working fine. Appreciate the tips too as always! Did you ever notice a heat surge if you click off mid hit? Are you using that technique or just ripping it freely when its on then just click off whenever you're ready after the hit? I just keep wanting to clear the chamber like other on demand convection (and to keep the body cool) vs sipping on it like a session unit with multiple puffs while on...

I generally take two rips per cycle, well I guess 3, 2 with it on then turn it off AFTER the second and take a rip with it off.


On the other hand, particularly if I'm packing it full to use it more stealthy (a really tight full pack can get you flavorful potent and cloudless hits, great for the house or senate gallery for example ;-) it's nice to let some of the vapor left in the chamber condense as it adds a little sumthin extra for the next draw.

It's pretty versatile in how you can use it. The most cannasuer is in my opinion small amounts as you get great flavor and big clouds but if a person likes oil pens for walking about town, a fully packed grasshopper can serve the same role, start on 1 or 2 and temp step, I can get up to like 20 draws over the course of the day. Suboptimal in my opinion but still better than an oil pen!
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
I generally take two rips per cycle, well I guess 3, 2 with it on then turn it off AFTER the second and take a rip with it off.


On the other hand, particularly if I'm packing it full to use it more stealthy (a really tight full pack can get you flavorful potent and cloudless hits, great for the house or senate gallery for example ;-) it's nice to let some of the vapor left in the chamber condense as it adds a little sumthin extra for the next draw.

It's pretty versatile in how you can use it. The most cannasuer is in my opinion small amounts as you get great flavor and big clouds but if a person likes oil pens for walking about town, a fully packed grasshopper can serve the same role, start on 1 or 2 and temp step, I can get up to like 20 draws over the course of the day. Suboptimal in my opinion but still better than an oil pen!

Ah I see, I still feel like I need to turn it off mid hit to finish and clear it, otherwise I feel like I'm hitting a conduction session vape, I need to try getting used to using it this way, automatic convection vs manual, more like a cloud evo (which I did often like to take the elb out in between hits there too when not back to back). More practice needed!

But yeah wow so small pinch, start temp at 356F is more like a full pack started at level 1, got a smooth couple of hits (tried to go back to back and softer long pull but autoshutoff got me), next one less and smaller, got another at 374 and one at 382 to finish as it started to taste poor and get harsh. I think a tiny load helps with harshness, certainly with taste, and solid efficiency ofcourse. Full load low temps is pretty effective too though, you are right my man there is a bit of nice versatility coming through here as well!

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Yeaaaah dry lowest settings where its at for me, been a while since I've had temp control nice to experiment with it again... I really do feel comfortable saying this is essentially Cloud Evo meets Pax2, and I'd really like to see what they could do without the limitations of needing to look like a pen since it seems to be the main source of compromise, the industrial design is so sexy in person as expected too
 
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slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Ah I see, I still feel like I need to turn it off mid hit to finish and clear it, otherwise I feel like I'm hitting a conduction session vape, I need to try getting used to using it this way, automatic convection vs manual, more like a cloud evo (which I did often like to take the elb out in between hits there too when not back to back). More practice needed!

But yeah wow so small pinch, start temp at 356F is more like a full pack started at level 1, got a smooth couple of hits (tried to go back to back and softer long pull but autoshutoff got me), next one less and smaller, got another at 374 and one at 382 to finish as it started to taste poor and get harsh. I think a tiny load helps with harshness, certainly with taste, and solid efficiency ofcourse. Full load low temps is pretty effective too though, you are right my man there is a bit of nice versatility coming through here as well!

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Yeaaaah dry lowest settings where its at for me, been a while since I've had temp control nice to experiment with it again... I really do feel comfortable saying this is essentially Cloud Evo meets Pax2, and I'd really like to see what they could do without the imitations of needing to look like a pen since it seems to be the main source of compromise, the industrial design is so sexy in person as expected too


Welcome to the GIM!
 

Mr. Me2

Well-Known Member
Ok I did it. I couldn't resist. This thing looks too good to pass up.

I am sure I am going to love my Mighty and that's going to be great for trips and stuff, but when I got to go to NYC to chill with a friend, a Grasshopper is going to be so good.

I ordered an extra mouthpiece, battery, and that leather case because I figure why the hell not. Also, no tax which is pretty incredible. Now, the wait is on. :-).

I am surprised that my wife doesn't care I spent $600 in vapes in the past 3 days, but later this year we are going to buy a house, and once that happens, I'm never going to be able to buy anything again, LMAO! :-)

Edit: Also - I decided to get the regular silver color and not any of those colored ones.
Congrats! Can I suggest you go to @Ratchett's site and look at his leather case. You may want that in place of the ghl leather sleeve.

And I wonder if people who have a gh think one extra battery is enough. What does everyone think is the "magic" number of gh batteries to have?

Lastly, and to add to your list, is an external charger. It seems that most people prefer this to the charger that comes with the gh. At least that way, you'll always have fully charged batteries ready to go.

Ok, I'm done spending your money...
 

MoltenTiger

Well-Known Member
My EQ is back in commission, and comparing what my tolerance has become since two continuos months of daily GH use is interesting.
I'm barely able to write this after only two elbow packs from my EQ, so I'd say my tolerance has settled quite low.
Overall, comparatively I'm disappointed in the EQ's performance, it produces AVB quality way below the GH.
Also in terms of cloud performance, it's less impressive in sustaining white walls. And you can't get similar reparative hits, it's almost worth caching after one with the EQ.

Hoping HL respond to my warranty request soon.

Welcome to the GIM's shitsnacks, from what I've managed to read of your comments so far, a lot of head nod moments. Does that make sense? If not it is a head shake moment.

Congrats! Can I suggest you go to @Ratchett's site and look at his leather case. You may want that in place of the ghl leather sleeve.

And I wonder if people who have a gh think one extra battery is enough. What does everyone think is the "magic" number of gh batteries to have?

Lastly, and to add to your list, is an external charger. It seems that most people prefer this to the charger that comes with the gh. At least that way, you'll always have fully charged batteries ready to go.

Ok, I'm done spending your money...
I have 5 spare GH batteries.
I think 5 is overkill, I can't see any reason for an additional personally.
But it's a great amount to have.

I think the quantity you get should be relative to your ability to charge batteries, and your intended use.
For example my charger only has the capacity to charge a single battery atm, and having 5 batteries means I don't need to hold back when seshing.
However if you can charge two at a time, like I used to be able to, I think 3 extras and one in the hopper would be perfect.

Having the hopper at all is magic, one, two or three batteries, it doesn't matter. Just depends on how you plan on using it. If you want to avoid having to wait for power, you can charge between hits and avoid this to a fairly high usage point. I prefer avoiding tethered usage
 
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newVaper420

Vapor Enthusiast
Congrats! Can I suggest you go to @Ratchett's site and look at his leather case. You may want that in place of the ghl leather sleeve.

And I wonder if people who have a gh think one extra battery is enough. What does everyone think is the "magic" number of gh batteries to have?

Lastly, and to add to your list, is an external charger. It seems that most people prefer this to the charger that comes with the gh. At least that way, you'll always have fully charged batteries ready to go.

Ok, I'm done spending your money...

I'm not going to spend $50 bucks on a case until I have it in my hand. As for the extra battery, I just ordered one because why the hell not. Who knows if I'll ever switch it. And if I need more, it looks like those are readily available.

As for the external battery charger, I didn't see one, on either Delta3DStudio or the Grasshopper website. Where would I be able to get one?
 
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