Discontinued The Extreme Vaporizer Thread Part II

[pakalolo]

I have tried many settings (200-220) but haven't been getting as nicely baked as I was on the bong.

Max gave a lot of good advice, but there's more. Your range is too small. Do some tests. Start at 160 and blow bags at every 10 degrees up to 240. (I know it's hard work but hang in there!) Each temperature yields something different. The stone you get with the thin cool vape at 160 is (for me anyway) a lot different from the one I get with the thick vapour at 240. You just need to find the temperature that grabs you. You'll love it once you're locked in.

I came here, however, to post about my Extreme v3 glass heater cover. Now, my v3 sits on a table and is almost never moved. It has never been knocked over. I've never had glass stick, and since I got my current one, the cyclone bowl has actually been slightly loose.

Some time ago now (we vapourists have trouble nailing down exact times but we're talking at least two months) I picked up the v3 to wipe the table because a lot of brown powder had collected underneath the base. I was a bit pissed that I immediately picked up a glass splinter, but I couldn't see anything broken so I just forgot about it. (We vapourists find it easy to forget stuff.) The v3 seemed to be working fine.

As time passed (we vapourists are aware of time passing, it's just not easy to tell how much of it has gone by) I did notice that it was getting harder to draw on the whip. I cleaned everything and it did improve the draw a bit, but I had the funny feeling it just wasn't as good as it used to be. (We vapourists get all sorts of funny feelings.)

Then last week I lifted the cyclone bowl up and was horrified that most of the glass heater cover came up with it. I have no idea how it got broken, but I vaguely know when now. (We vapourists are quite familiar with vagueness.) I'm guessing that when it shattered, there were a few splinters but it took until now to separate into two pieces. For those of you who haven't seen one, the heater cover is mostly wrapped in some kind of material so that the glass is pretty much held in place even if it's shattered.

The covering also provides a partial tube for the airflow, but some air passes through it. This explains why my v3 kept working, just not as effectively. It also explains why I could feel airflow from the base when the fan was on. I had enough of a tube to create a usable airflow, but the hole made it really inefficient. That glass splinter obviously was an artifact of the shattering and I should have paid attention.

I just replaced the heater cover, which is not too hard to do yourself except the damned heater cover screen is hard to get into place. When you slide the cover down over the heater element, the fit is so snug the heater element pushes out the screen. It is better to remove the screen and then put it back after the cover is in position. This requires patience (we vapourists can concentrate really hard when sufficiently motivated) but once I got the screen on my v3 was back to the original easy draw that I remember.

Well, that I would remember if I could.

I post this here as a warning to you all, but I know you vapourists. You'll forget.

 

[minuteman420]

I've had this machine for a year and used it extensively, multiple times a week. So far i haven't had any problems with the heater cover. But my strategy is to let it sit for a while after vaping, so that the glass parts can cool down.

I'm editting the post to add more commentary.

I recently procured some hash. Packing it between two elbow screens and taking it that way was very good. Usually hash is really hard to clean up afterwards (right?) in pipes and bongs. With this the elbow screen was easy, just a little bit of scraping with some kind of pick, and a rinse in iso and salt and you're good to go.

 

[pakalolo]

I've had this machine for a year and used it extensively, multiple times a week. So far i haven't had any problems with the heater cover. But my strategy is to let it sit for a while after vaping, so that the glass parts can cool down.

Good advice. What happens to me is that I change bowls while it's hot and I assume I was a bit careless one time. I really don't know how common it is for that cover to break. You see comments about it here, but of course we don't know how many owners have never had theirs broken. Almost all of them I'd bet.

I love my Extreme but I have to admit that the glass heater cover is probably its weakest point. The Q design seems to have changed a bit to protect the cover better. Nobody said the Extreme would be perfect. It doesn't bother me in the slightest; I put it down to wear and tear and my own carelessness. I know where to get a quick replacement, it's not an expensive part ($15) and I know I can fix it myself. If I get lazy I learned that the shop where I get parts will replace the cover while I wait for an extra $10.

I've had mine 15 months and it's been a terrific experience. Anything glass will get broken sooner or later, and I have always had spare cyclone bowls, elbows, tubes, and stirrers. I never thought to get a spare heater cover until mine broke Cost me two days of no vape, no fun.

On the bright side, it jolted me into getting a backup: a Magic-Flight Launch Box. It's the perfect companion for my Extreme--but that's for another thread.

 

[AreaFour20]

I also broke the glass heater cover for my EQV. I was trying to see if I could straighten the bowl and crack!!!
I was able to get a replacement from Kevin at K.J. Rockwise. (we vapourists know where to get stuff when we need it).

