The Arizer Air

[Ashish]

[Comment redacted for fear of it being taken entirely the wrong way.]

 

[Vape Hound]

No offence intended, Ashish. I was just alarmed at the effects I experienced after what I thought were short and measured vape sessions. Please do feel free to ignore my incoherent babbling, since it did arise during a moment of utter panic over that I was experiencing.

 

[OF]

Ah, I see a mistake I have been making already. Quetzalcoatl. I assumed that to get any vapor out of my Airizer, deep and prolonged draws were absolutely necessary. When I took small sips, my exhalation contained very little vapor, which led me to assume that the device required a prolonged and uninterrupted flow of air, to produce adequate vapor.

It can be a tough transition for sure. Blazing skills don't always transfer well. In blazing honking on it raises the fire so the vapor happens Most all vapes, OTOH make vapor on their own, sipping also transfers all the available into vapor (just at a lower rate). True convection is a possible exception here, but Air/Solo isn't in that class.

Unlike smoking, seeing a lot of vapor in the exhale is not important. I get it it's reassuring to see, but the useful effects come later.

There's also an argument that smaller sips allow you to capture more, clearly useful vapor you see on exhale is lost. You paid dearly for it, and just blew it out into the air.

Another point to consider is we're not all recreational users. Many of us are MMJ types and have compromised (some severely) ability to 'smoke' (or take in vapor) and yet manage to vape as needed. Just by taking many smaller hits rather than one big one?

I rather suggest you consider tuning your technique on effects (after the fact, of course) rather than the obvious feedback of lots of visible vapor in the exhale. Try something then wait until it's had a chance to effect you (say 20 minutes?) before you decide how effective that approach is?

Don't look to 'buy your way out' of this with a bubbler or some other hardware change, as has been said, Air/Solo has a proven ability to deliver as shipped. You already have the hardware necessary to succeed, you can probably improve it with accessories but that's not necessary?

Hang in there, it's worth getting figured out.

Best wishes,

OF

 

[Traaaaan]

A lot of people say they use their solo/air without grinding, I have too, mostly because I am impatient did not want to wait a couple hours for a grinder to become available. To those people, I highly suggest trying to grind your bud. If you don't want to spend money on a grinder go to a pharmacy, ask for a pill bottle and cap. They have boxes and boxes. If they ask just say your old one got cracked. Stick you bud in there with a nickel or a quarter and shake it, voila.

From first hand experience I can tell you a small-medium grind and a packing of ~0.05g grams (a full stem) with the bud I use gets me the best results. I do like to use a bubbler as well. Try adding a couple of lemon juice drops to the bubbler. Keeps the water fresh tasting for longer.

 

[OF]

From first hand experience I can tell you a small-medium grind and a packing of ~0.05g grams (a full stem) with the bud I use gets me the best results. I do like to use a bubbler as well. Try adding a couple of lemon juice drops to the bubbler. Keeps the water fresh tasting for longer.

I too grind about like that for more uniform results and convenience. But you can still get useful results with finer, coarser or no grind at all. Not grinding right is not the key to 'won't work' level problems? IMO it's a refinement of technique. Unlike some/most other vapes.

And your stems must be much smaller than mine (or your bud not very dense), normal stems run closer to .20 grams around here. Even with the most extreme of the domes I use it's seldom less than just a bit under .10, and that's only filling half the bowl (give or take). Interesting. Your tolerance must be lower than mine (which I think is below average), there's not much THC in a 1/20th of a gram....... Lucky you there.

I kinda like the lemon drop idea, but to be honest I have no idea how the water in there tastes, a bad episode with 'stale bong water' was a learning experience of the first order for me.....never again. I'll stick to Ice Tea.

OF

 

[tdriver]

Ok folks I have a rant to share today, and it is that the Airizer, and possibly most portable vaporizers, should be sold with a bubbler as a package deal, and should be sold with an explicit health warning that use of portable vaporizers without a water bubbler COULD incinerate the user's tonsils, throat and lungs.

Using myself as a guinea pig, I decided to try some of the lower temperature settings on the Airizer, in the hopes that by so doing, I would avoid, or at least reduce the drying and burning effect of the vapor on my breathing passages that I experienced on the highest two temperature settings. What I discovered to my utter dismay is that regardless of how low I set the Airizer temperature, the incineration of my throat and tonsils occurred after vaping just a couple of bowls full.