It was a simple matter to install the replacement cover with the excellent instructions that Kevin provides.

 

[Mr. Smoke No More]

I got the new Q but maybe someone on here can help. A buddy got my cyclone jammed on the unit, and i cant get it off even after letting it cool right down. Any suggestions? I been wiggling my heart out. U think its safe to put it in the fridge/freezer and u think that would help?

 

[bluntfaced]

Yep, you got it. Arizer told me to throw my unit in the fridge for a while when this happens.

 

[Mr. Smoke No More]

thanks mang

 

[bumdiggy84]

wow, thats worse than mine. it gets stuck only sometimes... i have been usin the tuff bowl, the other one a couple of times, i think it got stuck too... i just read others gets stuck too, i thought it was normal as this is my first vapor and first vapor experience...

str8 bust my cherry w/ my own first vapor...lol ok did i just say the same thing twice... lol my bad im freagin vaked!! lol this is THE BEST!!... yea i would pluck mine a couple of times and it works everytime, i never twisted it or just pulled on it hard... i would tug it, if it didnt come, then couple of plucks...

well thats not why i came on here to post but ive seen u on this post many times No Smoke so thought id put my in... i came on here to tell ANYONE on the fence about geting a vap, this Q vape, or have gotten CAUGHT up in all of the politics that this discussion board brings. dont be confused w/ all the stuff u read... GET THIS PRODUCT!!

Im not an old dude, been smokin since 16, 30 now, pretty much smoked everyday but a few times when had to quit...but let me tell you, everytime im warm up my brand new BEST friend "Q", i wanna slap myself for gettin caught up in the social way of gettin stoned!!

i mean i cant believe out of the hundreds of times i smoked, i never even considered, researched, tried, had the opportunity to try, heard of (well i heard of it, but yall get the drift) vaping!!

I startin vaping w/ the ecigs first... been off them cancer sticks for 12 days now, and FEEL GREAT! if ur wondering about that... Vapor4life.com!! i tried another type before them, and then talked to someone who tried 10 different kinds of ecigs before she found VaporKing... i tried them, and its BETTER than smokin cigs... just plain better... BETTER EVERYTHING, yes everything... taste, cost, variety, and of course no muthafuckin combustion!!

anyway back to the point, I bought this thing after the ecig... my internet search had me on the Volcano... i wanted the best, which when u dont know shit about something, u start w/ the most expensive... i found this site, and what a blessing to land in this discussion, reading about the q... talkin about information overload... i read and read and read, some made since, most didn't...

thought i was ready what i needed to do after i stalked the mailman.. it was totally different from what you do when you smoke a blunt, i rarely did bongs, or bowls.... it wasnt feeling like i was gettin high, but the whole time i was gettin blasted...

LOL, my smoke bud was over, and we figured it out together, along w/ all the advise from all of u, (thanks by the way)

I had FOUR different strains one was dirt and dry, one mid grade, moist...a high grade dry, and a high grade sticky...

I have to say the dirt won! YES the dirtiest of the dirt was the best... we tried each one... at the time we couldnt figure it out...

now that i look back 3 days later... IT was like we were gettin high right away, but was denyin it physically, b/c we werent physically gettin high like we normally do, so we keep vapin...

and we were doin it wrong and right at the same time... wrong temp, fan too high, too much weed, not enough, too packed, to loose...elbow, bowl...BOTH! lol... we did every combination possible...

but now i have it for the most part! thanks again to all of you, and understanding that there are enough variables w/ vaping for everyone to have a certain way to vape... the strain and condition of ur goods is enought right there...

so u when u get the q, u WILL get high, even the wrong ways, but guess what, IT ONLY GETS BETTER!! I, now 3 days later, am completely vaked of of like .25 of dirt mixed w/ good! LOL .... I did a bowl...no no let me break it down for a noob, or potential noob...

first time let unit warm up to like 220-230c for 20 min.... drop down to 200c, when u get good and depending on ur herb, u can go lower, (the lowest ive gotten vape was 190, but im still learnin everytime, and im determinded to get Mr. NO SMOKE temps! (even tho i think u got some supa fire, cuz i read u said u vape starting at 165-170 once! i get nothing but taste when i tried that lol...

IMPORTANT... ur herb has to "perculate" BEFORE you can vape it! .. so now u got q ready put in like half a bowl full ( i use this b/c again ur type of herb will eventually cause variations to ur temp and amount.. so use half full, use the stir to pack once or twice, then i poked it a few time to loose back up little... LET IT PERCULATE AT LEAST 10 min...the bowl should feel hot, and the elbow should be warm as well if not hot... take a couple of draws before you cut the fan on....its kind of like ur jump starting it... quick suck, qucik draw, then long slow draw, and you will taste it, or just look and see if vapor is whispin out... if it is, then take a long slow drag, or cut fan on one, and don't WASTE UR VAPOR!! lol

do it that way first, then try all of the other ways and tricks and effeciences... but thats a good start...

so back to my .25... i think i have this vaping thing down pretty good now..and my preference... Is AN ELBOW WHIP!! its the most EFFECIENT, yet more work, but I am as high as ive ever been, and now im usin less than a 1/4 of what i would use to get high once ( and i smoked at least 2 blunts a day) and im str8 for the whole day!!

I mean i can literally get stoned on about .5 a day!! but it will be more LOL....we'll just double it to a gram, b/c i had no idea how much more economical this is..IM GOING TO BE HIGHER FOR CHEAPER...YEAH!. i got on it for the health, but its the best thing i have came across EVER.... MY LIFE HAS CHANGED!! I NO LONGER COMBUTST MY ADDICTIONS!! FUCK COMBUSSSTTIIONNN!!!! LOL

anyways, wanted to throw my lil post on here... mainly for the NOOBIES!!! GET THE Q, get a tuff bowl, a nice grinder comes with it...thats enough to have you completely hooked, then you'll order all the other accessories...

 

[Mr. Smoke No More]

welcome aboard bumdiggy. Just to let you know my temps posted in this thread (170-175) are for the older V3 of the extreme. For the Q i find the same sweetspot to be 190-195 so hammer off a few elbows and 195 and it should be to your liking. There is a thread for the extreme Q, u should check it out as well, but both are packed with info.

I've got the bowl stuck a couple times in the past, but this time its really stuck...

 

[bumdiggy84]

thanks mr smoke! u said theres an extreme Q thread? i thought this was it lol.. can u send me a link?

and i just finished an elbow on my q at 175 kind sir
l am usin the smallest amt of herb in the elbow too..i dont know how much it doesnt even weigh out on the scale..so i guess .05-.025? ive read some people say that, well i can agree!... the whole time it seemed i was getting better effects and vapor from weaker herb, but its b/c i wasnt starting low enough for this nice stuff i have LOL...the taste is better too...

oh and the elbowl getting stuck FIGURED IT OUT!! when u put it in, ur bowl will spin in on direction or another, mine is usually clockwise...when ur ready to lift it, hold the tuff bowl, and just twist the elbow the opposite direction, and it comes right off!!! i have really mastered my Q.... i think

 

[Vapor Duff]

Wow. It seems like I'm not the only one that's having a problem with the Extreme. I was using my unit last night (it's about a year old) with the whip, and as I was ready to remove the Cyclone Bowl from the ceramic heater, I pulled the entire glass section off along with the bowl. Needless to say, I was shocked and horrified at what had transpired. Fortunately, this is a common problem, but since it's Saturday, I have no way of getting a replacement glass tubing until next week...or the week after next.

I'm also a little irked by the fact that my power brick died two weeks ago, and I had to order another $45 replacement. Now this shit happens.

 

[Mr. Smoke No More]

We'll my problems were because of human error (friend put a coke covered bolw on the hot unit), not a manufacturing defect. Arizer always has good customer service. I think a new heater cover is like 15 bones or something, and its a pretty easy fix. I think the cover on the new Qs are more supported and so dont break as often. Either way I never broke my heater cover on the extreme and no friends have either. Sorry to hear about your situation though, i know how hard it is to go with out vape. Do u have a backup?

 

[Vapor Duff]

I have a Vapor Genie as a backup, so all is not lost. I also have a chillum if I ever feel the need to combust my material as well. Since I had a little extra money from this week's paycheck, I was looking for a backup vape. However, the majority of them looked cheap and flimsy, so I'm going to pass for now, get the replacement piece, and hopefully be blowing up balloons in a few days.

 

[saeton]

First of all which model do you have, a v3 extreme or and extreme Q? The extreme Q is essentially an E v4. in either case you have the unit hot enough, maybe even too hot. The E v3 seemes to work at a 20C less than the E Q. I would try 175-185C on the v3 or 195-205C on the Q. When you fill the cyclone bowl fill it 3/4 to the black rubber. Make sure your herb is well ground, like a nice fluffy consistency. Also make sure the herb is dry. This was a thing i learned when i first got my v3 as i was buying weed that was damp or someone would bring weed and it was wet, and i wouldn't get why it wouldnt give think bags even when it looked like good weed. Let the unit with the empty cyclone heat up b4 using it for 10 mins or so, then pack the bowl and put the bag on it. Let it preheat a bit if you want, but i find it makes little difference if u start with fan 1 for a sec to get the herb warm, and i think preheating it for to long makes it taste bunk. Using these tips you should definately get good vapour with good weed.