As I type these words, I am suffering from by far the absolute worst sore throat of my entire life, simply as a result of using the Airizer in the manner prescribed by the user instructions that came with the unit. Now I have smoked weed in joints, but NEVER in bongs, for literally decades, and during that time have NEVER experienced such an intense scorching of my throat, and so I am certain that my organically grown weed, cultivated by yours truly, is NOT to blame for my injury.

Prior to acquiring my Airizer, I read up on vaping extensively, and besides a few passing mentions about the cooling and humidifying effect of a bubbler when used with a vaporizer, there was no direct reference to the medical danger of NOT using a bubbler at all. The total absence of any warnings about the heat and dryness of vaporized weed led me to believe that I was on pretty safe ground using my new Airizer without any water tool attached.

Boy was I wrong ! With my current experience in mind, I therefore offer this caveat emptor to all vape noobs about to take the plunge with a new portable vaporizer. NEVER use a portable vaporizer of ANY make or model, UNLESS it is connected to a bubbler. Failure to take this simple precaution COULD fry your throat and lungs. Apologies for the emotional tone of my write-up today, but my breathing is labored right now, as a result of my experiment to quantify the danger of vaping with no water in line.

/rant over

you can always use water cured bud. no bubbler, no sore throat, -nothing.

 

[GetLeft]

I've been loading small dry chunks of bud into my stem. The other day I tried some of the loose shake that was at the bottom of my jar (that supply was dwindling so I couldn't get any more chunks for loading). Packed it in and had a hard time drawing (had to raise the stem out a little from the heater). I also had some funky "lung cramp/burn" (don't know else how to describe it since it was a first for me) afterward, which I passed off as a result of having to draw so hard.

So I switched to a different supply in order to return to my practice of loading a small chunk of bud. But it turns out that this supply was moister than the other, and when I cleaned out that bowl in preparation for the adventure that was to follow, I saw that it hadn't vaped thoroughly. So I took a couple of buds from that less dry supply and ground them up with the fun little handy dandy four piece grinder that came as a "free gift" for having purchased my AA. Filled half a bowl with the ground without packing it in too tight and vaped it all in a single session at mid temps. Up until that point I'd been starting low and working my way up to higher temps.

Got as high as I've been since using this thing. Not at all that I've been on a mission to see how high I can get. I'm a big boy and know exactly how to do that. But comparing with my previous sessions, this was, all things equal, the most effectively administered dose yet. Probably a combination of grind and higher vaping temps (the bud is pretty much the same stock as the dryer stuff). Very very pleasantly buzzed. And once again, none of the less desirable effects that can sometimes sneak into one's buzz if one goes inadvertently a little over one's dose.

So yeah, I'll be grinding it out for a couple of days and seeing how things pan out : )

 

[Traaaaan]

I weighed a stem yesterday and then added bud and weighed it again. Got about .05 or .06. Scale doesn't go to any more digits. I'll have to reweigh tonight.

 

[OF]

I weighed a stem yesterday and then added bud and weighed it again. Got about .05 or .06. Scale doesn't go to any more digits. I'll have to reweigh tonight.

Cool. I usually do it the other way about. I stash ground bud in Doob Tubes usually, so I zero the scale with the stash on and load up, then put the stash back on the scale for the answer. I use a .001g resolution scale so the reading is pretty precise.

Another way to gain accuracy with more normal scales is to load the stem and dump it in a dish or vial and reload again. And again. Then divide the total by the 10 (or whatever) loadings went into the test.

Regards,

OF

 

[Vape Hound]

It can be a tough transition for sure. Blazing skills don't always transfer well. In blazing honking on it raises the fire so the vapor happens Most all vapes, OTOH make vapor on their own, sipping also transfers all the available into vapor (just at a lower rate). True convection is a possible exception here, but Air/Solo isn't in that class.

Unlike smoking, seeing a lot of vapor in the exhale is not important. I get it it's reassuring to see, but the useful effects come later.

There's also an argument that smaller sips allow you to capture more, clearly useful vapor you see on exhale is lost. You paid dearly for it, and just blew it out into the air.