I noticed when i first started vaping that there was kind of a transition period from smoking to vaping where i felt like i wasnt getting as high from the vape. However after a few goes at it, i have been getting blasted with it ever since. in fact smoking doesnt get me high anymore, need the pure vapour to get me toasted. i was associating the toxins of smoke and the immune response to smoke as the cannabis high, which is why i think some people have this "transition phase" especially if you smoke bongs regularly. Clean that gear and vape through it if you want, im vaping oil through my bong with my E Q right now. But make sure u got the technique down b4 u get too complicated. Hope this helps, keep with it, i promise you wont regret it.

This post was encouraging for me, Mr. Smoke No More. I've been vaping for four or five months regularly, but I still have a hard time getting blasted. I get a medical effect without too much difficulty, but I have a hard time achieving that "Oh, I'm high..." feeling on a regular basis. I think I'm really over-thinking the process and not just enjoying it and playing with temps dynamically enough. Do you (or anyone else) have any ideas or were ever caught up on the same setbacks as me?

Here's what I'm doing right now:

Preheating, no fan, for 10 to 20 min. sometimes more on about 220 C. Set up standard cyclone bowl with elbow packed relatively full. Reduce temp on it to 190 C and then put the elbow/whip onto the top, letting it pre-heat while the display goes down to 190. Trying to take slow, regular breath hits (not sure if I'm 'pulling in' the vapor deeper into my throat), holding for a bit. Sometimes I do breathe out pretty quickly. Do a few hits (it loses the good taste after a few) and move up by 10 C or so, then repeat until 210 or sometimes 220. Sometimes see visible vapor with exhale, sometimes see it after a few seconds later I exhale the first time (those make me feel higher usually, but harder to achieve regularly), sometimes it tastes like it but no visible vapor. Can't seem to do anything predictable, but practice does make perfect over time.

I end up using like 4 elbow packs worth, but I think I'm dumping the ABV too early maybe? I never feel 'high', but sometimes get a little silly and then just end up getting really tired and people tell me I seem high or I laugh at some more things, but I never FEEL high. I know I'm overthinking this to some extent, but I just want to freakin' get high for once.

 

[hemp;)goofy8cheerio]

well it sounds like u may hav nice ez vaped duff 4 brownies yummy that'll get u hi may b

 

[DeepFried]

I end up using like 4 elbow packs worth, but I think I'm dumping the ABV too early maybe? I never feel 'high', but sometimes get a little silly and then just end up getting really tired and people tell me I seem high or I laugh at some more things, but I never FEEL high. I know I'm overthinking this to some extent, but I just want to freakin' get high for once.

I always feel like the lone high temp vape crusader!, IMO if you really want to get stoned, not just high, your temps need to go UP. I don't believe in the notion that an extra 15-25 degrees will give you more hazards than breathing in the exhaust from a car passing by, live a little and turn up the temp.

If you buy your weed to get stoned, then take advantage of all the cannabinoids, some of which are only available closer to 230C. Yes your taste won't be as nice for as long, your ABV will be very dark with not much left in it and without water conditioning it could get a bit harsh near the end of the load.

Preheat the Q at full 260C, after 10 minutes put your loaded elbow on the cyclone bowl and take a small hit to get the hot air into the herb to start breaking down the trichs. Now turn it down to no less than 210C and after every 2 hits turn it up by 5 degrees, guaranteed you'll lose count (hold your hits and use the re-breathing technique).

When done you want your ABV to look like very very dark brown powder and it should knock out of the elbow cleanly. You should only have to clean your elbow screen maybe once every 3 months of heavy use if you have used your load up completely each session.

 

[saeton]

I end up using like 4 elbow packs worth, but I think I'm dumping the ABV too early maybe? I never feel 'high', but sometimes get a little silly and then just end up getting really tired and people tell me I seem high or I laugh at some more things, but I never FEEL high. I know I'm overthinking this to some extent, but I just want to freakin' get high for once.

I always feel like the lone high temp vape crusader!, IMO if you really want to get stoned, not just high, your temps need to go UP. I don't believe in the notion that an extra 15-25 degrees will give you more hazards than breathing in the exhaust from a car passing by, live a little and turn up the temp.

If you buy your weed to get stoned, then take advantage of all the cannabinoids, some of which are only available closer to 230C. Yes your taste won't be as nice for as long, your ABV will be very dark with not much left in it and without water conditioning it could get a bit harsh near the end of the load.