Another point to consider is we're not all recreational users. Many of us are MMJ types and have compromised (some severely) ability to 'smoke' (or take in vapor) and yet manage to vape as needed. Just by taking many smaller hits rather than one big one?

I rather suggest you consider tuning your technique on effects (after the fact, of course) rather than the obvious feedback of lots of visible vapor in the exhale. Try something then wait until it's had a chance to effect you (say 20 minutes?) before you decide how effective that approach is?

Don't look to 'buy your way out' of this with a bubbler or some other hardware change, as has been said, Air/Solo has a proven ability to deliver as shipped. You already have the hardware necessary to succeed, you can probably improve it with accessories but that's not necessary?

Hang in there, it's worth getting figured out.

Best wishes,

OF

This post has really cleared up several misconceptions that I have held about vaping, and I can't wait till I am back in shape to try the small sips technique, which actually feels a whole lot more like tokin' on a good ole joint. I now realize that taking prolonged draws to generate those huge clouds on the exhale was both wasteful of the herb, and extremely punishing for my respiratory system.

I sure appreciate the pointers offered in the above quote, OF, and I am certain that adopting this far easier and natural approach will put an end to my bumbling misadventures into the vape realm.

Once again I thank you much for this educative post. I knew I had to be doing something wrong to be just about the only person reporting to this forum about cooking my innards during vaping, and now I can see exactly what it was that I was doing in error.

 

[Vapormatic]

Ah, I see a mistake I have been making already. Quetzalcoatl. I assumed that to get any vapor out of my Airizer, deep and prolonged draws were absolutely necessary. When I took small sips, my exhalation contained very little vapor, which led me to assume that the device required a prolonged and uninterrupted flow of air, to produce adequate vapor.

Yeah, the key is to reduce the volume & temp of hot air/vapor taken in. I enjoy a 20-40 degree(F) temp drop with a fraction of air volume(over stock unit) by redirecting & throttling inlet air with modifications.

It's a hybrid type vape, conduction on pre-heat & convection during draw, tho not that it does either very well outta the box. Get a PVHES stem if you want to lean on more conduction(less convection) and/or cap the airflow if you want more convection.

I'll normally pass on a WT with AIR, and get cool enough hits with 60mm MP on red, tho the hits are slow, long & thick. WTs are, to me, more of a magnification device better suited to bumping on-demand, full-on, conduction vapes like PAX.

Here's capped AIR with tiny grooves, for airflow, in cork washer,

 

[OF]

This post has really cleared up several misconceptions that I have held about vaping, and I can't wait till I am back in shape to try the small sips technique, which actually feels a whole lot more like tokin' on a good ole joint.

I sure appreciate the pointers offered in the above quote, OF, and I am certain that adopting this far easier and natural approach will put an end to my bumbling misadventures into the vape realm.

Once again I thank you much for this educative post. I knew I had to be doing something wrong to be just about the only person reporting to this forum about cooking my innards during vaping, and now I can see exactly what it was that I was doing in error.

You're most welcome, thanks for the feedback, confirming the message got through. For sure putting pre conceptions and assumptions aside is a big plus, not always easy, but if you can......

If you're in the mood for a little more rant, let me bring up another topic. Don't look for that familiar 'head rush', that's mostly a function of that nasty junk in smoke. THC takes time to enter the blood, find and block the receptors. However, you're brain long ago connected that repulsive stuff (remember how you reacted when you first tried inhaling smoke?) with getting high. You can get folks off smoking ABV that gives nasty smoke stuff but no THC if they believe.

To get into vaping you need to lay off blazing and vape only for enough sessions to break that mental link. Your brain needs to learn you don't have to stick your face in the campfire to get off. That takes time/experience. Once that link is broken (average a week? Two?), smoking reverts to being as repulsive as it ever was.

Kudos for not blaming the hardware as almost always happens. We are trained to not question ourselves enough I think. You're obviously ahead of your fellows when you considered 'everyone else doesn't seem to complain about this', sadly all too uncommon. You know what they say, "when 3 men in a row tell you you're drunk, it's time to sit down".

Best wishes for a speedy recovery followed by a more relaxed (and successful) retry.

OF

 

[F3minusD]

Don't look for that familiar 'head rush', that's mostly a function of that nasty junk in smoke. THC takes time to enter the blood, find and block the receptors. However, you're brain long ago connected that repulsive stuff (remember how you reacted when you first tried inhaling smoke?) with getting high. You can get folks off smoking ABV that gives nasty smoke stuff but no THC if they believe.

To get into vaping you need to lay off blazing and vape only for enough sessions to break that mental link. Your brain needs to learn you don't have to stick your face in the campfire to get off. That takes time/experience. Once that link is broken (average a week? Two?), smoking reverts to being as repulsive as it ever was.

Hello. I'm new here but have been reading from this site and learning from everyones advice to one another but had to register in order to quote this as it's so very true!!
Sorry to jump in and hijack the discussion but i've had my arizer air for one month now and haven't touched and other utensils since!
I am totally on board and don't have any desire to go back! FC INDEED
Big up to OF for being so concise and accurate.
Thank you.

 

[OF]

Big up to OF for being so concise and accurate.
Thank you.

You're welcome, of course. And thank you for your post, I'm sure it's not the last contribution you'll be making!

Welcome to the Forum! Lots of good folks and useful information going on, but if you've been lurking for a while I guess you know that all ready.......

OF

 

[ehakim]

does anyone of know of an external battery charger other than the one arizer sells that is compatiable? also, is there a battery level indicator on this vape i cant quite tell what the color it displays on startup means.

 

[UnshavenFish]

does anyone of know of an external battery charger other than the one arizer sells that is compatiable? also, is there a battery level indicator on this vape i cant quite tell what the color it displays on startup means.

Most external chargers should work as long as they cut off at 4.2v, some good options are nitecore i2 or d2, xtar vp2 or the luc v4, the xtar and luc have more/better options on them.

The battery level indicator is when you turn your air on, if it has it, first there will be a blue'ish flash then either green, yellow, white or red depending on the charge level.

Edit: i normally get the colours mixed up so it might be green, white, yellow then red.
And all these chargers come in 2 or 4 bay versions

 

[GetLeft]

green, red, white, yellow? blue-green? orange? : )

 

[CarolKing]

Sometimes when trying something new enthusiasm can take over in the process.
Also when medicated one doesn't always make the right decisions.

You will find that vaporizing is easier on the wallet and you will feel healthier in the long run. It 's nice to be able to medicate and not have to worry about the smell of smoking to give you away.

Welcome aboard to the world of vaporizing. I've learned so much on FC and I know you will too. As you see we have some wonderful folks that have a gift of explaining things and smart too.

 

[OF]

Sometimes when trying something new enthusiasm can take over in the process.

Funny you should say that. Turns out that's what was behind that long string of first dates I had early on.....

Sorry for slipping off topic using an otherwise excellent post, but you don't really get many straight lines around here you know.

Best wishes to all for the weekend, the weather here looks to be good, I hope there as well. Spring is on.

OF

 

[WoodVillain]

green, red, white, yellow? blue-green? orange? : )

I thought it went red orange yellow green blue indigo violet ??




And now an update on usage and such... Mostly to make this post relevant LOL

Im really enjoying using the 14mm gong as a mouthpiece. Its short, stays cool on the lips, warms up super quick, and keeps everything tasting great... But the 2 i have are the regular ones and not the HE stems.. no cuts or grooves, just 4 holes like the stock stems. I can REALLY notice the restricted draw on it now that i have only been using high efficiency stems for a bit. But like mentioned quite a bit already... Just pulling the stem up a tiny amount let enough air through to make it a non-issue..... However, im still in search of the perfect stem. Im thinking a turbo gong and vortex stubby is going on the next in line to try list.

So far my favorite and most used stem is the PVHES shorty i shortened... It tops the vortex, but just barely, due to faster warm up and smaller size.

I do seem to get a bit better taste that lasts longer from the vortex. Also since the bowl is larger i can get 2 10 minute sessions from 1 bowl on the vortex compared to the taste normally running out just before the first 10 minutes is up on the shorty. But it takes a few minutes before i start really getting good hits on the vortex, and the shorty is spitting out clouds in no time...