Preheat the Q at full 260C, after 10 minutes put your loaded elbow on the cyclone bowl and take a small hit to get the hot air into the herb to start breaking down the trichs. Now turn it down to no less than 210C and after every 2 hits turn it up by 5 degrees, guaranteed you'll lose count (hold your hits and use the re-breathing technique).

When done you want your ABV to look like very very dark brown powder and it should knock out of the elbow cleanly. You should only have to clean your elbow screen maybe once every 3 months of heavy use if you have used your load up completely each session.

Thanks for the advice Deep. I'm gonna try that in a couple hours or tomorrow but I have been going up to like 220/225 and seem to have a hard time getting it as dark as you're saying DeepFried. I think it may also be a breathing/inhalation issue. Can you elaborate on what you specifically mean by re-breathing?

I'll start at 210 instead of 190. Do you find yourself going up by 5 degrees to get it darker and darker up to like 240, 250, 260?

Also, I'm wanting to get cerebrally high but also feel it physically: Do you think going for stoned and higher temps is a better way to get there? Or is there something to what Mr. SmokeNoMore was saying too about those lower-ish temps but just need to keep working on the re-breathing techniques?

 

[DeepFried]

re-breathing is simple, take your hit, hold it for say 10 seconds then exhale about 1/3 and inhale fresh air back up to your capacity, hold again maybe 5 seconds, exhale 1/3 and inhale fresh air again. Keep doing this until you basically have absorbed most of your hit.

For a cerebral high try to get more of a strong sativa strain.

Don't get so hung up on the temp numbers, go higher in temp until it is just too harsh, for some that is 200 for others 240. You have nothing to lose, if you don't like the effects at much higher temps then go back down. Nothing ventured, nothing gained right.

 

[Mr. Smoke No More]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained right.

Touche!

 

[minuteman420]

Big problem guys.

So last night i had two sessions. The first one went fine, just the cyclone bowl half full of ground up bud. Everything went fine and i was nice and vaked. The second one went badly, I loaded up the elbow screen, one layer of bud, one layer of kief, and then another layer of bud. The kief was the kief that i collected from the bud from the first bowl, and previous sessions from the same kind of weed.

Before i started inhaling i smelled something funny, like burning. I just thought it was the heater being wonky and nothing to worry about. After i took my first inhale i noticed smoke was coming up from under the cyclone bowl. I took off the cyclone bowl and saw underneath that something (I'm assuming the kief) had melted and dripped onto the top of the heater.

The only logical conclusion i can make is that there was something wrong with the kief, and that i should not use the kief from this batch ever again.

 

[rabblerouser]

hijack...being really melty usually means good kief in my book. no ?

maybe just have to be careful about this stuff being melty.

 

[minuteman420]

After the initial panic of losing my baby wore off, i went in for a closer look. It looks like it wasn't the kief, but the machine itself.

Here are four pictures:
The first one is of the cyclone bowl that was in the vape, and the last three are of the inside of the machine as would be seen with the cyclone bowl removed. I know the quality of the last three is not great, but you can kind of see that not only is the whole screen part covered in black, but the glass at the edges are blacked as well.
Also a description of the black ring on the cyclone bowl. It smells like a very strong glue, and when touched it also feels like dried glue. It's very rubbery and does not feel like melted kief.


http://imgur.com/fY4fv.jpg
http://imgur.com/yb2xY.jpg
http://imgur.com/YEyKI.jpg
http://imgur.com/mE4St.jpg

I think the machine may have malfunctioned so I'll be sending the images to arizer and see what they have to say.

 

[Pappy]

After the initial panic of losing my baby wore off, i went in for a closer look. It looks like it wasn't the kief, but the machine itself.

Here are four pictures:
The first one is of the cyclone bowl that was in the vape, and the last three are of the inside of the machine as would be seen with the cyclone bowl removed. I know the quality of the last three is not great, but you can kind of see that not only is the whole screen part covered in black, but the glass at the edges are blacked as well.
Also a description of the black ring on the cyclone bowl. It smells like a very strong glue, and when touched it also feels like dried glue. It's very rubbery and does not feel like melted kief.

I think the machine may have malfunctioned so I'll be sending the images to arizer and see what they have to say.

Sorry to hear it. Where are the images?

 

[minuteman420]

I updated my post, my mistake. Forgot to paste the copied links.

 

[Pappy]

I updated my post, my mistake. Forgot to paste the copied links.

So the Teflon melted off the Cyclone bowl? Please let us know what Arizer says. Good luck!