Its a give and take... But give me time and ill find the perfect middle ground, for me, of course. Absolutely nothing wrong with the stock stems.... Some people can afford to buy and try multiple vaporizers... Thats not something i can do... However a ~30 dollar stem a month or so wont break the bank for most and lets you customize the experience a bit.

Also all this talk about grinding is just making me want a new grinder even more. I hate the space case more and more each day. But SAS is strong in me.... A new grinder always falls short LMAO



OK, now i think i wrote enough about the Air to justify my one-liner joke up top.... Damn... Now that i read it back it wasnt even funny

 

[Will B. Good]

Sometimes at the end of a cycle when I use the Air connected to the PA a blinking yellow light wont stop beeping until I disconnect. I mostly end up using it on battery mode.

 

[ehakim]

Most external chargers should work as long as they cut off at 4.2v, some good options are nitecore i2 or d2, xtar vp2 or the luc v4, the xtar and luc have more/better options on them.

The battery level indicator is when you turn your air on, if it has it, first there will be a blue'ish flash then either green, yellow, white or red depending on the charge level.

Edit: i normally get the colours mixed up so it might be green, white, yellow then red.
And all these chargers come in 2 or 4 bay versions

Thank you! As a follow up question, any aftermarket that you guys recommend? Anything that might give me some more run time or should I just stick to the arizer batts

 

[UnshavenFish]

Thank you! As a follow up question, any aftermarket that you guys recommend? Anything that might give me some more run time or should I just stick to the arizer batts

I'm in the UK and 90% of the batteries i buy are from a local shop (great guy that i trust 100%, i make pre-built coils for him to sell so know him well) I always recommend OEM Arizer as anything else i could recommend i could not give a reputable source, the other 10% i buy online are ones that are recommended by manufacturers, always direct or through authorised retailers for peace of mind.

A few pages back there was a post about some on eBay shipped from the US (there are restrictions on these kind of batteries for air travel) and they reported all was good.

Although IMO the only thing you will gain is a cheaper price, any performance improvement would be so small you probably wouldn't even notice, and the price over the life of the battery is for me not even worth thinking about, if say it only lasted a year an OEM would cost 3.5p per day (just to expand for those not in the UK there are 100p in £1, £1 is roughly $1.5 USD)

The battery thing has been ongoing for a while now and i think to sum it up, it depends on how you feel about it, if you understand how these kind of batteries can vary and what effect that could have and want to save a few £/$ then shop around, if your new to Li-Ion batteries and want to play it safe and use something thats been tested to work with the Air then stick with OEM Arizer.

 

[Ashish]

The battery thing has been ongoing for a while now and i think to sum it up, it depends on how you feel about it, if you understand how these kind of batteries can vary and what effect that could have and want to save a few £/$ then shop around, if your new to Li-Ion batteries and want to play it safe and use something thats been tested to work with the Air then stick with OEM Arizer.

What has become apparent to me, having read through pretty much all of this thread, is that getting non-OEM batteries for your AA is not a positive step. Sure, some might work, and you might save a few dollars, but in my not-so-humble opinion it simply isn't worth even a 1% chance that they may damage your unit, void the warranty, or (heaven forbid) go "boom" half-way through a relaxing session. Sure, we all perform risk-benefit analyses and subsequently take risks in any number of undertakings every single day; it's human nature and in many cases it saves us time/effort/money etcetera. When it comes to my relaxing almost-daily ritual of getting medicated, however, I prefer to take as few risks as possible because I really don't need any surprises when I'm high.

 

[bluenavey00]

Hello. I'm new here but have been reading from this site and learning from everyones advice to one another but had to register in order to quote this as it's so very true!!
Sorry to jump in and hijack the discussion but i've had my arizer air for one month now and haven't touched and other utensils since!
I am totally on board and don't have any desire to go back! FC INDEED
Big up to OF for being so concise and accurate.
Thank you.

Great news, I am glad to hear this

I am also in the same position, its been just over 3 months with my Air now and I have not combusted since. Enjoy the health benefits, I'm sure you will keep feeling better and better, both physically and mentally.

On another note, considering I have owned my first and only vape for 3 months now do I deserve to take the 'n00b' out my signature yet? What do you think guys?

FuckCombustion